Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-06 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:54 PM 6/6/00 -0400, you wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >><< Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the >> masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10. >> >> >>I was think

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-06 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the > masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10. >> > >I was thinking more of the 14th Amendment, due process, e

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-06 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated Tue, 6 Jun 2000 4:42:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "M A Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Justin, you have a way of telling me things I already know while not answering the real point, which is about your strange affection for the glorious 'C' especially the notably undemo

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-06 Thread M A Jones
Jones http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 4:12 AM Subject: [PEN-L:19920] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 > In a message dated 6/5/00 6:34:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, &

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 (fwd)

2000-06-06 Thread M A Jones
Thanks for the clarification, Mine, I'll bear it in mind. Mark Jones http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:54 AM Subject: [PEN-L:19914] Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader camp

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 (fwd)

2000-06-05 Thread md7148
>In a message dated 6/5/00 7:54:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Mark, > I would never put blacks, Indians, women and hispanics in the same >equation with bankers. they are the victim, not the oppresssor.. >Mine >> >Mine, you really are irony proof. Go syeep y

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 (fwd)

2000-06-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/5/00 7:54:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Mark, I would never put blacks, Indians, women and hispanics in the same equation with bankers. they are the victim, not the oppresssor.. Mine >> Mine, you really are irony proof. Go syeep yourself

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/5/00 6:34:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << discrete and insular minorities << protected by the "C" were/are who exactly? Blacks? American Indians? Women? Hispanics? Bankers? >> The phrase is from the famous (to Americal lawyers) footnote 4 of the 1

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10. >> I was thinking more of the 14th Amendment, due process, equal protection, that sort of t

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 (fwd)

2000-06-05 Thread md7148
Mark, I would never put blacks, Indians, women and hispanics in the same equation with bankers. they are the victim, not the oppresssor.. Mine >>>discrete and insular minorities << protected by the "C" were/are who >exactly? Blacks? American Indians? Women? Hispanics? Bankers? >Mark Jones >h

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread M A Jones
>>discrete and insular minorities << protected by the "C" were/are who exactly? Blacks? American Indians? Women? Hispanics? Bankers? Mark Jones http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >The comments about Jefferson and the Constitution are almost too silly to > >disc

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >The comments about Jefferson and the Constitution are almost too silly to >discuss. J was no great fan of the C, which he did not sign precisely because >of its comparative conservatism, And as for the anti-majoritarainsim od the >C, and especially the Bill of Rights, is

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread JKSCHW
What did I do to make you think I would disagree with this? --jks This distinction (reform through established channels vs. yelling in the streets) is a false dichotomy. The two are connected and interact with each other. >>

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread Jim Devine
Justin wrote: >So, if you accept that refiorms are good and necessary, you have to >support lobbuing for and otherwise trying to effect them through the >esrablished channels. Otherwise, you will be out in the streets yelling >for reforms that will be implemented, if at all, without your partic

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-04 Thread JKSCHW
Mark Jones has discovered that anything but the self-described express movement for the revolutionmary overthrow of capitalsim is a distraction; reforms that merely improve people's livesw ithin existing constrints are bad. Hey, Mark, why doesn't this distrction theorya pply to a movement for

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-04 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 00-06-03 21:11:11 EDT, you write: << The main point is that it wasn't an $85 per month furnished room. >be bought. If he stayed silent on no-fault, it was not because he was bribed, >but because there are serious consumerist arguments against it. There are, The proble

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-04 Thread M A Jones
EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 5:03 AM Subject: [PEN-L:19866] Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 > The political criticism of Nadar is valid, but the personal attack on him is > misguided and fundamentally irrelevant. > > Rod > > Louis Proyect wrote: > &

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-03 Thread Rod Hay
The political criticism of Nadar is valid, but the personal attack on him is misguided and fundamentally irrelevant. Rod Louis Proyect wrote: > >Yes, but not that much further. My parents, who lived on my dad's middle > >class income of about $25,000 a year back in those days, bought a $100,000

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-03 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/3/00 4:31:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I don't know about Washington, but where I live a $100,000 home is pretty >modest. (and that is Canadian dollars!) > >Rod $100,000 went further 25 years ago. >> Yes, but not that much further. My pa