hash => {
field structure_id => match qr{^ (? STRUCT
\d+ ) $}x;
field type => 'dolmen',
field material => 'concrete',
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first argument (and in $_) and the sub should return
a boolean value.”) would be good, too.
I’d be glad to write the docs if I knew the answers to the questions and the
zen of what to use when.
As a newbie to Test2, I’d really like to start using it as much as possible,
but I’m also afraid of screwing up existing tests because I use a new tool
incorrectly.
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docs that explains the differences between the two.
Anyone else have troubles with these two functions? Or other gotchas where new
features aren’t what people switching from Test::More might expect?
Andy
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I don’t like the name bool_eq() (“booleans are equal”) but it was the best I
could come up with.
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t2::Suite. I think that will
help future Test2::Tools writers.
So those are my high-level thoughts.
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rd party module.
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er?
Do we have an FAQ started for things like this? If not, I assume it would be
good to start one, and if so, then where should I start it?
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Mark Stosberg wrote:
> I'd like to have a Mechanize that has both the testing functions, and
> also JavaScript support, which the WWW::Scripter sub-class has.
Seems to me even better would be to fold WWW::Scripter's JS support into Mech
itsel
nch of wrappers and some convenience functions.
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eally seeing your point.
There was no point. I wasn't debating. It was a question, asking for
information.
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On Jan 18, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Mark Keating wrote:
> The hackathon site is up, we are looking for sponsors and attendees.
What made you put it up at a new domain, rather than qa.perl.org? I was
surprised.
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oking for Test::Output.
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Output/
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top energy intended. I just wanted to provide a counter
viewpoint from a potential customer.
I don't want to have another module prereq. I'd probably just do the cut &
paste into my t/00-load.t.
Carry on!
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not installed permanently on their system.
test_requires is Module::Build only, right? I don't use Module::Build.
Even if I did, I don't think I'd require the user to go through a download and
temporary build of AutoBailout.pm just to remove boilerplate.
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As a module author, I would not require a user to install AutoBailout.pm just
to remove boilerplate in my t/00-load.t
But that's just me.
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::Next::VERSION,
Perl $], $^X" );
it sounds like we're saying that the use_ok() doesn't help at all, and I might
as well write
use App::Ack;
use App::Ack::Repository;
use App::Ack::Resource;
use File::Next;
diag( "Testing App::Ack $App::Ack::VERSION, File::Next $File::Next::VERSION,
Perl $], $^X" );
Agreed?
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> --
> ROCKS FALL! EVERYONE DIES!
> http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05032002.shtml
>
I think we've found our correct non-loading module behavior right there.
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So is there ANY legit use for use_ok()?
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) ought to die if it fails. But then we might as well not
wrap our use in use_ok().
Is there a case when we DO want to use use_ok()?
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On Apr 6, 2012, at 7:46 PM, James E Keenan wrote:
> Could someone post a summary of what was done/not done at this year's QA
> hackathon in Paris (http://2012.qa-hackathon.org/qa2012)?
I've posted a couple of links on @perlbuzz already.
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rather than saying to "just" do this workaround. If we always took that
approach, then we would never have prove in the first place.
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they could go live.
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ack 2.0.
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This whole SourceHandler looks much more like the Right Way To Do It.
I wish Mr. Armstrong were around for discussion.
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ing because now we're passing around an array
ref. But I'm working on the guts to handle it all.
My concern was not about handling command line arguments, but about all the
internals, and what I might break that is some sort of defined API that I don't
know about.
xoa
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hat to Andy A. and Steve
> P.).
I've got a dispatch script that runs either .t under perl or .phpt under PHP.
Basically I've been running:
prove --exec='/home/alester/smoke/bin/smoke-dispatch' --ext=.t
and it's been just fine. It just never gets called
27;t want to make this a CYJ.
> But then you'll need to write a PHP handler. Brief intro:
>
>
> http://www.justatheory.com/computers/programming/perl/tap-parser-sourcehandler.html
And that's fine, I don't mind doing that. I wrote a Test::Harness::PHP for the
old 2.x one.
But yeah, if this is just a matter of 'ext=s+', then who can make that change
and push it out?
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On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Matt Heusser wrote:
> Is there a way to do prove -dont-actualy-execute-anything-just-input --file
> pregeneratedTAPinput.txt
>
> ?
>
> I just want the summary features.
prove --exec=/bin/cat tap.txt
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fold back,
but this feature missing makes those I'd convert to prove very sad.
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ong.
Now requires Test::LongString 0.12.
t/put_ok.t now passes, but with a handful of warnings. Help in figuring
out why would be appreciated.
[INTERNALS]
Hoisted common code out of get_ok, post_ok, etc.
