Re: [Pharo-dev] Complaints about Spec

2014-06-20 Thread stepharo
Did you check that in Phro for the entreprise there is a calculator tutorial based on spec. Sven I'm interested reading yours. Yuriy if you give us 1% of the money spent on Cocoa pharo will not look the same at all. Did you see that most of us are not payed to develop pharo? Stef On

Re: [Pharo-dev] Complaints about Spec

2014-06-20 Thread stepharo
Hi ben I understand your frustration, but writing doc takes time. I have a more industry oriented example in polishing mode I can review it if you need. Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] Complaints about Spec

2014-06-20 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Yes Stef, I know. And in the end I’ve made and adapter for CodeCity: http://quick.as/blq9f5d1 cool, no? We all get frustrated from time to time, I just wanted to point out that we need a straightforward tutorial on building apps with UIs. And Spec is not bad. And I will take a look at the

Re: [Pharo-dev] Complaints about Spec

2014-06-20 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 20 Jun 2014, at 08:39, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Did you check that in Phro for the entreprise there is a calculator tutorial based on spec. Sven I'm interested reading yours. I am in the process of writing, pushed a bit by Yuriy's questions, but these things take time and are

[Pharo-dev] Complaints about Spec

2014-06-18 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Hi guys, I was very frustrated, but as usually complaints are useless, I’ll try to be constructive. Maybe the problem is not about Spec itself but all the UI related tool-chain. I find UI very fragile part in software design. And by now I’ve seen only 2 very nice documentations on how to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Complaints about Spec

2014-06-18 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Hi Yuriy, I can't really comment on the overal questions you are asking. But please keep in mind that Apple's Cocoa has had a little bit more resource behind it, for many decades, of course they have a nice design and excellent documentation. I actually have a calculator project which contains

Re: [Pharo-dev] Complaints about Spec

2014-06-18 Thread Benjamin
I understand your frustration, but writing doc takes time. I have a more industry oriented example in polishing mode Ben On 18 Jun 2014, at 11:40, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote: Hi guys, I was very frustrated, but as usually complaints are useless, I’ll try to be constructive.