I like that!
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 1:54 AM, S Krish
krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.com wrote:
Couple of screenshots of a usable code browser, does well for my use
for now.. need to bring in the basic refactoring, variables text box
under the class tree, in the middle.
Feels lot more
it sounds like having a couple interesting features.
In system browsers I always felt missing the feature of a good tree component
(where the whole hierarchy is always available) while finding the packages pane
a terrible use of screen's real state.
How can I install this to play around?
On 2 March 2012 17:53, Sebastian Sastre sebast...@flowingconcept.com wrote:
it sounds like having a couple interesting features.
In system browsers I always felt missing the feature of a good tree
component (where the whole hierarchy is always available) while finding the
packages pane a
the three buttons right to code pane is takin too much space..
i'd rather put them as an overlay on top of text pane.
On 2 March 2012 20:48, S Krish krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.com wrote:
...
One can tweak the code to show the first tree right upto a class level and
eliminate the middle
it looks cool.
Continue to polish it because it could be a nice alternative.
Stef
On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, S Krish wrote:
Couple of screenshots of a usable code browser, does well for my use
for now.. need to bring in the basic refactoring, variables text box
under the class tree, in
Hi,
I was not criticizing your solution. I was actually asking for help :).
I would like to get a text morph in the tree and have it scale both
horizontally to fill the available space, and vertically to
accommodate the entire text. I show the example with the
GeneralScrollPane because I managed
On 29 February 2012 13:14, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
I was not criticizing your solution. I was actually asking for help :).
I would like to get a text morph in the tree and have it scale both
horizontally to fill the available space, and vertically to
accommodate the
Sure I understood that, I am still just month and a half of dabbling in
morphic, that i am still learning I do not take any comments amiss.
Thx
On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
I was not criticizing your solution. I was actually asking for
Hi,
Thanks for the explanation.
I took a look. calculateExtent is triggered when you create the TextMorph. This
is nice, but I am interested in getting the TextMorph to always expand to fill
the width of the surrounding element, and to expand vertically according to the
text :).
Here is a
On 28 Feb 2012, at 09:03, Tudor Girba wrote:
Here is a variation of what I am thinking about with just a simple list of
morphs within a GeneralScrollPane:
https://gist.github.com/1930477
http://ws.stfx.eu/8OCB6Z56XGVI
;-)
Sure.. that is fine.. for the use case you state
Mine is quick n dirty hack to what I wanted:
but my use case is I do wish to have more of these sources partially
visible through the vertical pane. so I restrain it to max of 210.. and
width of 600 to be able to to throw up another pane next to
Also on need basis expand to full size/ larger size is how I look at it..
but yours is a better code to adapt to.. even for the #calculateTextExtent
for a) show minimal ht. b) show expanded state upto 600 and c) full expand
as you explain
this should be configurable.. and flexible on a button
It was an innocent mistake. My apologies :)
Doru
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 09:03, Tudor Girba wrote:
Here is a variation of what I am thinking about with just a simple list of
morphs within a GeneralScrollPane:
On 28 February 2012 09:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote:
On 28 Feb 2012, at 09:03, Tudor Girba wrote:
Here is a variation of what I am thinking about with just a simple list of
morphs within a GeneralScrollPane:
https://gist.github.com/1930477
http://ws.stfx.eu/8OCB6Z56XGVI
Definitely. If we take Amber for example, how is Amber interesting? To me it
is about being able to build HTML5 stuff in Smalltalk but also in a
Smalltalk way which means interactively in a Smalltalk live IDE.
So is Amber the end-all-final-solution? Of course not! But it has its niche
this looks really nice.
I would really like to see if we cannot include a version so that people can
browse change set and other code like that.
I'm really happy to see that the work done by alain and ben around treeMorph
pays off that well.
Stef
Can take the latest of the package..
How can I open it?
(MorphicViewNewPackageBrowser new packageNames: 'UIManager'; yourself)
openInWorld
does not work
Stef
On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this looks really nice.
I would really like to see if we cannot include a version so that people can
browse change
MorphicViewNewPackageBrowser new packageNames: #('UIManager') ; open
But it does not look that nice :)
On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this looks really nice.
