Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-18 Thread Nathan Torkington
Jon Ericson writes: > First repeat 10 times - "It's not a replacement, it's a shortcut." Gotta say that I think it's (a) a nasty punctuation mess (don't we have *enough* of those already?) (b) unnecessary (I don't get grumpy at typing `print') (c) opening up more problems than it's solving G

Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-17 Thread David L. Nicol
sub p{ print "Debug: @_\n"; @_; }; Solved my problem :) Nathan Wiger wrote: > > I think [a print() that returns the value of what you > printed ] is an excellent idea independent of others and should > probably be RFC'ed separately. Since it d

Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-17 Thread Nathan Wiger
"David L. Nicol" wrote: > > I like very much a print() that returns the value of what you > printed rather than success. I am always needing to define > littly intermediate temporaries so I can insert debugging code > inside huge, tortuous expressions. I think this is an excellent idea independ

Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-17 Thread David L. Nicol
I like very much a print() that returns the value of what you printed rather than success. I am always needing to define littly intermediate temporaries so I can insert debugging code inside huge, tortuous expressions. I don't know if C(>"print me"<) is it though. Did you take a look at RFC 6

Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-17 Thread Jon Ericson
Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 03:30:09PM -0700, Jon Ericson wrote: > > Nathan Wiger wrote: > > >3. Can you support here documents with this syntax? > > > > I haven't thought about this yet, but you can always use print. > > Should be the same: > > ><<'FOO' >

Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-17 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 03:30:09PM -0700, Jon Ericson wrote: > Nathan Wiger wrote: > >3. Can you support here documents with this syntax? > > I haven't thought about this yet, but you can always use print. Should be the same: ><<'FOO' blah blah FOO< > >

Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-17 Thread Jon Ericson
Nathan Wiger wrote: > > > >"Print this line.\n"<; > > Some questions: > >1. How do you specify alternate filehandles to output to? > select() doesn't count for the purposes of this question. It's a shortcut, not a replacement. Rumors of select's death are greatly exaggerated. >

Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-17 Thread Nathan Wiger
Jon Ericson wrote: > > I think this is a little premature. These are Requests For Comments not > Suggestions To Larry yet. So far, you have been to only person to offer > constructive criticism on this RFC. I think that it is a very small win > at the moment, but this is not the RFC's final fo

Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-17 Thread Jon Ericson
Nathan Wiger wrote: > We should consider if this *adds value* to Perl 6. If not, we should > start trimming down some RFC's and retracting them. If this RFC presents > a significant win, we should keep it. If not (I personally don't see > one), we should retract it. > > I'm not claiming to be aut

Re: RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-16 Thread Nathan Wiger
> >"Print this line.\n"<; Some questions: 1. How do you specify alternate filehandles to output to? select() doesn't count for the purposes of this question. 2. How do you support the list form of print, namely: print "Hello there ", $r->fullname, "!\n"; 3. Can you

RFC 39 (v2) Perl should have a print operator

2000-08-16 Thread Perl6 RFC Librarian
This and other RFCs are available on the web at http://dev.perl.org/rfc/ =head1 TITLE Perl should have a print operator =head1 VERSION Maintainer: Jon Ericson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 5 August 2000 Last-Modified: 17 August 2000 Version: 2 Mailing List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Number: