--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What made Soviet socialism . . . real existing
socialism was the legal system and ownership rights -
property rights, that prevented anything other than
means of consumption passing into the hands of
individuals. That is to say . . . means of production
could not pass i
In a message dated 8/14/2004 8:18:31 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>CB: When you say "abolish property" instead of "abolish private property" are you putting forth a different concept than the one that Marx , Engels and Marxists use ? Or just shorthand for what Marxists r
by Waistline2
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We have arrived at the very beginning of this process that abolishes
property . . . and not simply allows for a change in the form of property .
. . based on the revolution in the technological regime.
^^
CB: When you say "abolish property" instead of "abolish private
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CB: If they hadn't been doing something that was
building socialism
some kind of threat to capitalism , they wouldn't have
been in such
imminent
danger of being "defeated again". The reason
imperialism was especially
focussed on invading and conquering t
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CB: Are you saying that the Soviet people knew they
were really just
trying
to catch up with the West again ,and just used the
Communist
terminology to
cover it up or that they didn't realize what they were
really,
"pragmatically" doing ( simply trying t
In the past we had no fatherland, nor could we have had one. But now that we have overthrown capitalism and power is in our hands, in the hands of the people, we have a fatherland, and we will uphold its independence. Do you want our socialist fatherland to be beaten and to lose its independence?
(M.Hoover wins the door prize . . . The Task of Economic Executives 1931.)
1931 - It is sometimes asked whether it is not possible to slow down the tempo somewhat, to put a check on the movement. No, comrades, it is not possible ! The tempo must not be reduced! On the contrary, we must inc
1928 - At the same time we have around us a number of capitalist countries whose industrial technique is far more developed and up-to-date than that of our country. Look at the capitalist countries and you will see that their technology is not only advancing, but advancing by leaps and bounds, out
Carrol: Agreed, but that wasn't what Stalin said. (I'm going by memory here:
I
hope someone can find the exact quotation.) ...
^^
CB: Wait a minute, what you said was Stalin said that the USSR existed in a
capitalist sea.
The reference to capitalists seems to imply he was getting at the fact
by Carrol Cox
Agreed, but that wasn't what Stalin said. (I'm going by memory here: I
hope someone can find the exact quotation.) He talked about how the West
had beaten "us" repeatedly through Russian history: i.e., the whole was
in nationalist, not socialist, terms. The earlier defeats (and he n
Charles Brown wrote:
>
>
> CB: If they hadn't been doing something that was building socialism
> some kind of threat to capitalism , they wouldn't have been in such imminent
> danger of being "defeated again". The reason imperialism was especially
> focussed on invading and conquering the SU is th
by Chris Doss
Oh, I think a lot of Soviet policy was simply a
utilitarian, "how do we build up the country as
quickly as possible to overtake our enemoies?" thing.
Russia engages in these grandiose "catching up with
the West" adventures every couple of centuries or so.
It has succeeded twice, und
by michael a. lebowitz
I'm without notes but roughly, as comrade Stalin correctly stated in 1931,
we have 10 years in which to catch up or we will be defeated again.In
support of Chris' point, I don't recall this statement as having anything to
do with building socialism as such.
michael
Chris wrote:
>Russia engages in these grandiose "catching up with
>the West" adventures every couple of centuries or so.
What I have always enjoyed about Chris's posts about Russia is his love
of the populace...
Likewise, I do with North Americans...
Ken.
--
Since the whole affair had become o
Oh, I think a lot of Soviet policy was simply a
utilitarian, "how do we build up the country as
quickly as possible to overtake our enemoies?" thing.
Russia engages in these grandiose "catching up with
the West" adventures every couple of centuries or so.
It has succeeded twice, under Peter the Gre
Economics and law
by Charles Brown
13 August 2004 17:09 UTC
by Chris Doss
Mainly that was me writing off the cuff while trying
to meet a deadline and working through a hangover. It
wiould be better to say something like "the shape of
Soviet society was determined first and foremost by
the nee
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