I would really like to see if we cannot include a version so that people can
browse change set and other code
Hi,
I gave it a try. I am not necessarily looking for the looks as for the solution
to make the text editor within the tree span horizontally and vertically with
the size of the method. Unfortunately, this does not work in this example,
either.
Does anyone have ideas of how to make it work?
The theme is set to Watery 2
Sudhakar krishnamachari
Extn 91-40403012
Cell 9902104814
On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:13 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
MorphicViewNewPackageBrowser new packageNames: #('UIManager') ; open
But it does not look that nice :)
On Feb 27,
It does have the code to calculateTextExtent. You can modify it the way you
want.
The height is defaulted to a max 210 and fixed 600. But on expand it goes to
max ht of 600
Modify the logic in that method as you want it to
On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:42 AM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Of course the other parts of Tabbed Pane and the side docking toolbar are part
of the PharoTabletIDE and PharpMorphicView + PharoApplicationFramework modules.
Will release a playable image shortly with all of it packaged, though not
cleanly coded.. So once I have it cleaned will release those
Hi hannes
I tried to understand the purpose of your emails but I could not.
- So do you suggest that we all stop Smalltalk and move to javascript?
- What is your motivation?
- This is good for us to know that but then so what?
- Does it help us anyhow to make
On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi hannes
I tried to understand the purpose of your emails but I could not.
- So do you suggest that we all stop Smalltalk and move to javascript?
- What is your motivation?
- This is good for us to know that but
On 26 February 2012 11:33, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi hannes
I tried to understand the purpose of your emails but I could not.
- So do you suggest that we all stop Smalltalk and move to javascript?
- What
Hopefully this should be good to play on a Pharo 1.3 image.
It does not work, as expected, in Pharo 1.4 image.. as
MorphTreeColumn
rowMorphFor: aNode
the rowMorphGetSelector defaults to nil in Pharo 1.3.. !. but is a block
Pharo 1.4.. can hack this to see the same effect..
I have a hacked..
thanks :)
Stef
On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:08 PM, S Krish wrote:
Hopefully this should be good to play on a Pharo 1.3 image.
It does not work, as expected, in Pharo 1.4 image.. as
MorphTreeColumn
rowMorphFor: aNode
the rowMorphGetSelector defaults to nil in Pharo 1.3.. !. but is a block
Will hive this off to a new package.. rather than tacking it to the
PackageTreeExample.
My primary prototype involved a SimpleMorphicView.. which I hived off.. but
on my image this combined with TabbedPane is a great time saver in
navigations..
This is particularly helpful in keyboard navigation
Hi folks!
On 02/26/2012 11:33 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi hannes
I tried to understand the purpose of your emails but I could not.
- So do you suggest that we all stop Smalltalk and move to javascript?
- What is your
Hi,
I tried to load it but it does not work because PharoMorphicObject is missing.
Could you add this code to some repository instead of sending it by mail? With
this occasion you would make the license clear as well :)
Cheers,
Doru
On 26 Feb 2012, at 17:08, S Krish wrote:
Hopefully this
Sure I will do that
Sudhakar krishnamachari
Extn 91-40403012
Cell 9902104814
On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
I tried to load it but it does not work because PharoMorphicObject is missing.
Could you add this code to some repository instead
http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoGoodies
Name: PackageTree-Browser-Experiment-skrish.1
Pharo 1.3 compatible
May require overriding/ hack MorphTreeColumnrowMorphFor: ..
..
rowMorph := aNode rowMorphForColumn: self.
...
to make it work for 1.4 till I figure out cleaner way.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012
On 1/18/12, Fernando Olivero fernando.oliv...@usi.ch wrote:
Dennis, your screenshots are awesome, hope remains for a direct
manipulation framework such as Morphic to beet lesser and boring
standard UI WIDGETS frameworks.
And by the way, Morphic isnt ours..it comes from a groundbreaking
can you send the code that we play with it because I would like to learn how
you do that.
Stef
On Feb 24, 2012, at 7:02 PM, S Krish wrote:
I love Pharo's ability to mould/ twist in spare time something that is
imminently usable..
Just playing around over an hour plus, I find this tree
A simple runtime example (runs directly in the web browser), the
JavaScript code (with a short introduction) and the documentation are
all in the three links given in the previous mail.
