Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

modules are the best in that, and these 10 are the worst. THAT would be something. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

me as reaching out to the base of users and authors about what CPAN Testers should be, to find out if it's useful. Certainly when I've said I find certain aspects of it unuseful I've been told I was wrong. xoa -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

s job. A fail is something that should be fixed, period, regardless of the number of them. According to who? Who's to say what my job as an author is? -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

saying "I would like it if..." -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

Perl version 5.6.1," we're told how full of shit we are. Why should I release my software on CPAN if part of the price of entry is being spammed and told what I should be doing? Why is the personal side of this being entirely missed? We are not robots here. We are humans. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

what we're doing and dammit, you should like it!" It is a problem of attitude. Who is serving who? Who is the customer? xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

l their friends and they tell their friends, and passing a certain batter of CPAN Testers tests consistently is a badge of honor. I want the Ruby guys go "holy shit, I wish we had something like that." xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

> I'd hate to lose those in my email because other people don't want to > filter their mail. I'd hate to get spammed because other people don't want to sign up to receive them. xoa -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

There is far too much bile floating in this thread considering that I > believe we all have a shared interest in the quality of our code. That "quality" slider is long and multidirectional. xoa -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

we're not preventing people from uploading anything, but we're punishing them for not bending to the whims of the CPAN Testers ideals. xoa -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

different opinions? -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

ch certain criteria or else we will send you mass email about it"? Am I the only one looking at this from the point of view of others? xoa -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

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Re: What do you want? (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality)

On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:36 PM, David Golden wrote: I will be changing Test::Reporter to stop all author CC'ing which will take effect when/if we convince existing testers to upgrade. Thank you, sir. -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

ere. What they do need permission to do is send me the mass mail, and fortunately that's what's going to happen. -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: s/FAIL/welcome basket/

On Sep 5, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Eric Wilhelm wrote: You know, a "hello" that doesn't start with "FAIL!" Yes, beautiful. We need to remember that not everyone is a grizzled veteran. -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: s/FAIL/welcome basket/

re watching your code, and if you'd like to follow our monitoring of your code, go here, and if you want messages all the time, you can do such-and-such." -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee (was Re: Tested File-Find-Object-0.1.1 with Class::Accessor not installed)

.org/highscores/hall_of_shame A beautiful point, sir. I kiss you! -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee (was Re: Tested File-Find-Object-0.1.1 with Class::Accessor not installed)

; Really, does anyone think these ideas through? -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

t a way to encourage volunteers to work on projects. -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

ith someone who is an unpaid volunteer, working on his projects and contributing to the CPAN, and you'll get that horse to walk away and go somewhere else, or just not bother uploading code. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

se metrics, please file a bug report.) Oh, come on Eric, I'm proud of TP (which is really brian's) and TPC! /me goes to cry. Tito, hand me a tissue. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

n seeing his or her module on the list, is going to go and modify the distribution? The chances of that are miniscule * tiny. Most of all, what problem are you trying to solve? I suggest that low- Kwalitee modules on the CPAN pose no problem whatsoever. xoa -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

ests. Again, Salve, please understand that the vast majority of humans do not divorce their feelings from their work, as much as you may see that as a "problem." -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

e. Oh well. :-/ To you it's the side note. To me, and others, it is the key issue. Flailing attempts at fixing Kwalitee are not worth alienating current and future contributors. -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Hooray for the new CPAN Testers

The daily email is fantastic. So much easier to read, to see what is good and what isn't, and to ignore what I don't care about (Yes, I know I can turn off specific platforms and distros too) Thanks very much to all of you. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => [EM

Re: Perl 6 and Test.pm's skip() function

ting that many people use and rely on. xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Perl 6 and Test.pm's skip() function

ny others do as well. Perhaps I'm being unclear. I do not find either 'no_plan' or 'plan' to be useful in their current state. Yes, but many others do. -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Let us stop rehashing plans

exaggerating. The horse is dead. Also, Hitler. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Let us stop rehashing plans

On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:23 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote: people see Perl 6 as an opportunity to rethink things. Except that Perl 6 isn't changing TAP. -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

prove is lying to me

ok 9 ok 10 ok 11 The test number is 0, and yet, it passes as well. I ask all of this because we have what should be failing tests in Rakudo that are passing because of what seems to me TAP that should fail. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: prove is lying to me

On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote: Andy Lester wrote: Second point: Should tests 3 and 6 pass? Being unnumbered? Yes, that's by design (or at least happy historical accident). But "ok 0" should certainly fail, right? xoa -- Andy Lester =>

Fwd: Non-Perl TAP

ear path to the differing item - Has multiple output modes: YAML, msbuild-friendly, terse - Supports testing of "internal" classes and methods The project home is at http://code.google.com/p/taps-testing. >> Thanks in advance and thanks for your time. -- cheers, Frank van

Re: Counting tests, vi vs. emacs, and abortion

and kisses, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Counting tests, vi vs. emacs, and abortion

d the two. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Continuous Integration for Perl

to be "no, there's nothing that is general purpose enough for what you want." Maybe something like CruiseControl will do it, I don't know. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance

Fwd: Test::Harness::TAP included in the Softpedia Linux software database

- Softpedia - the encyclopedia of free software downloads http://www.softpedia.com/ -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance

done_testing() and test counts

Result: FAIL "Looks like you failed 1 test of 2 run". I guess that it's counting done_testing() as a test in itself, but that doesn't seem to be right. Is that intentional? xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance

Re: done_testing() and test counts

front if done_testing() replaced no_plan or worked with it. xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance

Fwd: CPAN Upload: P/PE/PETDANCE/Test-WWW-Mechanize-1.26.tar.gz

ong. Now requires Test::LongString 0.12. t/put_ok.t now passes, but with a handful of warnings. Help in figuring out why would be appreciated. [INTERNALS] Hoisted common code out of get_ok, post_ok, etc. [DOCUMENTATION] Updated copyright and licensing information. -- Andy Lester =&

prove --ext=@s

fold back, but this feature missing makes those I'd convert to prove very sad. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance

Re: prove --ext=@s

On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Matt Heusser wrote: > Is there a way to do prove -dont-actualy-execute-anything-just-input --file > pregeneratedTAPinput.txt > > ? > > I just want the summary features. prove --exec=/bin/cat tap.txt -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com =>

Re: prove --ext=@s

27;t want to make this a CYJ. > But then you'll need to write a PHP handler. Brief intro: > > > http://www.justatheory.com/computers/programming/perl/tap-parser-sourcehandler.html And that's fine, I don't mind doing that. I wrote a Test::Harness::PHP for the old 2.x one. But yeah, if this is just a matter of 'ext=s+', then who can make that change and push it out? xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance

Re: prove --ext=@s

hat to Andy A. and Steve > P.). I've got a dispatch script that runs either .t under perl or .phpt under PHP. Basically I've been running: prove --exec='/home/alester/smoke/bin/smoke-dispatch' --ext=.t and it's been just fine. It just never gets called

Re: prove --ext=@s

ing because now we're passing around an array ref. But I'm working on the guts to handle it all. My concern was not about handling command line arguments, but about all the internals, and what I might break that is some sort of defined API that I don't know about. xoa -

SourceHandlers

This whole SourceHandler looks much more like the Right Way To Do It. I wish Mr. Armstrong were around for discussion. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance

prove --ext=.this --ext=.that

ack 2.0. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance

Releasing Test::Harness 3.22

they could go live. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance

Re: An --exclude parameter for prove?

d, then lets do that, rather than saying to "just" do this workaround. If we always took that approach, then we would never have prove in the first place. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Perl QA Hackathon: What was accomplished?

On Apr 6, 2012, at 7:46 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > Could someone post a summary of what was done/not done at this year's QA > hackathon in Paris (http://2012.qa-hackathon.org/qa2012)? I've posted a couple of links on @perlbuzz already. xoa -- Andy Lester =>

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

) ought to die if it fails. But then we might as well not wrap our use in use_ok(). Is there a case when we DO want to use use_ok()? xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

So is there ANY legit use for use_ok()? xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

> -- > ROCKS FALL! EVERYONE DIES! > http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05032002.shtml > I think we've found our correct non-loading module behavior right there. xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

::Next::VERSION, Perl $], $^X" ); it sounds like we're saying that the use_ok() doesn't help at all, and I might as well write use App::Ack; use App::Ack::Repository; use App::Ack::Resource; use File::Next; diag( "Testing App::Ack $App::Ack::VERSION, File::Next $File::Next::VERSION, Perl $], $^X" ); Agreed? xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

As a module author, I would not require a user to install AutoBailout.pm just to remove boilerplate in my t/00-load.t But that's just me. xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

not installed permanently on their system. test_requires is Module::Build only, right? I don't use Module::Build. Even if I did, I don't think I'd require the user to go through a download and temporary build of AutoBailout.pm just to remove boilerplate. xoa -- Andy Lester

Re: Revert use_ok() change to allow lexical effects?

top energy intended. I just wanted to provide a counter viewpoint from a potential customer. I don't want to have another module prereq. I'd probably just do the cut & paste into my t/00-load.t. Carry on! xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Testing Output and Functionality

oking for Test::Output. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Output/ xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Launch of site and sign ups

On Jan 18, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Mark Keating wrote: > The hackathon site is up, we are looking for sponsors and attendees. What made you put it up at a new domain, rather than qa.perl.org? I was surprised. xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Launch of site and sign ups

eally seeing your point. There was no point. I wasn't debating. It was a question, asking for information. xoa -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: interest in converting LWP / Mech hierarchy to roles?

nch of wrappers and some convenience functions. -- Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: interest in converting LWP / Mech hierarchy to roles?

On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Mark Stosberg wrote: > I'd like to have a Mechanize that has both the testing functions, and > also JavaScript support, which the WWW::Scripter sub-class has. Seems to me even better would be to fold WWW::Scripter's JS support into Mech itsel

Writing our own modules in Test2

er? Do we have an FAQ started for things like this? If not, I assume it would be good to start one, and if so, then where should I start it? -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: Writing our own modules in Test2

rd party module. -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: Writing our own modules in Test2

t2::Suite. I think that will help future Test2::Tools writers. So those are my high-level thoughts. -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: Writing our own modules in Test2

I don’t like the name bool_eq() (“booleans are equal”) but it was the best I could come up with. -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Test2::Tools::Compare is vs. like

docs that explains the differences between the two. Anyone else have troubles with these two functions? Or other gotchas where new features aren’t what people switching from Test::More might expect? Andy -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: Test2::Tools::Compare is vs. like

first argument (and in $_) and the sub should return a boolean value.”) would be good, too. I’d be glad to write the docs if I knew the answers to the questions and the zen of what to use when. As a newbie to Test2, I’d really like to start using it as much as possible, but I’m also afraid of screwing up existing tests because I use a new tool incorrectly. Andy -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

Re: CPANifying our test framework - or parts of it

hash => { field structure_id => match qr{^ (? STRUCT \d+ ) $}x; field type => 'dolmen', field material => 'concrete', } } -- Andy Lester => www.petdance.com

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