[DOCUMENTATION]
Updated copyright and licensing information.
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front if
done_testing() replaced no_plan or worked with it.
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Result: FAIL
"Looks like you failed 1 test of 2 run". I guess that it's counting
done_testing() as a test in itself, but that doesn't seem to be
right. Is that intentional?
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-
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to be "no, there's nothing that is general
purpose enough for what you want." Maybe something like CruiseControl
will do it, I don't know.
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d the two.
xoxo,
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and kisses,
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ear path to the differing
item
- Has multiple output modes: YAML, msbuild-friendly, terse
- Supports testing of "internal" classes and methods
The project home is at http://code.google.com/p/taps-testing.
>>
Thanks in advance and thanks for your time.
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On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Andy Lester wrote:
Second point: Should tests 3 and 6 pass? Being unnumbered?
Yes, that's by design (or at least happy historical accident).
But "ok 0" should certainly fail, right?
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ok 9
ok 10
ok 11
The test number is 0, and yet, it passes as well.
I ask all of this because we have what should be failing tests in
Rakudo that are passing because of what seems to me TAP that should
fail.
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On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:23 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:
people see Perl 6 as an opportunity to rethink things.
Except that Perl 6 isn't changing TAP.
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exaggerating. The horse is dead.
Also, Hitler.
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ny others do as well.
Perhaps I'm being unclear. I do not find either 'no_plan' or 'plan'
to
be useful in their current state.
Yes, but many others do.
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ting that many people use and rely
on.
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The daily email is fantastic. So much easier to read, to see what is
good and what isn't, and to ignore what I don't care about (Yes, I
know I can turn off specific platforms and distros too)
Thanks very much to all of you.
xoxo,
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e. Oh well. :-/
To you it's the side note. To me, and others, it is the key issue.
Flailing attempts at fixing Kwalitee are not worth alienating current
and future contributors.
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ests.
Again, Salve, please understand that the vast majority of humans do
not divorce their feelings from their work, as much as you may see
that as a "problem."
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n seeing
his or her module on the list, is going to go and modify the
distribution? The chances of that are miniscule * tiny.
Most of all, what problem are you trying to solve? I suggest that low-
Kwalitee modules on the CPAN pose no problem whatsoever.
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se metrics, please file a bug report.)
Oh, come on Eric, I'm proud of TP (which is really brian's) and TPC!
/me goes to cry.
Tito, hand me a tissue.
xoxo,
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ith someone who is an unpaid
volunteer, working on his projects and contributing to the CPAN, and
you'll get that horse to walk away and go somewhere else, or just not
bother uploading code.
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t a way to encourage volunteers to work on
projects.
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;
Really, does anyone think these ideas through?
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.org/highscores/hall_of_shame
A beautiful point, sir.
I kiss you!
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re watching your code, and if you'd like
to follow our monitoring of your code, go here, and if you want
messages all the time, you can do such-and-such."
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On Sep 5, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
You know, a "hello" that doesn't start with "FAIL!"
Yes, beautiful. We need to remember that not everyone is a grizzled
veteran.
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ere.
What they do need permission to do is send me the mass mail, and
fortunately that's what's going to happen.
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On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:36 PM, David Golden wrote:
I will be changing Test::Reporter to stop all author CC'ing which will
take effect when/if we convince existing testers to upgrade.
Thank you, sir.
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ch certain criteria or else we will send you mass email
about it"?
Am I the only one looking at this from the point of view of others?
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different opinions?
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we're not preventing people from uploading anything, but we're
punishing them for not bending to the whims of the CPAN Testers ideals.
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There is far too much bile floating in this thread considering that I
> believe we all have a shared interest in the quality of our code.
That "quality" slider is long and multidirectional.
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> I'd hate to lose those in my email because other people don't want to
> filter their mail.
I'd hate to get spammed because other people don't want to sign up to
receive them.
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l their friends and they tell their
friends, and passing a certain batter of CPAN Testers tests
consistently is a badge of honor.
I want the Ruby guys go "holy shit, I wish we had something like that."
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what we're
doing and dammit, you should like it!"
It is a problem of attitude. Who is serving who? Who is the customer?
xoxo,
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Perl version 5.6.1," we're told how
full of shit we are.
Why should I release my software on CPAN if part of the price of entry
is being spammed and told what I should be doing?
Why is the personal side of this being entirely missed? We are not
robots here. We are humans.
xoxo,
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saying "I would like
it if..."
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s job. A fail is something
that
should be fixed, period, regardless of the number of them.
According to who? Who's to say what my job as an author is?
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me as reaching out to the base of users and authors
about what CPAN Testers should be, to find out if it's useful.