Please note that it is a simple implementation of Morphic. The the
code has a neat look and is very readable.
Another screenshot; (in user mode certain code snippets may be executed).
A back translation to Smalltalk would surely be an interesting
learning experience for somebody and might be useful for other things
(e.g. for Amber).
--Hannes
On 2/25/12, H. Hirzel hannes.hir...@gmail.com wrote:
A
looks nice. Except from 1-sec GC pauses on FireFox.
Our VMs run same things much much smoother :)
On 25 February 2012 21:13, H. Hirzel hannes.hir...@gmail.com wrote:
A simple runtime example (runs directly in the web browser), the
JavaScript code (with a short introduction) and the
BTW, which version of FF?
Yes, it is probably slower that a native Morphic plus VM. I just used Opera.
The other side of course is that you do not need to deploy anything.
Exciting to have a Morphic experience in a regular web site with a
download of a text file of 213kB. The JavaScript engines
On 25 February 2012 21:48, H. Hirzel hannes.hir...@gmail.com wrote:
BTW, which version of FF?
well, it updates itself quite frequently nowadays.. i just can tell
that it is one of most recent ones.
Yes, it is probably slower that a native Morphic plus VM. I just used Opera.
The other side of
I can't wait to give it a try.
Doru
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Fernando Olivero
fernando.oliv...@usi.ch wrote:
I would like to contribute to this discussions, since is related to my
work. I've really enjoyed the discussion on this thread on
enhancements or full replacements to the
omg.. i like that.
what i would add is that depending on workflow, sometime i would like to have
standard view for usual navigation, tree view for focusing on some
specific class/package
and bubble view for focusing on some concrete exemplar (be it method
or class or inspector)..
that means that
good idea!
Stef
On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Frank Shearar wrote:
Well, me! One thing that would make my life considerably easier is a
MessageSet-like browser that flattened the methods, so they were
displayed one above the other - simulating a text file, in other
words. So many times I
I hope you've seen CodeBubbles[0]...
Wouldn't it be better something like that? If you want to see more
than one method (understandable situation), you open multiple method
views and that's it. Seeing a whole class as a file doesn't solve
much of the problem: nothing guarantees the methods you
Sure we know.
And we also know that it requires effort and lot of people are talking.
Stef
On Feb 23, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Matias Garcia Isaia wrote:
I hope you've seen CodeBubbles[0]...
Wouldn't it be better something like that? If you want to see more
than one method (understandable
On 23 February 2012 19:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
Sure we know.
And we also know that it requires effort and lot of people are talking.
are *just* talking.
:)
Stef
On Feb 23, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Matias Garcia Isaia wrote:
I hope you've seen CodeBubbles[0]...
Hi,
Gaucho goes in a direction similar to codebubbles.
I'm just waiting Fernando to finish his thesis, then we can prey on his work ;)
best,
Esteban
El 23/02/2012, a las 4:22p.m., Igor Stasenko escribió:
On 23 February 2012 19:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
Sure we
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Matias Garcia Isaia mgarciais...@gmail.com
wrote:
I hope you've seen CodeBubbles[0]...
Nooo!!! he comes from Java!! he starts with index 0. Kill him!!! ;)
Just kidding, I know him :)
Wouldn't it be better something like that? If you want to see more
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
marianop...@gmail.com wrote:
Nooo!!! he comes from Java!! he starts with index 0. Kill him!!! ;)
Ooops... Time to get a new identity :)
On 23 February 2012 19:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
Sure we know.
And we
On 24 February 2012 00:18, Matias Garcia Isaia mgarciais...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
marianop...@gmail.com wrote:
Nooo!!! he comes from Java!! he starts with index 0. Kill him!!! ;)
Ooops... Time to get a new identity :)
On 23 February 2012
On 22 Feb 2012, at 21:52, Frank Shearar wrote:
But I think such a plugin would be missing the point. What I want is
to be able to see a lot more source on my screen than one method at a
time. Do you remember the Whisker Browser a few years ago? It let you
view and edit multiple methods at a
On 22 February 2012 21:12, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote:
On 22 Feb 2012, at 21:52, Frank Shearar wrote:
But I think such a plugin would be missing the point. What I want is
to be able to see a lot more source on my screen than one method at a
time. Do you remember the Whisker
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.comwrote:
On 22 February 2012 21:12, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote:
On 22 Feb 2012, at 21:52, Frank Shearar wrote:
But I think such a plugin would be missing the point. What I want is
to be able to see a
On 22 Feb 2012, at 22:12, Stefan Marr wrote:
Is there actually anyone who would be interested to break with the
Smalltalk's traditional approach?
