Re: [Pharo-project] Automatic generation of abstract methods

2010-04-21 Thread Denis Kudriashov
And there is DynamicProtocols. Which show abstract methods and more 2010/4/12 Simon Denier > > On 12 avr. 2010, at 14:26, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Would it be difficult to generate automatically superclass-abstract > methods (with an empty contents) when creating a new subcla

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] CMake for Windows?

2010-04-21 Thread laurent laffont
On linux, configure fails: -- Configuring done CMake Error in CMakeLists.txt: Cannot find source file "aio.c". Tried extensions .c .C .c++ .cc .cpp .cxx .m .M .mm .h .hh .h++ .hm .hpp .hxx .in .txx aio.c is in .unix/vm/aio.c Cheers, Laurent Laffont On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Geoffr

Re: [Pharo-project] Fix 2329 - Default MC Directory Setting

2010-04-21 Thread Henrik Sperre Johansen
On 22.04.2010 04:45, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: I was looking for a SystemNavigator>> allMethodsUsingPragma: aSymbol, or something like that. With that funtionality, I guess it really wouldn't matter where they were located - or am I missing an easy way to find these methods? Sean You could tr

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] CMake for Windows?

2010-04-21 Thread Geoffroy Couprie
Ping! I know everyone is busy, but could someone test these CMake files? I can't install a VM to build unix Squeak right now, but I'll do it in the future. I just want to know if it's still possible to create unix squeak with these files :) On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Geoffroy Couprie wrot

Re: [Pharo-project] [Question] ToolBuilder in Squeak 4.1 and Pharo 1.0 compatible?

2010-04-21 Thread Andreas Raab
On 4/21/2010 4:32 AM, Hannes Hirzel wrote: A question: Art the ToolBuilder in Squeak 4.1 and Pharo 1.0 the same? Or if there is a difference what is the impact of it? Or put the question in another way. If I code an UI using the ToolBuilder in Squeak 4.1 will it run in Pharo? They are mostly t

Re: [Pharo-project] Fix 2329 - Default MC Directory Setting

2010-04-21 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > Alain is our setting expert and we gotstuck on the how do write a setting > chapter. > So I'm happy other people like you push this further. > My experience as a settings beginner. It was actually really easy because: * '*setting*' is used everywhere, so I did a '

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Hernán Morales Durand < hernan.mora...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2010/4/21 Lukas Renggli : > >> thisContext is a special object for representing an activation in a > >> stack frame in a stack-based VM. > > > > Actually "thisContext" represents *the current* activation/st

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
2010/4/21 Lukas Renggli : >> thisContext is a special object for representing an activation in a >> stack frame in a stack-based VM. > > Actually "thisContext" represents *the current* activation/stack-frame. > >    foo: anObject >         ^ thisContext at: 1 > > is the same as > >    foo: anObject

Re: [Pharo-project] HelpSystem (was Documentation Team)

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Roberts
yes I think that is a nice idea. we would need to see how it fitted in with http://pharo-project.org/documentation as it is currently, and if we load cms-box with all content or something else for dynamically generated stuff like your seaside example (or -> static html). cheers, Mike 2010/4/21 la

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread Phil (list)
John & Stephane, Fair enough and good to know that folks like ESUG will be weighing in. I think you're on the right track re: gathering vocal support from the Scratch community that is constructive rather than bashing Apple, and have mainly been wondering why there wasn't a more concerte

Re: [Pharo-project] Some more dev on Polymorph for DrGeo

2010-04-21 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Oh, and this one does not work, bad. Anyway try the latest one #185 from Squeaksource, it is a moving target so there are no ConfigurationOfDrGeo for it Much better! I played a bit, this is really cool. I haven't noticed any non-functional bugs. Cheers, Alexandre Hilaire Alexandre O

Re: [Pharo-project] HelpSystem (was Documentation Team)

