Re: [Pharo-project] New much faster Pharo based on 10379

2009-07-20 Thread Damien Cassou
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Esteban A. Maringoloemaring...@gmail.com wrote: I got some errors while looking for senders, for example looking at the senders of #asArray and clicking on some of the senders. Could you please open a bug report with detailed information on how to reproduce?

Re: [Pharo-project] KnownLands: a Class dependency explorer

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Normally mondrian has a force base layout and several others. We would be really happy if people want to help. Doru spent already a lot of effort. Hernan if you want constraints solver I have some old code of cassowary, dletablue and friends. Stef Hello David, It seems you have an

[Pharo-project] Removing SmallDictionary freezes the image

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi all Cyrille cleaned SmallDictionary and check tests (169 now) Now he wanted to remove SmallDictionary before loading his new version and when we do that the image simply freezes And there is no references beside a tests there are no instances. So either the reference finder is broken

[Pharo-project] due to the squeaksource crash... the inbox is full of old

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
versions I moved in the treated inbox during the sprint So I will clean again. May be we should pay somebody to improve the infrastructure. Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing SmallDictionary freezes the image

2009-07-20 Thread Adrian Lienhard
SmallIdentityDictionary is a subclass and has 1768 instances. Adrian On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:41 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Hi all Cyrille cleaned SmallDictionary and check tests (169 now) Now he wanted to remove SmallDictionary before loading his new version and when we do that the image

[Pharo-project] need tests for DataStream

2009-07-20 Thread Cyrille Delaunay
Hi, I wrote a new version of DataStream ( and its subclasses : ReferenceStream and SmartRefStream) in Nile and I would like to write tests for those classes. I would be very interested by anyone that has already write some tests for that. ___

[Pharo-project] About issue number in slice name

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi all I would like that we follow the convention: - put the issue number in the slice name (like nicolas is doing) Today the server crashed and the inbox is full of all code. So with the name in the slice I can really fast check if it was integrated or not. So we should probably

[Pharo-project] about fixing some primitives

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
John do you know if the primitives mentioned by nicolas are integrated in the mac VM. David Lewis integrated them apparently in VMmaker http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7368 http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7260 Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing SmallDictionary freezes the image

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ok morph Extension of course. But I can remove SmallIdentityDictionary without any problem. May be instances are migrated to SmallDictionary then SmallIdentityDictionary is a subclass and has 1768 instances. Adrian On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:41 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Hi all Cyrille

Re: [Pharo-project] about fixing some primitives

2009-07-20 Thread Nicolas Cellier
Easy to tell: 2.0 = Float nan. If the result is false, then VMhave been updated, else not yet... 2009/7/20 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: John do you know if the primitives mentioned by nicolas are integrated in the mac VM. David Lewis integrated them apparently in VMmaker

Re: [Pharo-project] about fixing some primitives

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
excellent returns true now I just need the version 3 of your fix :) On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: Easy to tell: 2.0 = Float nan. If the result is false, then VMhave been updated, else not yet... 2009/7/20 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: John do you know

Re: [Pharo-project] about fixing some primitives

2009-07-20 Thread Nicolas Cellier
2009/7/20 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: excellent returns true No, true is bad... now I just need the version 3 of your fix :) Hem, it seems I messed with repositories, don't know where I published the slice... I have no pharo version handy, so wait until this evening... ...Or

Re: [Pharo-project] about fixing some primitives

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
argh I'm tired. So this means that it would be good to sync with john now I just need the version 3 of your fix :) Hem, it seems I messed with repositories, don't know where I published the slice... I have no pharo version handy, so wait until this evening... ...Or just get the latest .cs

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing SmallDictionary freezes the image

2009-07-20 Thread Marcus Denker
On 20.07.2009, at 05:46, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Ok morph Extension of course. But I can remove SmallIdentityDictionary without any problem. Yes, we should migrate all existing extensions back to a normal dictionary. Marcus May be instances are migrated to SmallDictionary then

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing SmallDictionary freezes the image

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Why SmallDictionary is faster for small number of item and now we even have tests for it. I'm about to intergate that. Stef Ok morph Extension of course. But I can remove SmallIdentityDictionary without any problem. Yes, we should migrate all existing extensions back to a normal dictionary.