Of course, there is :).
Even more than that. As I announced several times before, I would be interested
in collaborating and synchronizing the
On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Stefan Marr wrote:
On 22 Feb 2012, at 21:52, Frank Shearar wrote:
But I think such a plugin would be missing the point. What I want is
to be able to see a lot more source on my screen than one method at a
time. Do you remember the Whisker Browser a few years
On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Stefan Marr wrote:
On 22 Feb 2012, at 21:52, Frank Shearar wrote:
But I think such a plugin would be missing the point. What I want is
to be able to see a lot more source on my screen than one method at a
time. Do you remember the Whisker Browser a few years
On 20 January 2012 03:37, Jimmie Houchin jlhouc...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/17/2012 2:57 PM, Frank Shearar wrote:
Emacs + SLIME = image-based, interactive development. As image-based
as you'd like, at least. Eclipse + Cusp = image-based development:
you're connecting to a running Common Lisp
On 1/17/2012 2:57 PM, Frank Shearar wrote:
Emacs + SLIME = image-based, interactive development. As image-based
as you'd like, at least. Eclipse + Cusp = image-based development:
you're connecting to a running Common Lisp image, which you can
snapshot and restore any time you like (just like
On 1/18/2012 12:19 AM, Friedrich Dominicus wrote:
Jimmie Houchinjlhouc...@gmail.com writes:
I am all for improving our editing experience. But I want it in my
image and not in Emacs/vi. I would rather see our world improved than
to see it require an external editor which sees code as text,
On 16 January 2012 11:15, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 09:59, Lawson English lengli...@cox.net wrote:
On 1/15/12 6:44 PM, Jimmie Houchin wrote:
On 1/15/2012 6:55 AM, Gerry Weaver wrote:
Hi Andreas,
I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an
On 17 January 2012 06:34, Jimmie Houchin jlhouc...@gmail.com wrote:
I have limited rights to be heard here because I have been a part of the
Squeak/Pharo community for a long time. I have less rights than others
because I haven't contributed anything of consequence. Others who have been
here
On 18 January 2012 07:19, Friedrich Dominicus
fr...@q-software-solutions.de wrote:
Jimmie Houchin jlhouc...@gmail.com writes:
I am all for improving our editing experience. But I want it in my
image and not in Emacs/vi. I would rather see our world improved than
to see it require an external
Denis
could we put your screenshots on our web site?
Stef
On Jan 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote:
2012/1/18 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com
Ah yes another thing which wouuld be nice to have something with one can
understand without studying it for years and repeated
I think yes.
But our organisation dont want to share smalltalk roots of this products :(.
So it is just screenshots
2012/1/18 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr
Denis
could we put your screenshots on our web site?
Stef
On Jan 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote:
Ok we can simply put some screenshots because there look like.
Stef
I think yes.
But our organisation dont want to share smalltalk roots of this products :(.
So it is just screenshots
2012/1/18 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr
Denis
could we put your screenshots on our web
Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com writes:
The editor in Pharo suits my needs pretty well.
I do not use it for editing rich text , i use it for coding. 5 lines
of code per method. Period.
Well for programming this is true, but even as programmer you type text
quite often. This e.g is written
On 18 January 2012 16:13, Friedrich Dominicus
fr...@q-software-solutions.de wrote:
Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com writes:
The editor in Pharo suits my needs pretty well.
I do not use it for editing rich text , i use it for coding. 5 lines
of code per method. Period.
