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No, its garden-variety Pabloism.
war in Iraq...is very much a neocon agenda,
dominated by the need to get the oil and appease the Israelis. (as
if Kerry wasn't gung-ho to appease the Isrealis!)
^^
Next thing you know we'll be quoting the Protocols. Just kidding !
Charles
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Before getting to the point of actually being able to split the
Democratic and Republican Parties, we need an intermediate goal: do
what we can to make the next POTUS a weak president, rather than a
strong one. To do so, we need to decrease the shares of
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Before getting to the point of actually being able to split the
Democratic and Republican Parties, we need an intermediate goal: do
what we can to make the next POTUS a weak president, rather than a
strong one. To
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/07/04 1:25 AM
Before getting to the point of actually being able to split the
Democratic and Republican Parties, we need an intermediate goal: do
what we can to make the next POTUS a weak president, rather than a
strong one. To do so, we need to decrease the shares of
presidency, dems and conservative media had
already allowed bush to get out from under stigma of being 'his
fraudulency 2' (rutherford hayes was called 'his fraudulency' through
term after winning 'corrupt bargain' election of 1876)...
michael hoover
is
essential from the POV of the left in this particular US election -- what
the so-called Anybody but Bush sentiment represents in the popular
consciousness. Ali describes it as positive -- a point of some contention on
this and other left lists -- and that it offers the potential for further
advance
succinctly grasped what is
essential from the POV of the left in this particular US election -- what
the so-called Anybody but Bush sentiment represents in the popular
consciousness. Ali describes it as positive -- a point of some contention on
this and other left lists -- and that it offers the potential
I don't see any more reason to demonize ABB people than to demonize Nader people.
Both sides see themselves as promoting the left albeit by different routes.
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 09:05:05PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
Despite my problems with State Capitalist ideology, I feel much more of
Michael Perelman wrote:
I don't see any more reason to demonize ABB people than to demonize Nader people.
Both sides see themselves as promoting the left albeit by different routes.
I am sorry, Michael. This is not demonizing:
Frankly, I consider the ABB phenomenon to be almost unparalleled on the
Good people disagree on the Nader/Kerry decision. I think that we all know the
rationale for each choice. I don't think that either side comes out well, if you
only look at what some of their supporters have done -- denying Nader his right to
run through dirty tricks or cavorting with the right.
succinctly grasped what is
essential from the POV of the left in this particular US election -- what
the so-called Anybody but Bush sentiment represents in the popular
consciousness. Ali describes it as positive -- a point of some contention on
this and other left lists -- and that it offers
Louis Proyect on Tariq Ali:
this is Browderism raised to the level of art.
No, its garden-variety Pabloism.
war in Iraq...is very much a neocon agenda,
dominated by the need to get the oil and appease the Israelis. (as
if Kerry wasn't gung-ho to appease the Isrealis!)
TA: We're talking about the government which took the United States
to war. Had Gore been elected, he would have gone to war in
Afghanistan, but I doubt he would have gone to war in Iraq. This is
very much a neocon agenda, dominated by the need to get the oil and
appease the Israelis.
Washington
The south and the elections
By John Slaughter
The benchmark of American democracy since its inception has been
the vote. While the masses of the people who participated in the revolution of
1776 -- the workers fresh from the debtor's prisons of Europe, indentured
servants, farmers, slaves,
re-election since William Howard Taft
in 1912, while in 2000, the younger Bush became the first president
to be elected without winning a plurality of the popular vote since
Benjamin Harrison in 1888. The aftermath of 9/11 created transient
strength, but the essential weakness of the Bushes
Wages of Election-Year Rituals:
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/wages-of-election-year-rituals.html
Title: Just in time for the election?
WAR WITH CHINA: Just in time for the election?
Sailing Toward a
Storm in China
U.S. maneuvers could spark a war.
