Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-13 Thread Anand Kumria
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:53:13 +0100, Thomas Hallgren wrote: Andrew McMillan wrote: Switching to Arch is more work, but it also offers a lot more benefits - including the opportunity for individuals to maintain their own trees, and be able to work out which patchsets from someone else's tree

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-07 Thread Travis P
Ian Barwick wrote: flat-file based backend ... and the docs mention possible issues with scalability. My impression from being on the Subversion mailing lists: The FSFS backend (flat-file system) scalability issues remain largely theoretical. In practice, it appears to work at least as well

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-06 Thread Andrew McMillan
On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 15:37 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: One of the reasons I'm disinclined to move is that none of the proposed alternatives seem especially, um, mature. AFAIK this project has never had CVS lose any data in the eight years we've used it. I'd want a comparable level of trust in

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-06 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Andrew McMillan wrote: Switching to Arch is more work, but it also offers a lot more benefits - including the opportunity for individuals to maintain their own trees, and be able to work out which patchsets from someone else's tree have not been applied. If anything is going to become the

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Neil Conway
Thomas Hallgren wrote: Another compelling reason to use SVN is that one of their long term goals is to use an SQL backend. That is about as far from a compelling reason to use a particular version control system as I can imagine. -Neil ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Neil Conway wrote: Thomas Hallgren wrote: Another compelling reason to use SVN is that one of their long term goals is to use an SQL backend. That is about as far from a compelling reason to use a particular version control system as I can imagine. Yeah. I see these considerations as being

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Thomas Hallgren
Andrew Dunstan wrote: Neil Conway wrote: Thomas Hallgren wrote: Another compelling reason to use SVN is that one of their long term goals is to use an SQL backend. That is about as far from a compelling reason to use a particular version control system as I can imagine. Yeah. I see these

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Freitag, 5. November 2004 14:13 schrieb Andrew Dunstan: I'll repeat an observation I made (more or less) last time we had this discussion: the loudest voice in it belongs to those who actually use the repository most. When Tom or Bruce or Peter (for example) tell us we need to change I'll

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Peter Eisentraut wrote: I think for a start it would be nice if pgfoundry could optionally offer subversion (and/or arch) for source control, so that some developer groups and also our system administrators could get some experience with it. I agree. We (the pgfoundry admins) will see what

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Gaetano Mendola
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Freitag, 5. November 2004 14:13 schrieb Andrew Dunstan: I'll repeat an observation I made (more or less) last time we had this discussion: the loudest voice in it belongs to those who actually use the repository most. When Tom or Bruce or Peter (for example) tell us we

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Gaetano Mendola wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: I'm certainly open to considering subversion, although I have a certain traumatic experience with it that may or may not be related to the BDB backend that it uses. I think for a start it would be nice if pgfoundry could

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Heikki Linnakangas wrote: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Gaetano Mendola wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: I'm certainly open to considering subversion, although I have a certain traumatic experience with it that may or may not be related to the BDB backend that it uses. I think for a start it would be nice

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Gaetano Mendola
Heikki Linnakangas wrote: I tried that yesterday out of curiosity. It had problems with 3 files which I removed manually: /pgsql/src/interfaces/perl5/Attic/ApachePg.pl,v /pgsql/src/interfaces/perl5/Attic/test.pl.newstyle,v /pgsql/src/interfaces/perl5/Attic/test.pl.oldstyle.pl,v Otherwise, no

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Ian Barwick
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:22:55 +0100, Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Freitag, 5. November 2004 14:13 schrieb Andrew Dunstan: I'll repeat an observation I made (more or less) last time we had this discussion: the loudest voice in it belongs to those who actually use the repository

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Gaetano Mendola wrote: Heikki Linnakangas wrote: FWIW, I think Peter's idea of offering Subversion as an alternative in pgfoundry is very good. Mmm, do you mean createing periodically snapshot? Yes this could be a good idea. No, I mean that each project could choose to use

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Gaetano Mendola
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Heikki Linnakangas wrote: | Have you looked at TortoiseCVS (www.tortoisecvs.org)? I think | TortoiseSVN is a fork of that. I didn't know the existence, is not even listed in the subproject on CVS home page, I discovered TortoiseSVN on the Subversion

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Tom Lane
Ian Barwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aha, glad I'm not the only one. Version 1.1 has a flat-file based backend which is not prone to BDB-permission-related problems, see: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/svnbook-1.1/ch05.html#svn-ch-5-sect-1.4 . It's only been around a few months though and the

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Travis P wrote: Heikki Linnakangas wrote: Interestingly, the subversion repository is 585MB, and the CVS repository is only 260MB, BDB or FSFS back-end? FSFS seems to require less space. (The BDB backend tends to pre-allocate space though, so maybe there was a big jump, but

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Markus Bertheau
, 05.11.2004, 21:40, Heikki Linnakangas : On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Travis P wrote: Heikki Linnakangas wrote: Interestingly, the subversion repository is 585MB, and the CVS repository is only 260MB, BDB or FSFS back-end? FSFS seems to require less space. (The BDB backend tends to

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Markus Bertheau wrote: , 05.11.2004, 21:40, Heikki Linnakangas : On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Travis P wrote: Heikki Linnakangas wrote: Interestingly, the subversion repository is 585MB, and the CVS repository is only 260MB, BDB or FSFS back-end? FSFS seems to require less

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Greg Stark
Heikki Linnakangas wrote: Interestingly, the subversion repository is 585MB, and the CVS repository is only 260MB, So apparently this is a limitation of svn2cvs. It uses a lot more space to represent tags and branches than would be required if they had been created in svn directly.

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Bruce Momjian
Greg Stark wrote: Heikki Linnakangas wrote: Interestingly, the subversion repository is 585MB, and the CVS repository is only 260MB, So apparently this is a limitation of svn2cvs. It uses a lot more space to represent tags and branches than would be required if they had been created

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die

2004-11-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Greg Stark said: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This just reinforces Tom's well-made point about maturity/stability. I rejected using SVN on another project a few months ago for just this sort of reason. I'm not sure what this says about maturity, you realize read-only access

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] CVS should die (was: Possible make_oidjoins_check ...)

2004-11-04 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can this be discussed for 8.1? It's been discussed, and rejected, several times already. There aren't any alternatives that are enough better than CVS to be worth the changeover effort. regards, tom lane