Certainly when I've said I find certain aspects of it unuseful I've
been told I was wrong.
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modules are the best in that, and these 10 are the
worst. THAT would be something.
xoxo,
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On Sep 2, 2008, at 3:41 PM, David Cantrell wrote:
Can the cpan-testers please get a dedicated list that is not perl-qa?
It's called [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's great. So can this all be taken over there, please?
Thanks,
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Can the cpan-testers please get a dedicated list that is not perl-qa?
It's frustrating that so much of the perl-qa traffic is about CPAN
Testers, a project that I'm not particularly interested in because
they are not at all interested in me.
Thanks,
xoxo,
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On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:55 PM, David Cantrell wrote:
Helpful hint: there's a difference between getting your name listed on
an obscure web page and a reward.
A reward would be something like a bar of chocolate, or a pay rise.
Depends on who you are.
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On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:36 AM, Ovid wrote:
Why? If we want other extensions, stripping them is probably bad.
We definitely want other extensions. I have a pending project that
relies on running .t and .phpt next to each other.
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diag.
xoxo,
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of my great "I
want to use Perl stuff to test my PHP code" push a few years ago.
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t I've been
seeing.
Lovely. Let me know if I can help. (I had lunch with Brian Aker
today; he
wanted some independent review from someone from a very different
but similar
world.)
Review of what? The plan to TAPify it?
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then they get diffed. No granularity.
I'm going to convert them to emit TAP, so we can use Test::Harness and
other standard tools to analyze the results.
The colonization continues.
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more interested in human commentary.
Counts of who uses a given product puts the Britney Spears as the
highest quality musical artist.
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Note that nowhere in here does the word "user" appear.
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on that so that I am prepped for OSCON BOFing
on it.
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s have installed the dist (e.g. a hook in the
cpan client or a nightly/weekly crawl of @INC.)
As an aside, all of this is what we're talking about over on
rethinking-cpan.
xoxo,
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d) is more relevant than someone who
doesn't?
Our little echo chamber is not some hallowed hall that indicates
programming wisdom.
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swell? If CPANTS let us create profiles so we
could say "I care about this, I don't care about that." To me, the re
'taint' data point is a pretty cool idea, but that's just 'cause I
love taint.
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oorly tested logic, essentially stopped development a long time
ago because to quote the founder, Ivan Moore, in a comment to me "so
few sites are into unit testing enough to care about perfecting their
tests."
Maybe he can't look beyond Java?
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e, to discuss.
http://groups.google.com/group/rethinking-cpan
I welcome your thoughts, discussions, and ideas.
Thanks,
xoxo,
Andy
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ce-to-cpan.html
xoxo,
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mately, I think this is where all "how do we make CPAN easier to
use" discussions are leading. The focus needs to change from the
tactical ("Let's have reviews") to the strategic ("How do we get the
proper modules/solutions in the hands of the users that want them.")
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cpanreviews.shlomi.com could be will help others visualize what you're
discussing. $picture == @words[0..999].
I think it's far more useful to talk about these human issues first.
The technical answers will fall out of the requirements that get
created.
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Some interesting ideas for how the Ruby folks are now doing their unit
testing.
http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2008/02/assert2.html
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http://log.perl.org/2008/02/no-more-email-d.html
Well I guess that settles that. :)
xoxo,
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7;baz';
or
use Foo::Bar qw( baz quux );
My regex will miss those latter two. Mr. Armstrong's regex is safer.
xoxo,
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On Feb 7, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Andy Armstrong wrote:
ack -h '^use\s+\w+' | perl -pe 's/^use\s+(\w+(?:::\w+)*).*/$1/' |
sort -u
Great minds think alike, except that you don't need to be doing that
Perl stuff. The --output flag for ack is your friend.
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A cautionary tale of why we must be very careful doing tests against
live systems.
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Ive-Got-The-Monkey-Now.aspx
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My personal favorite... rats!
http://www.apopo.org/
No discussion of minesweeping may omit Minesweeper: The Movie.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1770138
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someone's module is
likely to be seen as insulting, if not by the person who you're
responding to, then by someone watching thinking "Hmmm, maybe I won't
released my work publicly 'cause I don't want someone saying 'yuck' to
my work."
I apologize
.
I think this wins the Least Helpful Response To Someone Who Has
Provided A New Module For Everyone To Use. Bravo!
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, and we're
still working on making a monolithic prove.
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or me.
My plan is to record the order in which the tests were most recently
run and to be able to use that as the order this time too. That OK?
Yes, thank you.
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t like the idea of basing it on a given
seed. I want to be able to know state about the tests that have run,
the order they were in, etc, without having to go through prove to
generate the sequence for me.
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