By Chalmers Johnson
LOS ANGELES
TIMES
July 15, 2004 Los Angeles Times -- Quietly and with
minimal coverage in the U.S. press, the Navy
sent by Women's Int'l League for Peace Freedom (WILPF)
URGENT:
Sign on to Call for UN Election Observers for the US Elections
Dear Colleagues,
On Thursday, July 1, 2004, eight members of the US Congress sent a
letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations asking for UN
oversight
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/30/04 9:27 PM
Voting official seeks process for canceling Election Day over terrorism
Friday, June 25, 2004
BY ERICA WERNER
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON - The government needs to establish guidelines for
canceling or rescheduling elections if terrorists strike the United
on behalf of Perelman, Michael
Sent: Wed 6/30/2004 6:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The presidential election and the Supreme Court
You are correct. Vietnam was also an undeclared war.
Michael
or simply organizes a police action.
jd
That's why Washington loves the rhetoric of the war on drugs and
the war on terrorism, casting the ostensible targets of military
force as crimes.
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/
* Bring Them Home Now!
Yes, and even when they are on the right side, it must be a war. War on Poverty, War
on Cancer, but no War
on War.
On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 11:04:46AM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
That's why Washington loves the rhetoric of the war on drugs and
the war on terrorism, casting the ostensible
I thought only Congress can declare war. It's in the Constitution.
(One of the main excuses of the ABB crowd for backing the pro-war, DLC,
Joe Lieberman wannabe John Kerry is that we need to reverse the
rightward drift of the Supreme Court. Leaving aside the question of John
Kerry announcing
You are right. Bush claims that Congress gave him the power, but in reality Congress
was not empowered according to the Constitution to adbicate that right.
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 09:13:31AM +0200, Gassler Robert wrote:
I thought only Congress can declare war. It's in the Constitution.
--
election and the Supreme Court
You are right. Bush claims that Congress gave him the power, but in reality
Congress
was not empowered according to the Constitution to adbicate that right.
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 09:13:31AM +0200, Gassler Robert wrote:
I thought only Congress can declare war
Title: election concern
Voting official
seeks process for canceling Election Day over terrorism
Friday, June 25, 2004
BY ERICA WERNER
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON - The government needs to establish guidelines for
canceling or rescheduling elections if terrorists strike the United
States again
From: Daniel Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I seem to remember from university days that the power of Congress to
decide
whether or not the USA is at war or not, is one that has repeatedly been
ignored by successive US Presidents ...
Hey, credit where it's due! This provision has been ignored by
(One of the main excuses of the ABB crowd for backing the pro-war, DLC,
Joe Lieberman wannabe John Kerry is that we need to reverse the
rightward drift of the Supreme Court. Leaving aside the question of John
Kerry announcing that he is amenable to the nomination of
ultraconservative judges,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/22/04 3:29 PM
Is the Nader campaign the best way to build the mass movements we need?
jd
no election campaign is 'best' way to build mass movements, they are too
periodic episodic, too narrowly focused, running a campaign 'to make a
point' (or points) is self-defeating
Yoshie writes: If the non-DP left ignore the presidential election while others are
paying attention, we simply help perpetuate the rhythm of US
politics: three years of protests, one year of electoral campaigns
for Democrats during which the gains made in the previous three years
are lost
that in international affairs Kerry is
the greater evil.
Is the Nader campaign the best way to build the mass movements we need? especially
considering the fact that Nader is going to run it?
Might it make more sense to simply ignore the presidential election (as Carrol's first
comment above
Devine, James wrote:
[clip]
Is the Nader campaign the best way to build the mass movements we need? especially
considering the fact that Nader is going to run it?
Might it make more sense to simply ignore the presidential election (as Carrol's
first comment above suggests), leaving
Jim wrote:
Is the Nader campaign the best way to build the mass movements we
need? especially considering the fact that Nader is going to run it?
Vote for Nader 2004 = Vote for Camejo 2008.