2010-04-21 Thread laurent laffont
Yes, Python documentation is really impressive, the best I know. May be we can go the other way, from HelpSystem to web. I've tried something like some months ago.ex: http://magaloma.seasidehosting.st/Collections-Streams. So we can have a documentation page like http://docs.python.org/py3k/ with:

[Pharo-project] I will restart the integration over the week-end

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I was in pharo integration desintoxication phase :) We will have to fix it somehow. but this is cool to see people pushing fixes. Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listin

[Pharo-project] About help

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi pharo Gofer new squeaksource: 'HelpSystem'; version: 'HelpSystem-Core-tbn.35'; load and enjoy HelpBrowser openOn: SystemReference HelpBrowser openOn: (SystemReference forClass: Integer) HelpBrowser openOn: (SystemReference hierarchyFor: Integer) HelpBrowser o

Re: [Pharo-project] Fix 2329 - Default MC Directory Setting

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Woah This sounds really really cool. Alain is our setting expert and we gotstuck on the how do write a setting chapter. So I'm happy other people like you push this further. Setf > In Inbox. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2329. > > Details: > > > Michael Roberts-2 wrote: >

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread John M McIntosh
Phil, last week I asked the smalltalk community (ESUG etc), to stay claim and wait for Apple to think about it based on an email exchange I had with Steve Jobs. At the time I thought it prudent to wait a further decision or statement. Give that Wired publish Alan & my thoughts on the matter i

Re: [Pharo-project] HelpSystem (was Documentation Team)

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Roberts
Laurent, i think this is a tension that a number of us feel. should we put documentation in the colab book, or in the system? For me the two are distinct. The book, ultimately, should read as a book. That is there is a logical flow from start to finish and the content is consistent, from start to

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread stephane ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Phil (list) wrote: > I've been surprised that I haven't seen any statement from ESUG re: how these > policies negatively impact the future prospects for Smalltalk on the > iPhone/iPad and the investments they've made in the platform to date that > Apple seems will

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread stephane ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 10:26 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > > On 2010-04-21, at 1:13 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: > >> Good! >> John in future version it may be good to mention that ESUG supported this VM >> work for the iphone. >> >> STef > > Yes, I did conduct a magazine interview today where I

Re: [Pharo-project] HelpSystem (was Documentation Team)

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Torsten may be you should trun your explanation mail into a book section on book.pharo-project.org because it was cool. > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2010-April/024857.html I think that HelpSystem will be an important piece of Pharo. And I was planning to push it into 1.1

Re: [Pharo-project] Some more dev on Polymorph for DrGeo

2010-04-21 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
I would love to. In the meantime you may find the code instructing, starting from the DrGeo class you can follow to the polymorph use. Hilaire Simon Denier a écrit : It looks good already. It would be great if you could share your tips and tricks for Polymorph in the Pharo book ;) On 21 avr

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > Hi all, > > So it's time for me to stop lurking and do some stuff. However, although I am > an experienced Smalltalk programmer (VisualAge Smalltalk continuously since > 1995), I am a complete newb when it comes to Pharo and Squeak, i

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread Phil (list)
I've been surprised that I haven't seen any statement from ESUG re: how these policies negatively impact the future prospects for Smalltalk on the iPhone/iPad and the investments they've made in the platform to date that Apple seems willing to wipe out. Wouldn't now be a good time to try t

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread John M McIntosh
On 2010-04-21, at 1:13 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: > Good! > John in future version it may be good to mention that ESUG supported this VM > work for the iphone. > > STef Yes, I did conduct a magazine interview today where I ensured I did mentioned that ESUG funding was instrumental in gettin

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> thisContext is a special object for representing an activation in a >> stack frame in a stack-based VM. > > Actually "thisContext" represents *the current* activation/stack-frame. > >foo: anObject > ^ thisContext at: 1 > > is the

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread stephane ducasse
Good! John in future version it may be good to mention that ESUG supported this VM work for the iphone. STef On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:12 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > Morning, I've posted the letter I had posted to the Apple developer forums > and sent to Steve Jobs at > > http://www.mobilewikis

Re: [Pharo-project] Doc about Coral?

