Re: affluenza?

2003-09-04 Thread Tom Walker
Kenneth Campbell wrote: You cannot let people have time... Yet I can think of nothing I would treasure more. According to an anonymous author writing in a pamphlet published in 1821: "After all their idle sophistry, there is, thank God! no means of adding to the wealth of a nation but by adding

Re: affluenza?

2003-09-04 Thread Kenneth Campbell
"Earned it" could mean many things. More immediately, it would mean you did your 4-hours. It was not "bestowed." Ken. -- CLARKE'S LAW: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke

Re: affluenza?

2003-09-04 Thread Eugene Coyle
How do I go about "earning it"? Gene Coyle Kenneth Campbell wrote: I wrote: You cannot let people have time... Yet I can think of nothing I would treasure more. Just to make sure I was clear, there... I do not mean the time one gets from calling in sick, or from gett

Re: affluenza?

2003-09-04 Thread Kenneth Campbell
I wrote: >You cannot let people have time... Yet I can think of >nothing I would treasure more. Just to make sure I was clear, there... I do not mean the time one gets from calling in sick, or from getting unemployment, or from welfare, or from being derelict... Nor do I mean the time one gets f

Re: affluenza?

2003-09-04 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Mike B) wrote: >Commdification has made consciousness cheap along with >everything else, most especially, our lives. Idle hands... idle hands... the devil's work results, every time, under any system. You cannot let people have time... Yet I can think of nothing I would treasure more. Ken. -- .

Re: affluenza?

2003-09-04 Thread Mike Ballard
ome on the left claim the indulgent materialism is > using up the > economy's resources while serious social problems > are left unsolved. > > Similarly, many economists argue that "affluenza" > has pushed too many > Americans deeply into debt and produced a saving

Re: affluenza?

2003-09-04 Thread Carrol Cox
"Devine, James" wrote: > > > By JEFF MADRICK > > THE booming economy of the 1990's spawned many a spurious piece of > conventional wisdom. One is that Americans' materialism has run amok. > > Americans from all walks of life, the story goes, are spending with > abandon on fancy and unnecessary prod

affluenza?

2003-09-04 Thread Devine, James
economy's resources while serious social problems are left unsolved. Similarly, many economists argue that "affluenza" has pushed too many Americans deeply into debt and produced a savings rate too low to sustain prosperity without the piling up of mountains of foreign debt. There

[PEN-L:12421] re: Affluenza/Running Out of Time

1997-09-17 Thread Brent McClintock, Prof. Economics
Given the discussion on the list re the Affluenza program, it's interesting to note the differences in the earlier Running Out of Time documentary (1994), also fronted by Scott Simon and produced by Oregon Public Broadcasting & KCTS/Seattle. I think Oregon PBS produced the

[PEN-L:12400] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Thad Williamson
>AAlso, thow yung women in the wshow, high school students, were >praised for rallying around anti-consumerism, after a visit to Mexico. The poor >Mexicans were poor but they were so gracious and seemed happy. Well, how they >would know that the poor Mexicans were happy is a mystery the sho

[PEN-L:12392] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread MIKEY
Friends, I want to support Louis's comments on the AFFLUENZA program. It was, to my wife and I, pretty superficial. Plus, a lot of attention was given to rightwing religius nuts from Colorado Springs who are preaching less consumerism and more god and family. Also, thow yung women i

[PEN-L:12389] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
ersonal choice rather than a *political* question. > >The show evoked themes found in UTNE reader and in Deep Ecology > >organizations. They are poor responses to the challenge we face. > > > >The problem with Affluenza is that it depicts an escape from the consumer > >tr

[PEN-L:12387] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread William S. Lear
On Tue, September 16, 1997 at 12:38:36 (-0700) Wojtek Sokolowski writes: >At 07:34 AM 9/16/97 -0700, Louis Proyect wrote, inter alia: >> >>The problem with Affluenza is that it depicts an escape from the consumer >>treadmill *within* capitalism. > >Playing a devil

[PEN-L:12383] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
voked themes found in UTNE reader and in Deep Ecology >organizations. They are poor responses to the challenge we face. > >The problem with Affluenza is that it depicts an escape from the consumer >treadmill *within* capitalism. Playing a devil's advocate: How exactly are the *polit

[PEN-L:12378] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis N Proyect wrote: > >The show tip-toed around the all important question of the capitalist >system. It made the need to reverse environmental degradation, >consumerism, etc. a personal choice rather than a *political* question. >The show evoked themes found in UTNE reader and in Deep Ecology

[PEN-L:12370] Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Louis N Proyect
On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Thad Williamson wrote: > PBS carried a one-hour, Pew Trust sponsored program called "Affluenza" > tonight about American consumerism. The first 45 minutes were quite good > though the last part on responses focussed solely on individualist > strategie