Might it make more sense to simply ignore the presidential election
(as Carrol's first comment above
German EU results compared to 1999
% total vote
CDU down from 48.7 to 44.5
SPD down from 30.7 to 21.5
Green upfrom 6.4 to 11.9
PDS upfrom 5.8 to 6.1
FDP upfrom 3.0 to 6.1
So PDS slightly consolidates its position while SPD has a further
severe fall, but presumably
Northern Ireland and Scotland only declared today partly for religious
reasons. Excluding the former where the parties are so different, the
aggregate vote for the rest of the UK broadly were in % with change
from 4 years ago
27 - 9 Conservatives
23 -5.4 Labour
16 + 9 UK Independence Party
15
Title: The Money Map
Thought some of you interested
in the U.S. presidential campaign might find this interesting.
Jayson
Funke
http://www.fundrace.org/moneymap.php
Democrat
vs. Republican
Looking at money
contributed
The problem of presidential election years for activists on the left
is not only that they tend to suck many activists' time and energy
into the self-defeating project of electing the perceived lesser evil
who turns against them but also that Democratic Party political
machines suck big money out
was RE: [PEN-L] Paul Felton: Open Letter to Progressive Democrats
Yoshie wrote: Unfortunately for them [anti-Naderists], that Kerry is Not Bush isn't
probably enough to get many people to become motivated to go to the ballot box and
vote for Kerry, since it is clear that Kerry supports most of
Taiwanese president Chen Shui-bian's controversial reelection, being
contested by the opposition, has left the islands business interests and
the Chinese government disgruntled, according to Business Week.
Chen narrowly defeated Kuomintang (KMT) leader Lien Chan on March 20,
following an
so I was supposed to do some public speaking in early May ...and I get
this letter:
Jim,
Well, the shadow of McCarthy still lingers. When your name and
description
was given by our sub-commitee on the Issues Forum to the overall
coordinating commitee,
so I was supposed to do some public speaking in early May ...and I get this letter:
Jim,
Well, the shadow of McCarthy still lingers. When your name and description
was given by our sub-commitee on the Issues Forum to the overall
coordinating commitee,
Todays Financial Times says the Bush administration is going through
the motions of negotiating with North Korea, and will push for economic
sanctions which could lead to war after the US election.
FT reporter Andrew Ward says the US needs to bring the Chinese and South
Koreans onboard, but both
educate themselves
politically and build an independent political movement. In fact, we won't
be able to build an independent political movement any time soon if we don't
act seriously to stop Bush's reelection. We need to participate effectively
even if we look at the election in its own narrow
Some useful information about the meaning of American democracy:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weblog/usa/0,13960,1057810,00.html
** EU scores steel victory over US **
The World Trade Organisation declares US tariffs on steel imports inconsistent with
free trade, in a major victory for the European Union.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/business/3256197.stm
E. Ahmet Tonak
Professor of Economics
Simon's Rock
The NDP are far from the ideal party of the left, but I do understand they work within certain constraints, and they are far better than the alternative. So, it is still nice to see then pull out a win in my beloved home province.
Troy
paul phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't give the
I didn't give the actual results. Here they are from the Globe and Mail
which headlined its article something like "NDP squeeze by in Saskatchewan"
If Bush had anything like this support ...
Paul Phillips
Economics,
University of Manitoba
(BA, MA, University of Saskatchewan!)
* Posted on Fri, Oct. 03, 2003
Republicans unsure of Bush's chances for 2004 election
By Ron Hutcheson and Steven Thomma
Knight Ridder Newspapers
CHUCK KENNEDY, KRT
President Bush speaks at the White House.
WASHINGTON - In a sharp reversal, Republicans who just months ago
daydreamed about
Does October Surprise mean anything?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that a snap-shot impression in political poll results says very
little, particularly as political variables are so much more prone to
volatility. Therefore, I think it is always important to look at the trend
in polling results over time, and consider what specific intervention would
believe thomas ferguson and joel rogers coined phrase 'hidden election'
to describe early
fundraising...
for what it's worth, dems indicate inefficiency of multiple candidates
seeking nomination even by standards of money-driven process,
collectively, they've raised about $58m... michael hoover
U.S. working for early elections in Venezuela
Reuters, 12.20.02, 1:26 PM ET
By Pablo Bachelet
WASHINGTON20 (Reuters) - The United States is still quietly pushing
for an early election in Venezuela, beset by a power struggle and
national strike, despite publicly backing off the idea, a source
* Mass abstentions nullify Serbian election result
By Paul Bond and Tony Robson
21 October 2002
Described by one observer as an election that never was, the
failure of the Serbian presidential elections to produce a result
offers a damning commentary on the record of the Western-supported
At 09/11/02 21:36 -0500, Thad Williamson
wrote:
FWIW, there is no parallel group to the DLC within the Republican Party
arguing with significant influence that the way to win elections is to be
moderate. Instead they are running, for the most part, on a hard right
agenda, and winning.
In
Title: RE: [PEN-L:32053] Re: Re: Re: election question
Thad Williamson writes:If the progressive wing of the Dems, such as it is, is ever to reclaim the party they will have to establish a propaganda machinery to match what the DLC and related institutions do.
maybe, but we should avoid
Title: RE: election question
Doug writes: Someone on the Progressive Sociologists list ... said that of 102 Dem House members who voted against the war, 100 were re-elected - a higher rate than the pro-war crew.
isn't there some self-selection here? that is, isn't it likely that those Dems
agreed...what I mean is a machinery for generating bolier-plate analyses
in rapid-fire fashion combined with top notch PR capacity; but for
something like to work you do have to make a trade-off between depth of
analysis and ability to get SOMETHING out there in a timely manner. It's
not the kind
Michael Perelman wrote:
The repugs don't need something like a DLC.
There is an RLC - moderate Reps worried that the hard right GOP is
alienating the precious swing voters who tout a fiscally
conservative, socially inclusive...common sense message. See
http://www.rlcnet.org/.
Doug
Devine, James wrote:
Doug writes: Someone on the Progressive Sociologists list ... said
that of 102 Dem House members who voted against the war, 100 were
re-elected - a higher rate than the pro-war crew.
isn't there some self-selection here? that is, isn't it likely that
those Dems who
Did any Democrat suffer any harm in the election from moving the teeniest
smidgen to the left? Did any do any better than expected from moving to
the right?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Perelman wrote:
Did any Democrat suffer any harm in the election from moving the teeniest
smidgen to the left? Did any do any better than expected from moving to
the right?
Someone on the Progressive Sociologists list, not the most dazzling
venue, said that of 102 Dem House members
I wonder what 2 lost their bids.
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 04:10:24PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Did any Democrat suffer any harm in the election from moving the teeniest
smidgen to the left? Did any do any better than expected from moving to
the right?
Someone
Some people think Wellstone did.
Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Did any Democrat suffer any harm in the election from moving the teeniest
smidgen to the left? Did any do any better than expected from moving to
the right?
Someone on the Progressive Sociologists list
Someone quickly report Gene to Nicholas Kristof. He has gone
conspiracist!
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 01:40:15PM -0800, Eugene Coyle wrote:
Some people think Wellstone did.
Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Did any Democrat suffer any harm in the election from moving
according to the Democratic Leadership Council-types, if a Democrat,
centrist or progressive, loses an election it's because they were too
liberal. If a centrist Dems wins election it's because they were centrist.
If a progressive Dem wins election it's in spite of being progressive. In
short
-types, if a Democrat,
centrist or progressive, loses an election it's because they were too
liberal. If a centrist Dems wins election it's because they were centrist.
If a progressive Dem wins election it's in spite of being progressive. In
short no matter what the outcome is, these people
--- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wonder what 2 lost their bids.