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
well this is in a bad taste but you can by loading Gofer new squeaksource: 'Coral'; load CoralLoader load I did not try in 1.1 let me know if you succeed Now I'm too busy to push it but I should argh. Syntax is like that: [ Point < #ColoredPoint iv: 'color';

[Pharo-project] Fix 2329 - Default MC Directory Setting

2010-04-21 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
In Inbox. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2329. Details: Michael Roberts-2 wrote: > > I appreciate I hijacked this thread somewhat > That's it - I'm pissed and I'm taking my damn thread back ;-) Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?i

Re: [Pharo-project] HelpSystem (was Documentation Team)

2010-04-21 Thread laurent laffont
Hi, It's cool to have so many interests in documentation. I deeply think it's a key point to success. As an hobbyist contributor to Pharo documentation :) I wonder whether I should write doc in HelpSystem (which indeed is very cool !) or in the collaborator active book (which is very attractive f

Re: [Pharo-project] Some more dev on Polymorph for DrGeo

2010-04-21 Thread Simon Denier
It looks good already. It would be great if you could share your tips and tricks for Polymorph in the Pharo book ;) On 21 avr. 2010, at 18:36, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Known to work with Pharo 1.0. > > Someone asked for a more elaborated UI for DrGeo, here are some progresses in > this pol

Re: [Pharo-project] Why does datedVersion appear in both SmalltalkImage and SystemVersion?

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
And because we should continue to shake the trees to get the bad fruits done. >> Why does datedVersion appear in both SmalltalkImage and SystemVersion? >> >> SmalltalkImage delegates to SystemVersion. Why have both? >> >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n4.nabble.com/W

Re: [Pharo-project] We already have the selected projects and students!

2010-04-21 Thread stephane ducasse
Thanks you and janko for your energy to carry this adventure in presence of pain in the asses like me :) Stef (I know I'm a pain) On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi folks. First of all, let me apologize for being quite offline the last > weeks and for not helping to

Re: [Pharo-project] Some more dev on Polymorph for DrGeo

2010-04-21 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Alexandre Bergel a écrit : I did a 'ConfigurationOfDrGeo load ' Oh, and this one does not work, bad. Anyway try the latest one #185 from Squeaksource, it is a moving target so there are no ConfigurationOfDrGeo for it Hilaire Alexandre On 21 Apr 2010, at 15:21, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:

Re: [Pharo-project] Some more dev on Polymorph for DrGeo

2010-04-21 Thread Alexandre Bergel
I did a 'ConfigurationOfDrGeo load ' Alexandre On 21 Apr 2010, at 15:21, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: Hum, I see strange info related to Flap, should be gone. Did you install version #185? Hilaire Alexandre Bergel a écrit : Hi Hilaire, I gave a try, but I bumped into an error: PastUpMorph>>a

Re: [Pharo-project] Some more dev on Polymorph for DrGeo

2010-04-21 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Hum, I see strange info related to Flap, should be gone. Did you install version #185? Hilaire Alexandre Bergel a écrit : Hi Hilaire, I gave a try, but I bumped into an error: PastUpMorph>>adaptToWorld: send a message adaptToWorld: to an instance of EventHandler, which is not defined. I atta

Re: [Pharo-project] Some more dev on Polymorph for DrGeo

2010-04-21 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Hilaire, I gave a try, but I bumped into an error: PastUpMorph>>adaptToWorld: send a message adaptToWorld: to an instance of EventHandler, which is not defined. I attached a log. I tried on a OSX with a Pharo-1.0-10517-rc4dev10.04.1. If I have a wrong config, let me know. I would like to

[Pharo-project] We already have the selected projects and students!

