Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-07 Thread Margaret Coleman
Interesting reuters piece -- just two comments, I think productivity figures are squishy at best (that's a technical term). In the last inventory report (about two weeks ago), inventories had begun to go down and the manufacturers index (napaam i think) show less than growth but it hadn't fallen.

Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-07 Thread Margaret Coleman
I agree, I think the only reason the newer layoffs are news is because they are talking better-paid, skilled workers. However, this week's unemployment application figures took a huge jump, so maybe we will end up in a real recession after all. I mean Georgie W has been BEGGING for one. mag

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-07 Thread Margaret Coleman
I don't think the law requires their announcement -- wall street does. The street interprets layoffs as corporations becoming more profit oriented -- that old lean and mean song we haven't heard since the early 1990s. maggie coleman Jim Devine wrote: > Doug writes: > >I looked at one of those

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-07 Thread Margaret Coleman
There is and there isn't a glut in fiber. For large corporations there probably is some sort of excess, but that is a small, small portion of the telecom industry. For instance, Manhattan south of Chambers Street probably has fiber going to most buildings, but small businesses outside a few m

Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-06 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Maggie Coleman writes, The unemployment rate fell by a tenth last month, instead of going up as everyone predicted. This is despite all the tech closings and lay offs. Anyone want to guess why? I think that the layoffs this time are amongst the white collar, skilled worke

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: >my impression is that the layoff numbers arise because the law >requires that layoffs be announced before they happen. Firms have an >incentive to exaggerate since an under-count will be criticized more >harshly (I don't know if there are legal penalties) and it scares >the

Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-05 Thread Jim Devine
Doug writes: >I looked at one of those layoff series (Ed Hyman's, not the more prominent >Challenger one) and it correlated with nothing - not employment, >unemployment, initial claims, or even the BLS's mass layoffs. They're >mainly PR aimed at Wall Street, I think. my impression is that the

Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Margaret Coleman wrote: >true -- a 1/10 decrease in one month could also be faulty >statistics. however, >the fact that the rate did not go up with all the announcements of >layoffs is a >surprise. maybe i'm getting brain washed by cnnfn. I looked at one of those layoff series (Ed Hyman's, n

Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Michael Perelman
Elstrom, Peter. 2001. "Telecom Meltdown." Business Week (23 April): pp. 100-10. 105: "The model for how to make a fortune in the new world of telecom was set by one oft-forgotten telephone company: MFS Communications Co. Led by James Q. Crowe, MFS laid telephone lines around major cities th

Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Margaret Coleman
In response to Doug, That's interesting that participation and labor force fell (well the two frequently, though not always, move together). Any guesses on why? (or explanations?) I'll have to go look up the most recent employment situation reports and read the demographics. I am truly curious

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Margaret Coleman
The best place to go to for a blow-by-blow, everything you ever wanted to know and were afraid to ask, definition of all the employment figures (unemployed, employed, unemployment, discouraged workers -- levels and rates) is www.bls.gov.  maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug wrote, > . .

Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Margaret Coleman
true -- a 1/10 decrease in one month could also be faulty statistics. however, the fact that the rate did not go up with all the announcements of layoffs is a surprise. maybe i'm getting brain washed by cnnfn. maggie coleman Jim Devine wrote: > At 09:55 PM 06/03/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >The

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Margaret Coleman
Yes, according to official bls definitions, institutionalized means mental institutions, jails, or any place where you might be incarcerated against your will. Employment statistics also omit military, students, anyone voluntarily unemployed (as in retired), and anyone who has not looked for a jo

Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Margaret Coleman
The Corporate and Telecom debt has been increasing steadily for the last decade. As Henwood's Wall Street book shows, the increase in corporate debt has risen far faster than the increase in consumer debt -- hard to imagine since consumer debt is so high. Telecom debt began when more and more

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Chris Brooke
>Jim Devine wrote: > >>question: doesn't non-institutionalized also mean "not in a mental >>institution" (and by that I don't mean a university)? This overlap between the language of "mental" and "academic" institutions is striking. "Sectioning" in the US involves dividing groups of undergradu

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread enilsson
Doug wrote, > . . .who are not inmates of > institutions (e.g., penal and mental facilities, homes for the aged).. Slightly fuller defintion (BLS Handbook on Methods): "The institutional population . . . consists of inmates of penal and mental institutions, sanitariums, and homes for the aged

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: >question: doesn't non-institutionalized also mean "not in a mental >institution" (and by that I don't mean a university)? Yup. Here's the official def: "Civilian noninstitutional population. Included are persons 16 years of age and older residing in the 50 States and the Di

Re: Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:58 PM 6/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>What's the difference between the EPR and the participation rate? > >EPR = employed/adult population. > >LFPR = (unemployed+employed)/adult population. > >Adult pop = noninstitutionalized (i.e., not jailed) and 16 and over. questi

Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >What's the difference between the EPR and the participation rate? EPR = employed/adult population. LFPR = (unemployed+employed)/adult population. Adult pop = noninstitutionalized (i.e., not jailed) and 16 and over. Doug

Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread christian11
>Because the U.S. labor force fell by 485,000. Employment (in the household survey) fell by about 252,000. The EPR fell by 0.1 percentage point to 63.9%, down from 64.5% in January. The participation rate fell by 0.3 points. What's the difference between the EPR and the participation rate?

Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-04 Thread Doug Henwood
Margaret Coleman wrote: >The unemployment rate fell by a tenth last month, instead of going up as >everyone predicted. This is despite all the tech closings and lay >offs. Anyone want to guess why? Because the U.S. labor force fell by 485,000. Employment (in the household survey) fell by abou

Re: Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-03 Thread Doyle Saylor
Hello Economists, Rob Schaap writes me in reply about where I got the figure of 700 billion for the Telecom debts. Sorry can't make the exact quote. I put it in an email to friends about a month ago. I recollect I saw it in the Lex column in the Financial Times. But I assume it can be look

Re: Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-03 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Maggie and Doyle, > Margaret Coleman briefly remarks, The unemployment rate fell by a tenth last month, >instead of going up as everyone predicted. This is despite all the tech closings and >lay offs. Anyone want to guess why? I think that the layoffs this time are amongst >the white

Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-03 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:55 PM 06/03/2001 -0500, you wrote: >The unemployment rate fell by a tenth last month, instead of going up as >everyone predicted. part of the problem is that month-to-month changes in the unemployment rate have a low signal-to-noise ratio. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.

Re: re: unemployment rate

2001-06-03 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Margaret Coleman briefly remarks, The unemployment rate fell by a tenth last month, instead of going up as everyone predicted. This is despite all the tech closings and lay offs. Anyone want to guess why? I think that the layoffs this time are amongst the white collar, ski