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 04:10:24PM -0500, Doug
Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Did any Democrat suffer any harm in the
election from moving the teeniest
smidgen to the left? Did any do any better
Yup.
Joanna
At 08:10 PM 11/06/2002 -0800, you wrote:
Greetings Economists,
The democrats lost the election.
If the democrats can't win elections why vote for them? Does that mean the
Republicans represent working people? No. Obviously this is what the left
can build a movement around
Greetings Economists,
The democrats lost the election.
If the democrats can't win elections why vote for them? Does that mean the
Republicans represent working people? No. Obviously this is what the left
can build a movement around.
The democratic party is now vulnerable to the left
The economy provides the left with the means to
reach the masses. The war
provides a means for the left to reach the
masses. The disintegration of
the democrats provides a means to reach the
masses.
That is what I think is obvious about this
election.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
Yes, yes and yes
Final result: AKP (Islamists) got 361 and CHP (turd-wayists) got
177 seats in a 550 seats parliament. The remaining 12 seats went
to independents. Islamists (but not fundamentalists) will form
the government. Among other things, this is one more nail in the
coffin of the turd-way, in particular,
region.
In other parts of Iraq, though, the election bandwagon is rolling on.
Behind the banners and slogans, however, there is little excitement in the
streets where many Iraqis are fighting daily battles for survival. After
years of war and sanctions, their emotions are of weariness
I suspect that the US government demanded the head of the German justice
minister on a plate. Bush refused to take a telephone call from Schroeder,
and extraordinarily, on the very day of voting, the justice minister was
forced to indicate that she would probably be resigning, for making a
postwar election Sunday, after a
campaign that focused on fears of a war with Iraq and unleashed
anti-American rhetoric.
With 99.7 percent of the vote counted, a jubilant Schroeder
appeared arm-in-arm with Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer of the
Greens party, the partner in his governing coalition
Schroeder, whose outspoken defiance against war with Iraq was
credited with giving him a late-push in the tight campaign, said
he won't back down. He has insisted he would not commit troops
for a war even if the United Nations ( news - web sites) backs
military action.
(do they usually send
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29577] Re: war/election bet
i don't know if I said this, but the bet was with the other Michael, who doesn't want to bite (or drink).
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
-Original Message-
From: Michael Pollak [mailto:[EMAIL
Title: war/election bet
RE: [PEN-L:29564] Re: Re: Re: production realization
Michael, I bet you that there will be no war against Iraq before the November election. If there is, I'll give you a full case of the best carrot juice. (I'd give you single-malt scotch, in honor of Mark Jones
On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Devine, James wrote:
Michael, I bet you that there will be no war against Iraq before the
November election. If there is, I'll give you a full case of the best
carrot juice.
Yecch! How about 50 bucks?
Of course, we need to define war. I'll let you do
that there will be no war against Iraq before the
November election. If there is, I'll give you a full case of the best
carrot juice.
Yecch! How about 50 bucks?
Of course, we need to define war. I'll let you do it and then decide
whether to keep the bet or not. It's got to be more than a couple
To Jim Devine,
Drinking a case of carrot juice before it spoils would probably turn me
orange.
I can see what the point of a war in Iraq would be after October. The
actual battle couldn't give as much of a Keynesian boost to the economy as
beefing up Star Wars.
Surely the statements by
An update on the final New Zealand election result.
Labour has formed a coalition with the PCP (foregone conclusion) with
the support in confidence and supply of the economic right/moral
conservative United Future Party outside the government. The Greens are
signing some kind of agreement
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill,
Could you give us the lowdown on the recent election results.
From the paltry news we get here I understand Labour was just
short of a majority and was expected to form a coalition with the
Greens and one other party which I had not heard of.
It is interesting
Madelaine Bunting is absolutely wrong. The crisis in Europe is not one of
identity. It is CRISIS: growing unemployment, growing job insecurity,
growing sanitary degradation, growing economic desertification of large
portions of territories, dying little and middle provincial towns.