2010-04-21 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Hi folks. First of all, let me apologize for being quite offline the last weeks and for not helping too much. I had some personal stuff to do ;) Fortunately, Janko could take care of it and keep it rolling. Thanks a lot Janko. Here are what all of you want to know: the final results of voting for

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread John M McIntosh
Morning, I've posted the letter I had posted to the Apple developer forums and sent to Steve Jobs at http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Interpreters.html I'll suggest there was some lifting of concept and quotes by Wired from letter. As of this morning I have no further news, I have heard thru v

[Pharo-project] HelpSystem (was Documentation Team)

2010-04-21 Thread Torsten Bergmann
To clearify a few things from my side on the discussion on squeak-dev: 1. HelpSystem is working, if ASCII is OK for now we can use it Pharo/Squeak - otherwise I would see it as an early preview. I have clear goals how it should look like in the next iterations. For this more patie

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Lukas Renggli
> thisContext is a special object for representing an activation in a > stack frame in a stack-based VM. Actually "thisContext" represents *the current* activation/stack-frame. foo: anObject ^ thisContext at: 1 is the same as foo: anObject ^ anObject > There are two k

Re: [Pharo-project] Error when 'Loading 11313-Pha-CleaningCompilerTests...'

2010-04-21 Thread Henrik Johansen
On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:44 05PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > > Henrik Johansen wrote: >> >> "SqueakSource is currently down. We are sorry for the inconvenience and >> working on the problem. In the meantime you can still commit to a >> directory repository on your disk and later c

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
2010/4/21 Peter Hugosson-Miller : > Hi all, > So it's time for me to stop lurking and do some stuff. However, although I > am an experienced Smalltalk programmer (VisualAge Smalltalk continuously > since 1995), I am a complete newb when it comes to Pharo and Squeak, it's > hard to find my way aroun

Re: [Pharo-project] Some more dev on Polymorph for DrGeo

2010-04-21 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Just uploaded a latest snapshot for XMl support. Hilaire ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Henrik Johansen
On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:09 02PM, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > Hi all, > > So it's time for me to stop lurking and do some stuff. However, although I am > an experienced Smalltalk programmer (VisualAge Smalltalk continuously since > 1995), I am a complete newb when it comes to Pharo and Squeak,

[Pharo-project] Doc about Coral?

2010-04-21 Thread Nicolas Petton
Hi, I was wondering if there is some documentation about Coral? I would like to play a bit with it :) Cheers, Nico signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforg

Re: [Pharo-project] Error when 'Loading 11313-Pha-CleaningCompilerTests...'

2010-04-21 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Henrik Johansen wrote: > > "SqueakSource is currently down. We are sorry for the inconvenience and > working on the problem. In the meantime you can still commit to a > directory repository on your disk and later copy the versions to > SqueakSource." > Oh, thanks. I

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Roberts
thisContext reifies the activation contexts (if that is the exact way to describe it?). I don't believe you have it in VA. So you can just walk it. If you look for some of the fatal error handling logic you can see how the debug log is written out on crash containing the stack. Cheers mike On Wedn

[Pharo-project] Some more dev on Polymorph for DrGeo

2010-04-21 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
Known to work with Pharo 1.0. Someone asked for a more elaborated UI for DrGeo, here are some progresses in this polymorphization of DrGeo. In its latest Monticello package one can grab DrGeo at http://www.squeaksource.com/DrGeoII See enclosed screenshot for a quick view. To start a DrGeo in

Re: [Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Peter, Welcome aboard! IMHO, this is a fine place for the discussion that will hopefully result. Two links that I find useful are: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.pharo.devel http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general as they allow searching of the lists. Hav

Re: [Pharo-project] Why does datedVersion appear in both SmalltalkImage and SystemVersion?

2010-04-21 Thread Henrik Johansen
On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:21 40PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > Why does datedVersion appear in both SmalltalkImage and SystemVersion? > > SmalltalkImage delegates to SystemVersion. Why have both? > > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/Why-does-datedVersion-appear-i

[Pharo-project] Hints and clues for a Pharo newb

2010-04-21 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Hi all, So it's time for me to stop lurking and do some stuff. However, although I am an experienced Smalltalk programmer (VisualAge Smalltalk continuously since 1995), I am a complete newb when it comes to Pharo and Squeak, it's hard to find my way around, and it's going to take me some time to g

[Pharo-project] Why does datedVersion appear in both SmalltalkImage and SystemVersion?