Well for programming
On 1/16/2012 4:43 PM, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 16 January 2012 20:08, Sean P. DeNigriss...@clipperadams.com wrote:
After pounding at the system and countless books/articles/keynotes, I get
that Smalltalk is a vision, not a syntax. Fortunately, I was hooked from the
beginning by Alan Kay's TED
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.comwrote:
Frank,
I agree with what you said EXCEPT that I don't see the NIH mentality in
Smalltalk. What I do see, and have seen a lot of over the years, is people
coming in and banging on Smalltalk's differences without taking
On 17 January 2012 03:20, blake dsblakewat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com
wrote:
Frank,
I agree with what you said EXCEPT that I don't see the NIH mentality in
Smalltalk. What I do see, and have seen a lot of over the years, is
On 01/16/2012 09:08 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Hopefully, one of the converts will finally implement vi bindings in the
image development tools before I get around to doing the work ;-)
Just a silly note, but I presume you have already investigated:
http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/SVI
image, more like construct a tent and tear it down. (It makes me angry
that I can sometimes feel more productive writing Ruby in Emacs than
in Squeak/Pharo! Why can I not have BOTH a world-class text editor AND
live in an image (when I choose to)?))
This is why I want Coral.
Stef
Am 17.01.2012 um 13:26 schrieb Frank Shearar:
On 17 January 2012 03:20, blake dsblakewat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com
wrote:
Frank,
I agree with what you said EXCEPT that I don't see the NIH mentality in
Smalltalk. What I
On 17 January 2012 20:16, Andreas Wacknitz a.wackn...@gmx.de wrote:
Am 17.01.2012 um 13:26 schrieb Frank Shearar:
On 17 January 2012 03:20, blake dsblakewat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com
wrote:
Frank,
I agree with what you
Jimmie Houchin jlhouc...@gmail.com writes:
I am all for improving our editing experience. But I want it in my
image and not in Emacs/vi. I would rather see our world improved than
to see it require an external editor which sees code as text, not
objects, where different external editors have
hi guys
this was a lively discussion. Now it you want to improve our system, you can do
it!.
Did you see my easy to guess wonderful subliminal message?
We have no problem of vision just lack of manpower. I always wanted the best of
both worlds: a scriptable system with a
syntax for VI lovers
Ah yes another thing which wouuld be nice to have something with one can
understand without studying it for years and repeated tries. A simple
way of building somewhat resembling GUI applications in Pharo/Squeak. Ah
yes flame me that I do appreciate the fantastic Morph world. It's so
On 1/15/12 6:44 PM, Jimmie Houchin wrote:
On 1/15/2012 6:55 AM, Gerry Weaver wrote:
Hi Andreas,
I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an application in
different languages.
Typically the disadvantages overweigh the advantages to do so as you
would have different languages and
On 16 January 2012 09:59, Lawson English lengli...@cox.net wrote:
On 1/15/12 6:44 PM, Jimmie Houchin wrote:
On 1/15/2012 6:55 AM, Gerry Weaver wrote:
Hi Andreas,
I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an application in
different languages.
Typically the disadvantages
Thanks jimmie :)
You summarize well some of my thoughts.
Stef going back to talk to an image with one process and no ui and trying to
get a repl so that I can debug
our 3.2 mb image :).
Yes the way to bootstrapping is slow :)
On 1/15/2012 6:55 AM, Gerry Weaver wrote:
Hi Andreas,
I am
After pounding at the system and countless books/articles/keynotes, I get
that Smalltalk is a vision, not a syntax. Fortunately, I was hooked from the
beginning by Alan Kay's TED Talk, so I enthusiastically pushed through the
pain of adapting to the image, losing my vi bindings, etc. If it was
On 16 January 2012 20:08, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
After pounding at the system and countless books/articles/keynotes, I get
that Smalltalk is a vision, not a syntax. Fortunately, I was hooked from the
beginning by Alan Kay's TED Talk, so I enthusiastically pushed through
On 17/01/12 09:43, Frank Shearar wrote:
I've been biting my tongue for a while now in this thread. Please
don't take this the wrong way, we're all interested in the same
wonderful language and environment, and so on.
Compulsory disclaimer: I love Smalltalk. I used to write it for a living
.. I've dug my foxhole and I'm in it with my helmet on. Fire away!
