Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-04 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 > Migration is really only half the story, or not even that much. Every > time you move to a new Postgres version you have to do extensive work

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Robert Haas wrote: Again, to emphasize: many people are using 7.4, or 8.0, or 8.1, not because they necessarily want to, but they can't easily afford the downtime to upgrade. Cutting them off arbitrarily early won't win us any friends. Once pg_migrator (or better, in-place upgrades) is working

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Robert Haas wrote: > > Again, to emphasize: many people are using 7.4, or 8.0, or 8.1, not because > > they necessarily want to, but they can't easily afford the downtime to > > upgrade. Cutting them off arbitrarily early won't win us any friends. Once > > pg_migrator (or better, in-place upgrades)

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Ron Mayer
Dave Page wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Tom Lane wrote: >> >> ... 8.1 in RHEL5 ... +1 for letting 7.* and 8.0 die whenever no-one's motivated to bother supporting it anymore. > Presumably you'll be on the hook until 2014 for 8.1 security patches > I can't see the community wanting to

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > Mark wrote: >> Doesn't mean that packagers have to make new packages ... I personally >> think new packages shouldn't be made for anything older then *maybe* 3 >> releases (8.2, 8.3 and 8.4), but even that I think tends to be a bit >> e

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Mark wrote: > Doesn't mean that packagers have to make new packages ... I personally > think new packages shouldn't be made for anything older then *maybe* 3 > re

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Greg Smith
Tom Lane wrote: Greg Smith writes: What I was trying to suggest was that right now, there are situations where a new deployment on 8.1 is still completely reasonable and possible to justify in the Enterprise Linux space, whereas I don't know of any situation where 7.4/8.0 can be similarly

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 17:14 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > However, if you are paying attention to what has shipped in > recent Fedora releases, it's not hard to figure out that it will have > PG >= 8.4. I thought RHEL 6 would ship with 8.3. It will be perfect if it skips 8.3. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ, RHCE Co

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Smith writes: > What I was trying to suggest was that right now, there are situations > where a new deployment on 8.1 is still completely reasonable and > possible to justify in the Enterprise Linux space, whereas I don't know > of any situation where 7.4/8.0 can be similarly defended as a

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Greg Smith
Tom Lane wrote: Well, actually, if it's just "what will RH support", I just today got launch commit on this... What I was trying to suggest was that right now, there are situations where a new deployment on 8.1 is still completely reasonable and possible to justify in the Enterprise Linux sp

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Greg Smith writes: Some people consider the extended support and easy upgrades of the RHEL5 versions valuable enough that they have a strong preference to use the version of PostgreSQL that ships with it. Right now, when such people ask me about using 8.1 in that context

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Smith writes: > Some people consider the extended support and easy upgrades of the RHEL5 > versions valuable enough that they have a strong preference to use the > version of PostgreSQL that ships with it. Right now, when such people > ask me about using 8.1 in that context, I tell them w

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Greg Smith
Tom Lane wrote: Personally I'll still be on the hook for maintaining 8.1 in RHEL5 so I'd be just as happy to keep it alive a bit longer, but if the community doesn't want to deal with it that makes perfect sense. Some people consider the extended support and easy upgrades of the RHEL5 version

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan writes: > The time between these periodic debates seems to be getting shorter and > shorter. No, this is just a continuation of the unresolved thread from a month or so ago. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgres

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Scrappy wrote: is there a reason why we can't follow a similar 4+3 life cycle? packagers r produced for the first 4y after .0 release and only source updates for year 5 thru 7? if we could advertise such on the web, there would be no question as to when bug reports are accepted (n+4y) and

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Scrappy
is there a reason why we can't follow a similar 4+3 life cycle? packagers r produced for the first 4y after .0 release and only source updates for year 5 thru 7? if we could advertise such on the web, there would be no question as to when bug reports are accepted (n+4y) and when only secu

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
"Marc G. Fournier" writes: > What are RedHats "EOL" dates for the various releases? Dave already mentioned a public page for that: http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/ Based on track record so far, Red Hat isn't going to care about anything but high-priority security issues towards the

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Tom Lane wrote: "Greg Sabino Mullane" writes: This thread never got resolved. I think we can all agree that EOL for 7.4 is a "when", not an "if"? Can we get -core to take a stance here and pick a date? I like the clean smooth lines of January 2011, and thus saying that 2010

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Dave Page
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > "Greg Sabino Mullane" writes: >> This thread never got resolved. I think we can all agree that EOL >> for 7.4 is a "when", not an "if"? Can we get -core to take a stance >> here and pick a date? I like the clean smooth lines of January 2011, >> an

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
"Greg Sabino Mullane" writes: > This thread never got resolved. I think we can all agree that EOL > for 7.4 is a "when", not an "if"? Can we get -core to take a stance > here and pick a date? I like the clean smooth lines of January 2011, > and thus saying that 2010 is the last year in which we'll