2010-04-21 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Why does datedVersion appear in both SmalltalkImage and SystemVersion? SmalltalkImage delegates to SystemVersion. Why have both? Sean -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Why-does-datedVersion-appear-in-both-SmalltalkImage-and-SystemVersion-tp2019137p2019137.html Sent from th

Re: [Pharo-project] FEATURE: User chooses preferred location for MC directory repositories

2010-04-21 Thread Chris Muller
Environment variables can be interrogated, at least in Linux (perhaps other OS's, I haven't tried), via OSProcess: OSProcess thisOSProcess environment Hope that helps.. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > i'm not sure what either of you mean. I want there to be no UI choi

Re: [Pharo-project] setting a custom header for HTTP via CurlPlugin

2010-04-21 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 21 April 2010 14:48, Saris Hein wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to get some stuff done with REST using Pharo. > So far, I am able to do GETs, but I am unable to do PUTs because the REST > service expects the content sent to be JSON. > For this to work, I need to set the Content-Type of the reques

Re: [Pharo-project] FEATURE: User chooses preferred location for MC directory repositories

2010-04-21 Thread Alexandre Bergel
I added this example in Monticello.tex, section repositories. Thanks Dale! Cheers, Alexandre On 21 Apr 2010, at 02:18, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: we should add that to the pharo book :) On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:42 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote: Sean, Don't know if this has already mentioned, but you

Re: [Pharo-project] setting a custom header for HTTP via CurlPlugin

2010-04-21 Thread Francois Stephany
The Cloudfork (amazon web services wrappers) guys propose two options: - SWHTTPClient - CurlPlugin I've never tested the former one, but you'll maybe find what you need ? http://code.google.com/p/cloudfork/wiki/InstallingForSqueak Having a version of the CurlPlugin that allows me to set a custo

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> Ah, OK. I guess it's really a question of perception. not perception. Just money. Give me three engineers full times during two years and you will not recognize pharo :) > The world in which I work is a bit different from the wonderful world of > Pharo (no sarcasm intended!), in that we can't

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Tudor Girba > wrote: > > Basically yes. > > > > It's not just for giving it to someone else, but also for yourself. The > idea is to qui

Re: [Pharo-project] setting a custom header for HTTP via CurlPlugin

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Saris Hein wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to get some stuff done with REST using Pharo. > So far, I am able to do GETs, but I am unable to do PUTs because the REST > service expects the content sent to be JSON. > For this to work, I need to set the Content-Type of the

[Pharo-project] setting a custom header for HTTP via CurlPlugin

2010-04-21 Thread Saris Hein
Hi, I am trying to get some stuff done with REST using Pharo. So far, I am able to do GETs, but I am unable to do PUTs because the REST service expects the content sent to be JSON. For this to work, I need to set the Content-Type of the request to 'application/json'. I have successfully installe

Re: [Pharo-project] FEATURE: User chooses preferred location for MC directory repositories

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
cool! On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Here http://book.pharo-project.org/book/TipsAndTricks/PharoRC > > Can someone adapt it for Windows ? > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Stéphane Ducasse > wrote: > Cool I will do that too. > Can

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Basically yes. > > It's not just for giving it to someone else, but also for yourself. The idea > is to quickly notice when tests change color (from green to red), so instead >

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > I'm trying to follow along with this discussion, but now I feel really stupid > :-( > > I've been using SUnit since 1998 (when it was still called > "BeckTestingFramework"), testingFramework on VW :) > and ever since "expected fail

Re: [Pharo-project] FEATURE: User chooses preferred location for MC directory repositories