Thanks,
Gerry
-Original Message-
From: Gastón Dall' Oglio gaston.dallog...@gmail.com
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Date: 01/14/12 10:06
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE
Hi:
On 15 Jan 2012, at 09:53, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 15 January 2012 04:22, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
* a TCP-based interface in the Smalltalk image
Okay.. I've dug my foxhole and I'm in it with my helmet on. Fire away!
I hope you guys are aware of Spoon:
!
Thanks,
Gerry
-Original Message-
From: Gastón Dall' Oglio gaston.dallog...@gmail.com
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Date: 01/14/12 10:06
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE
On 15 January 2012 09:08, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote:
Hi:
On 15 Jan 2012, at 09:53, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 15 January 2012 04:22, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
* a TCP-based interface in the Smalltalk image
Okay.. I've dug my foxhole and I'm in it with my helmet
Hi Frank,
I have a minor nit here: it's not an image that's the problem, it's
living in the image.
Yes. This is pretty much what I was thinking about. Thanks for the
clarification.
Lisps are image-based systems, but one tends to construct one's
working image from a base image + extras.
On 15 January 2012 09:40, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
Hi Frank,
I have a minor nit here: it's not an image that's the problem, it's
living in the image.
Yes. This is pretty much what I was thinking about. Thanks for the
clarification.
Lisps are image-based systems, but one
Hi Lawson,
Ironically, almost every newbie smalltalk programmer I know LIKES the IDE and
thinks it is better than anything out there.
I think this would largely depend on your background and experience. There is a
whole class of developers that refuse to use anything, but vi and emacs. Once
Am 15.01.2012 um 05:22 schrieb Gerry Weaver:
Hello All,
First, let me apologize for starting the Delphi thing. I only mentioned it as
an example IDE layout. I was not trying to say that the internal workings of
it were good, bad, or indifferent.
I have spent some time playing around
Am 15.01.2012 um 11:16 schrieb Gerry Weaver:
Hi Lawson,
Ironically, almost every newbie smalltalk programmer I know LIKES the IDE
and thinks it is better than anything out there.
I think this would largely depend on your background and experience. There is
a whole class of developers
Hi Andreas,
Proposals like yours aren't new. In fact there are also complementary
proposals like give up that strange syntax and introduce curly braces
Combined that will lead to either C# or Java.
I am not advocating any changes to the language.
From your ideas I only like the
Hi Andreas,
you are always writing Smalltalk IDE. Which Smalltalk variants do you know?
Squeak and Pharo are not the only ones. There are some others, some
commercial and some free.
If you haven't any experiences with them yet you should at least have a look
at them.
I have looked at Squeak,
Am 15.01.2012 um 12:11 schrieb Gerry Weaver:
Hi Andreas,
you are always writing Smalltalk IDE. Which Smalltalk variants do you
know? Squeak and Pharo are not the only ones. There are some others, some
commercial and some free.
If you haven't any experiences with them yet you should at
Hello All,
I think I have delivered the message that I intended to. Perhaps this thread
has run it's course. I appreciate y'all taking the time to respond. The
information you provided has been helpful. I have taken another look at the
Smalltalk XY project. It pretty much does everything I
Hi Andreas,
I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an application in
different languages.
Typically the disadvantages overweigh the advantages to do so as you would
have different languages and systems to master and update.
Interoperability with other systems and languages
Date: 01/14/12 10:06
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE alternative (was Misc. newbie questions)
Hello Blake.
I like discuss about Delphi, but I don't say much more here becouse this is a
Smalltalk list :)
2012/1/13 blake dsblakewat...@gmail.com
Gaston
Am 15.01.2012 um 13:55 schrieb Gerry Weaver:
Hi Andreas,
I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an application in
different languages.
Typically the disadvantages overweigh the advantages to do so as you would
have different languages and systems to master and update.
On 15 January 2012 12:23, Gerry Weaver ger...@compvia.com wrote:
Hello All,
I think I have delivered the message that I intended to. Perhaps this thread
has run it's course. I appreciate y'all taking the time to respond. The
information you provided has been helpful. I have taken another look
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From: Gastón Dall' Oglio gaston.dallog...@gmail.com
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Date: 01/14/12 10:06
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE alternative (was Misc. newbie questions)
Hello Blake.
I like discuss about Delphi, but I don't say much more here becouse
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