Maastricht and
Myth and malice
Le Pen taps into the growing crisis of identity in European politics. How
will the EU respond?
Madeleine Bunting
Monday May 6, 2002
The Guardian [U.K.]
Kiss goodbye to those comforting illusions that Jean-Marie Le Pen's success
in the first round of the French presidential
Election frenzy begins to take hold
April 26, 2002, Turkish Daily News
The Motherland Party has asked for an amendment to the elections
law -- a development that Turks must live with before almost each
and every parliamentary election
By Kemal Balci
The probability of an early election has
G'day all,
Well, John Howard's
social-conservative-yet-economically-neo-liberal-zealot-yet-spending-whatever-marginal-seats-require
outfit walked shamelessly into an election with nothing but a firm conviction
to keep Afghan and Iraqi refugees off our blessed shores - it was all they
went
http://www.newcomm.org/party/partyplain.htm
http://www.newcomm.org/party/appendixB.htm
7:10am London
As the voting booths open this morning it is hard to predict the result of
the election despite opinion polls consistently reporting a large Labour
lead, because of the likelihood that many people will not vote.
New Labour deliberately avoids appealing to sectarian divisions
Chris Burford writes:
New Labour deliberately avoids appealing to sectarian divisions between
working people.
=
MK: Surely you mean New Labour deliberately avoids appealing to working
people? One noticeable feature of New Labour literature over the years has
been the repeated reference
Chris Burford reports:
Today significantly the TImes report as their main headline Hague Turns
Left to avoid a Labour Landslide. This is important because it shows a
shift in how politics are perceived in the battle between the main parties.
It is a sign that after the election the centre
Today significantly the TImes report as their main headline Hague Turns
Left to avoid a Labour Landslide. This is important because it shows a
shift in how politics are perceived in the battle between the main parties.
It is a sign that after the election the centre of gravity of UK politics
that still provides most of its income.
How often has trade unionism been mentioned in this election campaign? I
have the fingers of one hand available for anyone who wishes to count and I
can promise that you will not need to use them all. Even the Tories, having
spent so many years invoking the spectre
, but
he got it right when he described the public mood during the general
election campaign as not apathy, but antipathy.
Every day there is further proof that people are disgusted not by politics
but by the style and message adopted by the main party leaders (including
the Liberal Democrat party, which
since there was some interest in kerala and india in general,
i thought this might be of interest:
Good News for Communists in Indian State Elections
http://news.lycos.com/headlines/World/article.asp?docid=RTINTERNATIONAL-INDIA-ELECTIONS-DCdate=20010510
--ravi
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Subject: H-ASIA: Kerala Assembly Election Database WWW
H-ASIA
April 15, 2001
World wide web resource: Kerala Assembly Election Database
***
From: T.Matthew Ciolek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Asian Studies WWW Monitor: early Apr
from my colleague Judy Ancel at the Institute for Labor Studies
The Real Face of Worker Rights Under New Fox Government: Gangster Unions
Union Election in Rio Bravo Terrorizes Workers
On Friday, March 2nd in a government-run union
Matt wrote:
from my colleague Judy Ancel at the Institute for Labor Studies
The Real Face of Worker Rights Under New Fox Government: Gangster Unions
Union Election in Rio Bravo Terrorizes Workers
After ten years, I finally allowed my
I apologize to those of you who don't live in the U.S. (but must live under
it) for the following. At least those who aren't yanquis can laugh at our
plight.
"Curiosity was framed. Ignorance killed the cat."
Among the more directly Bush stuff is the following:
"I survived th
My favorite isn't directly election applicable, but certainly related
considering the new administration:
"Ignorance Is Bliss Until You Get Pregnant." maggie coleman
Jim Devine wrote:
I apologize to those of you who don't live in the U.S. (but must live under
it) for the following
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