2010-04-21 Thread laurent laffont
Here http://book.pharo-project.org/book/TipsAndTricks/PharoRC Can someone adapt it for Windows ? Cheers, Laurent Laffont On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Cool I will do that too. > Can you create a book entry with that because this is cool :) > > Stef > > On Apr 21,

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] Running Alien on Windows

2010-04-21 Thread David T. Lewis
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 09:23:36PM -0700, Andreas Raab wrote: > > On 4/20/2010 10:24 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > > > >Dont know what should be the next steps to get Alien > >into the Win32-VM code base. Maybe Andreas could tell > >you more. > > Perhaps David and/or Eliot can help? From my persp

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Basically yes. > > It's not just for giving it to someone else, but also for yourself. The > idea is to quickly notice when tests change color (from green to red), so > instead of remembering how many failed before and comparing with the curr

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Tudor Girba
Basically yes. It's not just for giving it to someone else, but also for yourself. The idea is to quickly notice when tests change color (from green to red), so instead of remembering how many failed before and comparing with the current number of failures, you simply mark them as expected

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Thanks for answering, Doru! So if I've understood you correctly, expected failures are useful when one wants to give some code to someone else, with all the tests running green, but at the same time let that person know that some specific tests are really still red, but known about. In other words

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, The idea behind this is that you can use unit tests to document things you have not done yet, or bugs that you know about but you do not want to spend time working on right now. Simply reverting the assertion in your test does make the test runner green, but it fails to document the i

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
I'm trying to follow along with this discussion, but now I feel really stupid :-( I've been using SUnit since 1998 (when it was still called "BeckTestingFramework"), and ever since "expected failures" showed up, I've never understood them. So I wonder if some kind guru-like person could please exp

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
We should have a look at what adrian did now the problem is that understanding a large set of changes is more difficult than a couple of simple ones. If somebody want to help we are open. Stef > I think Adrian Kuhn did that in his SUnit work. I also remember he also > introduced a difference b

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Tudor Girba
I think Adrian Kuhn did that in his SUnit work. I also remember he also introduced a difference between expectedFailures and expectedErrors. Doru On 21 Apr 2010, at 10:16, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: Yea, I agree, the GUI is suboptimal.

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Yea, I agree, the GUI is suboptimal. > > I still think, though, that treating this case as a failure is correct. For > instance, consider the case where you had added a workaround to a known bug > and when the bug is fixed you need to remov

[Pharo-project] Next smalltalk meetup cologne in june

2010-04-21 Thread Norbert Hartl
Please join us on the 10th of June for the next Cologne Smalltalk User Meetup. Anyone interested in Smalltalk is invited, regardless if you only recently discovered the magic of doing things the Smalltalk way, are a die hard VM-Hacker, want to share your experience on web-development in Seaside

Re: [Pharo-project] what expectedfailures expected to do?

2010-04-21 Thread Adrian Lienhard
Yea, I agree, the GUI is suboptimal. I still think, though, that treating this case as a failure is correct. For instance, consider the case where you had added a workaround to a known bug and when the bug is fixed you need to remove the workaround again. Maybe it even leads to a wrong behavior

Re: [Pharo-project] FEATURE: User chooses preferred location for MC directory repositories

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Roberts
That's cool but we should look to resolve the rc file or env variables in the image then it doesn't rely on correctly configuring the command line invocation. shouldn't be too hard. I appreciate I hijacked this thread somewhat Cheers mike On Wednesday, April 21, 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

Re: [Pharo-project] FFI in 1.1

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:09 AM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> 2010/4/20 John M McIntosh >> Well I asked for it... >> >> (a) you can get graphic cut/copy/paste of complex data on the macintosh and >> windows. >> >> (b) I'd rat

Re: [Pharo-project] FFI in 1.1

2010-04-21 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:09 AM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > Hi All, > > 2010/4/20 John M McIntosh > Well I asked for it... > > (a) you can get graphic cut/copy/paste of complex data on the macintosh and > windows. > > (b) I'd rather have people learn FFI & Alien so they can build their own api > t