Re: [Pharo-project] BlockArgsNode KeyWordNode

2009-07-20 Thread Marcus Denker
On 19.07.2009, at 16:00, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: yeap quite emtpy. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=962 Stef On Jul 19, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: 2009/7/19 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: Hi I'm wondering why these classes are the only one of

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing SmallDictionary freezes the image

2009-07-20 Thread Marcus Denker
On 20.07.2009, at 08:40, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Why SmallDictionary is faster for small number of item and now we even have tests for it. I'm about to intergate that. Ah, ok. I thought is was about removing it... Marcus Stef Ok morph Extension of course. But I can remove

Re: [Pharo-project] need tests for DataStream

2009-07-20 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
You can ask squeak-dev mailing list perhaps 2009/7/20 Cyrille Delaunay cy.delau...@gmail.com Hi, I wrote a new version of DataStream ( and its subclasses : ReferenceStream and SmartRefStream) in Nile and I would like to write tests for those classes. I would be very interested by anyone

Re: [Pharo-project] Singing praise: Pharo is awesome!

2009-07-20 Thread Cameron Sanders
Stef Pharo'ers, You are right. And I feel bad that I did not see one of your emails (until yesterday) asking me to fill in the details on one defect 2 months back. My apologies. I will get better at helping... in a couple of months. Until then I can only give you praise! Sincerely,

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing SmallDictionary freezes the image

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
In fact I just tried because I thought that they were not used but they are :) Stef On Jul 20, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: On 20.07.2009, at 08:40, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Why SmallDictionary is faster for small number of item and now we even have tests for it. I'm about to

Re: [Pharo-project] KnownLands: a Class dependency explorer

2009-07-20 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
Oui Stéphane, j'amerais voir quelques exemples de Cassowary et amis. En rapport avec Mondrian j'ai lu les papers (j'ai quelques idées qui pourraient améliorer le framework), c'est un développement exceptionnel, mais je n'ai pas eu du temps de l'appliquer dans notre projet, c'est dommage parce

Re: [Pharo-project] KnownLands: a Class dependency explorer

2009-07-20 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Doru spent already a lot of effort. me as well. Mondrian works on Pharo. Just doit: ScriptLoader new installer ss project: 'Mondrian'; install: 'MondrianLoader'. (Smalltalk at: #MondrianLoader) perform: #loadMondrian; perform: #loadMorphicAnnouncementFix Cheers, Alexandre Hello

Re: [Pharo-project] FreeTypeFont profiling methods brokem

2009-07-20 Thread Andrew Tween
Hi Stef, I'll fix these methods. (they need to use LogicalFonts e.g. f := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 12. ) Cheers, Andy Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote in message news:4e6ad79b-7f45-4884-926a-597991139...@inria.fr... Hi all

Re: [Pharo-project] Double draw??

2009-07-20 Thread Andrew Tween
Hi Bill, Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu wrote in message news:bf8e651d8fa25a458c0255853b976ded066da...@hsc-cms01.ad.ufl.edu... Hello all, I saw Damien's responses to my report of #localHostName troubles, and began a little fact checking for a follow up. That lead me to some

Re: [Pharo-project] Singing praise: Pharo is awesome!

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
no problem :) Stef On Jul 20, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Cameron Sanders wrote: Stef Pharo'ers, You are right. And I feel bad that I did not see one of your emails (until yesterday) asking me to fill in the details on one defect 2 months back. My apologies. I will get better at helping... in a

[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10381 and 10382

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Issue 962: remove BlockArgsNode KeyWordNode - Issue 463:SmallDictionary should not be a subclass of Set (and Dictionary) cleaner SmallDictionary + more tests - removing RBSmallDictionaryTests and MethodDictionaryTestBis'. Cyrille can you check on a core

Re: [Pharo-project] Singing praise: Pharo is awesome!

