Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Nathan:
The continual evasion by Nader and other Green supporters for the results of
their leadership and actions is incredibly distressing on that point.
Nathan, do all voters to the left of Calvin Coolidge belong to you Democrats by
devine right or something/ How
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Subject: [PEN-L:4150] Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?
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From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's not enough that the two-party machine has all the
money at its disposal and all
I quoted Hitchens:
It's not enough that the two-party machine has all the
money at its disposal and all the press and media, too. It still needs
courageous volunteers to ram its message home. These unctuous surrogates
seek to persuade us that, though we have no power, we can and should be
Sorry, I don't think you want to listen (and this has been the larger
problem all along) and I'd rather not continue in this tone. Signing off
for now.
PA
Why not be an adult, recognize that there is a big difference between
a Clinton-Gore EPA and a Bush-Cheney EPA, and admit you fucked
Face it: your faction fucked up bigtime. You thought that you could
demonstrate the mass voting power of the American left without
swinging the election to the right-wing candidate.
...and there's no contradition stating that Nader had every right to
stay 'till the end (and to have
G'day Ricardo,
You point out:
...and there's no contradition stating that Nader had every right to
stay 'till the end (and to have participated in the debates) and
concluding, if only at the last minute, that since Nader's campaign
was going nowhere, and since the Gore-Bush campaign was so
To demonstrate your immense weakness and inability to mobilize voters
while at the same time working against your own substantive political
positions is the biggest display of political incompetence I have
seen this fall, save for the way that Al Gore has run his campaign...
Bollocks, Brad.
.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Brad De Long [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:25 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:4088] Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?
If you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a
Bush-Cheny EPA
Brad,
I'm going to repeat my comments to Michael
Perelman earlier. I suspect that a Bush-Cheney
EPA will not be all that much worse than a Gore-
Lieberman one, although probably marginally so.
"Perhaps"? "Perhaps"?
And as I said, if you think the issues are important, then marginal
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the biggest display of political incompetence I have
seen this fall, save for the way that Al Gore has run his campaign...
(
CB: Do you think Gore should have stuck with the one what brought
him to the dance, Clinton ?
No. I think he should
In his series of pro-Gore flames [*], Brad wrote:
If you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a
Bush-Cheny EPA you need to have your brain overhauled.
One nice thing about the US election being over (and I really, really wish
it were) is that we won't have to read or
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From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's not enough that the two-party machine has all the
money at its disposal and all the press and media, too. It still needs
courageous volunteers to ram its message home. These unctuous surrogates
seek to persuade us that,
Nader and his supporters had the power to throw the election to
Bush. That
is very real power. I have frankly urged that since the Greens have
exercised that power, they should now take advantage of it to promote a
radical change in the electoral college in favor of ranked voting
or
Nathan:
The continual evasion by Nader and other Green supporters for the results of
their leadership and actions is incredibly distressing on that point. I far
prefer Carroll forthright joy in undercutting Gore -- at least that is taking
responsibility that others can evaluate and decide is
If you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a
Bush-Cheny EPA you need to have your brain overhauled.
Brad: Surely by now you have caught the point: people don't feel there is
ENOUGH of a difference
If the issues are that important, then even small differences are
Sorry, I don't think you want to listen (and this has been the larger
problem all along) and I'd rather not continue in this tone. Signing off
for now.
PA
PS I am not a faction
You shoot yourself in the foot and then look around for someone else to blame?
Why not be an adult, recognize that
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