Stephen Zander wrote:
> OpenSource. Try writing a second Perl implementation from scratch.
Well it's a dicier proposition that writing a Fortran or COBOL
implementation from scratch, but it's Not Intractable. The next
assertion might come as a small shock to you but Larry isn't god.
Topaz wo
abigail [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Blech. Sun didn't force you to run either Linux, or to use a PPC platform.
*>It's your choice, and blaming Sun to screw you doesn't make much sense.
Well, it's the Advocate or Asshole dilemma.
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2000/12/advocacy.html
The conclusion
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:59:07PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote:
>
> As a Solaris gal, this might all seem perfectly sensible. Myself, I'm
> doubly screwed running Linux (which is not Windows or Solaris) on a
> PowerPC (which is not Intel or Sparc). Sun might have perfectly valid
> business r
> "schwern" == schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
schwern> Sun doesn't give out its JDK source code freely, they
schwern> have all sorts of restrictions. If I wanted to port the
schwern> JDK I can do it, but I need special permission from Sun
schwern> to distribute it. This
All, of course, imho:
> Were something dreadful to happen to Larry and his estate chose to
> change the licensing terms of the current *implementation*
Well they can only do that to a copy of their own, not
existing copies. While the law isn't clear on a lot of
nuances related to more complex o
Stephen Zander [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Speaking as someone with feet firmly in both camps (I'm a Blackdown
*>member and the Debian maintainer for the jdk and some of the largest
*>perl modules in that distribution), IMNSHO the fatal assumption made
*>by millions of people is that Java is O
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 01:49:45PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote:
> Perl's great blessing is also it's great curse; there's a single
> implementation and that *implementation* happens to be OpenSource.
> Try writing a second Perl implementation from scratch.
Fortunately, we don't have to. :)
Perl
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 11:57:42AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> If Java sucks to install on some boutique/niche platforms it
> could mean that a) noone has told them about the issues
I can't even conceive they're not accutely aware.
> b) noone in the FreeBSD/Linux world has taken it upon
ith waiting for a driver. The same could be said for the FreeBSD
and even Solaris on Intel. It takes time.
*>There are always improvements to be made, even with Perl. But where
*>we are today, Perl doesn't suck.
For you. It probably does suck for some people which is why we should be
glad
ade easier. We're working on it.
There are always improvements to be made, even with Perl. But where
we are today, Perl doesn't suck.
Z.
*: What good is that multi-billion dollar business doing? Who knows.
What good is that little guy doing? Who knows, but it might be the
next version of the OED, a realtime snapshot of the company's P&L,
or satellite data that reaches you quicker.
Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> > Not all OS, though most, have Perl in the base install and those that do
> > even have problems. Config.pm has issues on HP and Sun, RedHat has spotty
> > RPMs that occsaionall
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> Not all OS, though most, have Perl in the base install and those that do
> even have problems. Config.pm has issues on HP and Sun, RedHat has spotty
> RPMs that occsaionally go awry.
That's their fault. Find a better distrib
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:51:33PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> *>That's their fault. Find a better distribution.
>
> There are a lot of Solaris 8 users out there and to have a broken OEM Perl
> is not optimal. That response would not be well received.
If distributes a broken Perl with
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>There's the trick, Solaris is Sun's Blessed Platform. As a
*>Linux/PowerPC user, I know how Ziggy feels. I'm almost totally
*>ignored by Sun and I'd imagine I'd have just as much trouble getting
*>it working as he did.
*>
*>You can almost argue t
Having gone through much the same pain a couple of weeks ago (although
I just broke down and installed the linux-jdk-1.3.1 port after Sun's
web site told me to come back later), I eagerly await a pure-Perl
replacement for FOP (http://xml.apache.org/fop/index.html)).
--
Christopher Masto S
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 03:41:51PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> I don't believe I was saying that. My point was that you had a bad
> experience installing Java on FreeBSD and have declared that it sucks to
> install it. Unsurprisingly, I have never had a problem installing or
> supporting J
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> And support depends on what model you have. If you can afford commercial
> supprt, I'd guess Java would be easier hands down since SUN has
> wonderful support in my experince.
I don't think we want to drag "you can throw alot
Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Allow me to clarify: a degenerate case for installing a *single* *specific*
*>version of Perl never requires transfers or temporary disk space measured
*>in quarter gigabytes.
For a single user on a single machine, no, but considering disk space is
chea
gt;Worst-case-to-worst-case, Perl doesn't suck, and it's doing much
> *>better than Java. I wonder which is easier to support post-install.
>
> Perl can suck and often does for the newcomer who, when faced with trying
> to wade through all the XML modules on CPAN trying t
f all different flavours of Unix. Several
installations of Perl can absorb a couple hundred MB installed. Also, a
local copy of CPAN will consume 1GB alone.
*>Worst-case-to-worst-case, Perl doesn't suck, and it's doing much
*>better than Java. I wonder which is easier to suppor
r temporary disk space measured in quarter gigabytes.
Worst-case-to-worst-case, Perl doesn't suck, and it's doing much
better than Java. I wonder which is easier to support post-install.
Z.
What follows is a long, detailed summary of an attempt to install JDK 1.2.2
on FreeBSD today. FreeBSD/JDK 1.2.2 is an unsupported configuration for Sun,
although patches exist to get the JDK to work under FreeBSD.
Skip to the last two paragraphs if you want to see how this installation
compares
22 matches
Mail list logo