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I forgot to say praise is ok too :) Stef On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: no problem :) Stef On Jul 20, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Cameron Sanders wrote: Stef Pharo'ers, You are right. And I feel bad that I did not see one of your emails (until yesterday) asking me to fill

Re: [Pharo-project] toying to get some fun lecture

2009-07-20 Thread BMason
Stéphane Ducasse-2 wrote: Hi all I was toying with 'http://www.squeak.org' asUrl retrieveContent and HtmlParser parse: ('http://www.squeak.org' asUrl retrieveContent) content but apparently it is not in 3.9 and it was in 3.6 so was it in Scamper? Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] toying to get some fun lecture

2009-07-20 Thread BMason
I am not able to get scamper to work in the latest Seaside image. I loaded HTML and Scamper through Monticello. I get many errors. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/toying-to-get-some-fun-lecture-tp2956371p3289671.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive

Re: [Pharo-project] toying to get some fun lecture

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Scamper this is clear to me. With HTML I could do the following examples On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BMason wrote: Stéphane Ducasse-2 wrote: Hi all I was toying with 'http://www.squeak.org' asUrl retrieveContent and HtmlParser parse: ('http://www.squeak.org' asUrl retrieveContent)

[Pharo-project] FreeType fonts

2009-07-20 Thread Benoit St-Jean
Hello everyone, I had a nice Pharo image with FreeType fonts (the default ones) not a long time ago. Then, oups! I am back to the old Squeak fonts. I haven't changed the UI theme nor the system fonts... It all happened after an update. How do you re-initialize those default fonts ? Thank

Re: [Pharo-project] FreeType fonts

2009-07-20 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
2009/7/20 Benoit St-Jean bstj...@yahoo.com Hello everyone, I had a nice Pharo image with FreeType fonts (the default ones) not a long time ago. Then, oups! I am back to the old Squeak fonts. I haven't changed the UI theme nor the system fonts... It all happened after an update. How do

Re: [Pharo-project] FreeType fonts

2009-07-20 Thread Damien Cassou
2009/7/20 Benoit St-Jean bstj...@yahoo.com: I had a nice Pharo image with FreeType fonts (the default ones) not a long time ago.  Then, oups!  I am back to the old Squeak fonts. I haven't changed the UI theme nor the system fonts...  It all happened after an update. How do you re-initialize

[Pharo-project] Creating graphics and UI in Pharo

2009-07-20 Thread John Escobedo
Thanks everyone for the help with clearing the Smalltalk Dictionary variables (and best practices to avoid setting them). Since about Squeak 2.x I'd discovered smalltalk and have been learning as I go. One of the most confusing aspects is that there is very old documentation that still holds up

[Pharo-project] Housekeeping of objects and variables (was: Where declared global reside... how can they be removed?)

2009-07-20 Thread John E.
I appreciate all the feedback. I learned a lot about the SmallTalk Dictionary this way. Smalltalk removeKey: #MyGlobal worked great of course, however I'm now just using reset variables in the Shout Workspace window. Even though the latter will clear them all, is there a clear path towards show

Re: [Pharo-project] Shall we forbid updating?

2009-07-20 Thread John E.
I just tried it last week and it failed horribly, and yet tried it today and it worked great. I'm new to Pharo and tried it as I was used to updating Squeak frequently. If it's going to work in the future I'd say leave it. If it's part of core only it would be nice to not see it other builds.

Re: [Pharo-project] KnownLands: a Class dependency explorer

2009-07-20 Thread David Goehrig
Thanks Alexandre! This actually works in one of my images, after a few tweaks. I finally figured out what was causing the issue and it had to do with my old image had a half installed version of Mondrian that couldn't unload. That said, Mondrian is conceptually so far away from what I'm aiming

Re: [Pharo-project] Shall we forbid updating?

2009-07-20 Thread Adrian Lienhard
It would be interesting to understand what exactly the problem is. Has anybody looked into it? If it is hard to fix, we should disable the update function. When we create an update, we (or at least I) only test with the core image. Adrian On Jul 20, 2009, at 19:24 , John E. wrote: I just

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 10381 and 10382

2009-07-20 Thread Adrian Lienhard
Some more notes: There are two new undeclared references: - floatCollection in IdentitySetTestidentityCollectionWithElementsCopyNotIdentical - ObservedProcess in MessageTallyspyEvery:at:on: Adrian On Jul 20, 2009, at 21:46 , Adrian Lienhard wrote: Please note that there are about 10 tests

[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10384 extraction of MorphicExtras

2009-07-20 Thread Adrian Lienhard
This update removes the MorphicExtras package. I had to spend quite some effort to properly detangle it from the rest of the system... MorphicExtras contained examples and experimental (and some wicked) morphs (in total 110 classes). The space gained is significant: 1.5MB. If somebody is

