Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-08-01 Thread Doug McNaught
Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Huh? That is exactly counter to most people's expectations about > version numbering. N.0 is the unstable release, N.1 is the one > with some bugs shaken out. If we release a 7.5 people will expect > it to be less buggy than 7.4, and I'm not sure we can pr

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think that the set of new features here will fairly likely warrant > the "8.0" moniker; the 'consistent' way to go would be to call this > version 7.5, and then 8.0 would soon follow, and be the release where > some degree of improved "maturity" ha

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-08-01 Thread Gaetano Mendola
Christopher Browne wrote: After takin a swig o' Arrakan spice grog, Gaetano Mendola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> belched out: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: What was the rule for increasing the first number after just before 7.0? That was just to avoid having to release a 6.6.6, which Jan

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-08-01 Thread Christopher Browne
After takin a swig o' Arrakan spice grog, Gaetano Mendola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> belched out: > Peter Eisentraut wrote: > >> Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> >>>What was the rule for increasing the first number after just before >>>7.0? >> That was just to avoid having to release a 6.6.6, which Jan had >> cl

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-08-01 Thread Josh Berkus
Peter, > Eventually we'll do the Sun switcheroo and follow release 7.12 by 13.0. Even better, we can have two different, parallel version numbers, so that the next version can be 7.5 *and* 13.0. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco ---(end of broadcast

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: What was the rule for increasing the first number after just before 7.0? That was just to avoid having to release a 6.6.6, which Jan had clearly been working towards. :-) Seriously, major version jumps correspond to epoch-like change

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-08-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 22:40:52 -0700, Steve Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 8.0.0 suggests, to my customers at least, a brand new release with > either massive re-architecting, many new features or both and that's > likely to be riddled with bugs. While it would be unlikely that we'd > s

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-08-01 Thread Gaetano Mendola
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: What was the rule for increasing the first number after just before 7.0? That was just to avoid having to release a 6.6.6, which Jan had clearly been working towards. :-) Seriously, major version jumps correspond to epoch-like changes, like when the

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Hans-Jürgen Schönig
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, Version 7.5 is as close to a major release as I have seen in the almost 9 years I have been using PostgreSQL. This release brings about a lot of "enterprise" features that have been holding back PostgreSQL in a big way for for a long time. All of my serious customer

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Steve Atkins
On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 12:20:59PM +0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > >>This is more features worth mentioning than we've ever had in a single > >>release before -- and if you consider several add-ons which have been > >>implemented/improved at the same time (Slony, PL/Java, etc.) it's even

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Bruce Momjian
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > >>This is more features worth mentioning than we've ever had in a single release > >>before -- and if you consider several add-ons which have been > >>implemented/improved at the same time (Slony, PL/Java, etc.) it's even more > >>momentous. If this isn't 8.0,

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
This is more features worth mentioning than we've ever had in a single release before -- and if you consider several add-ons which have been implemented/improved at the same time (Slony, PL/Java, etc.) it's even more momentous. If this isn't 8.0, then what will be? I tend to agree, and was

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
So, as far as you're concerned, there will never ever be an 8.0. Eventually we'll do the Sun switcheroo and follow release 7.12 by 13.0. How about 7.5i :) Chris ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index sc

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hello, Version 7.5 is as close to a major release as I have seen in the almost 9 years I have been using PostgreSQL. This release brings about a lot of "enterprise" features that have been holding back PostgreSQL in a big way for for a long time. All of my serious customers; potential, existi

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Bruce Momjian
I am fine with either numbering, but I think the 8.0 might make more sense. --- Tom Lane wrote: > Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >> What was the rule for increasing the first number

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> What was the rule for increasing the first number after just before >> 7.0? > That was just to avoid having to release a 6.6.6, which Jan had clearly > been working towards. :-) AFAIR, we had informally been referring to tha

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Even if Savepoints don't make it, we'll still have: Savepoints are in, as is exception-trapping in functions (at least plpgsql, the other PLs are on their own :-(). Some other major improvements you didn't mention: Cross-datatype comparisons are indexabl

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > What was the rule for increasing the first number after just before > 7.0? That was just to avoid having to release a 6.6.6, which Jan had clearly been working towards. :-) Seriously, major version jumps correspond to epoch-like changes, like when the code moved out of B

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Josh Berkus wrote: > So, as far as you're concerned, there will never ever be an 8.0. Eventually we'll do the Sun switcheroo and follow release 7.12 by 13.0. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TI

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 12:02:47AM +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: > > > We've also never had a single release before that had its version > > > number jump determined by the number of features. > > > > That's a non-argument, Peter; we don't have any clear criteria for > > versi

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Peter, > Oh yes, we have very clear criteria: For patch releases, we increase the > third number, for feature releases we increase the second number and > set the third number to zero. Clear enough? So, as far as you're concerned, there will never ever be an 8.0. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Josh Berkus wrote: > > We've also never had a single release before that had its version > > number jump determined by the number of features. > > That's a non-argument, Peter; we don't have any clear criteria for > version number jump. Oh yes, we have very clear criteria: For patch releases, we i

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Peter, > We've also never had a single release before that had its version number > jump determined by the number of features. That's a non-argument, Peter; we don't have any clear criteria for version number jump. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco

Re: [HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Josh Berkus wrote: > This is more features worth mentioning than we've ever had in a > single release before We've also never had a single release before that had its version number jump determined by the number of features. > I talked to a few of our people at OSCON who agreed with me. We'd >

[HACKERS] Version Numbering -- The great debate

2004-07-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Folks, Well, we're past feature freeze and with one reservation we know what's in the next version. After talking to several people at OSCON, I want to revive a discussion: whether this is 7.5 or 8.0. We tabled that discussion in April pending a feature list. Even if Savepoints don't make