[Pharo-project] FWD: [VM-Team] Suggested task list for VM-Team, summer 2009

2009-07-20 Thread Torsten Bergmann
see http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2009-July/002853.html -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 ___ Pharo-project mailing list

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 10384 extraction of MorphicExtras

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks adrian Indeed it would be cool to harvest some of the best morphs. Stef On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: This update removes the MorphicExtras package. I had to spend quite some effort to properly detangle it from the rest of the system... MorphicExtras contained

Re: [Pharo-project] KnownLands: a Class dependency explorer

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jul 20, 2009, at 7:39 PM, David Goehrig wrote: Thanks Alexandre! This actually works in one of my images, after a few tweaks. I finally figured out what was causing the issue and it had to do with my old image had a half installed version of Mondrian that couldn't unload. That

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 10381 and 10382

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ok I will fix that tomorrow. On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: Some more notes: There are two new undeclared references: - floatCollection in IdentitySetTestidentityCollectionWithElementsCopyNotIdentical - ObservedProcess in MessageTallyspyEvery:at:on: Adrian On Jul

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 10381 and 10382

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I will sit with cyrille because he was developing in dev and we are in core. On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: Please note that there are about 10 tests related to dictionaries that fail now. Adrian On Jul 20, 2009, at 17:39 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Issue 962:

Re: [Pharo-project] FWD: [VM-Team] Suggested task list for VM-Team, summer 2009

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
do you know why alien is not listed? do you know if they plan more hash place for objects? I do not understand why FFI is important when I remember the comments of eliot on it. Stef On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: see

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

2009-07-20 Thread Janko Mivšek
Hi Alexandre, Alexandre Bergel pravi: 284 people are subscribed to this mailing list. It is a bit hard to deduce how many users of Pharo there are, but the number of subscriptions gives a number at least. How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know there are

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

2009-07-20 Thread Lukas Renggli
How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it. Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch ___

Re: [Pharo-project] KnownLands: a Class dependency explorer

2009-07-20 Thread David Goehrig
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Why? Because you can script your visualization and try all kind of them. Mondrian a visualisation engine. Soon with lumiere developed by fernando you will be able to script 3d objects. Because the tools

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 10384 extraction of MorphicExtras

2009-07-20 Thread Igor Stasenko
2009/7/20 Adrian Lienhard a...@netstyle.ch: This update removes the MorphicExtras package. I had to spend quite some effort to properly detangle it from the rest of the system... MorphicExtras contained examples and experimental (and some wicked) morphs (in total 110 classes). The space

[Pharo-project] Persist a morph in a message.

2009-07-20 Thread nullPointer
Excuse me for my poor english. I´m developing a GUI Builder for Pharo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHbc1t83fEI One of my problems is the way of persist a morph.Now i use the same way for create a Morph than message #saveOnFile but not saving in a external file else in array of bytes

Re: [Pharo-project] Persist a morph in a message.

2009-07-20 Thread Igor Stasenko
2009/7/21 nullPointer epic...@gmail.com: Excuse me for my poor english. I´m developing a GUI Builder for Pharo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHbc1t83fEI One of my problems is the way of persist a morph.Now i use the same way for create a Morph than message #saveOnFile  but not saving in

Re: [Pharo-project] Persist a morph in a message.

2009-07-20 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:15 PM, nullPointer epic...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me for my poor english. I´m developing a GUI Builder for Pharo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHbc1t83fEI One of my problems is the way of persist a morph.Now i use the same way for create a Morph than message

[Pharo-project] Fwd: Who are you?

2009-07-20 Thread Cameron Sanders
I am targeting a commercial app on Pharo. I have not incorporated for the product yet, I am self employed. I hope to either build a data service, or sell the product; failing both, I would allow others to use it for free (in some form). At the least, the software I am building on Pharo

Re: [Pharo-project] GC limitations?

2009-07-20 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez
El mar, 21-07-2009 a las 01:13 -0400, Schwab,Wilhelm K escribió: Hello all, I have a weird-looking bug that I am willing to assume is my doing and in my code. That said, some debugging lead me to a situation I really do not enjoy: objects that I think should be gc'd are happily living in

[Pharo-project] Persist a morph in a message.

2009-07-20 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Mariano wrote: Your project seems very interesting, tough. Yes, a UI builder would be nice to have. Can you give us some more details? Thx Torsten -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01