Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
Hi Offray Ad hominem comments never help. But we all make mistakes, we are not experts in Argumentation Theory, but I think we are learning from every discussion. Licensing has black void holes. I would prefer to read "GPL could result in lower feedback for your projects, because community size i

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
> > *From:* Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] *On > Behalf Of *Dimitris Chloupis > *Sent:* 08 September 2016 13:18 > *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing > > > > well he did apologize > > > >

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Johan Fabry
Dory, can your mail be put on the Pharo web page, the contributions part? It seems that with a bit of polishing it would fit in well there, and this way future discussions can point to that page. -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://email

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread PBKResearch
. Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Dimitris Chloupis Sent: 08 September 2016 13:18 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing well he did apologize

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Please let's move on. My motivation was trying to see the logic behind licenses in Pharo (not on popularity of GPL vs MIT), raised by a valid concern on free riding, enclosure of the commons and reciprocity, which is a hot topic with a lot of debate in free culture/knowledge communities. I lear

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
well he did apologize And these things do happen in all communities, I cannot begin to describe the poison I have received in the #common-lisp irc channel. One time also in their mailing list , some old member got annoyed for small reason with a begineer and he gave him code to delete his hard dri

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi Tudor, I recognize the impedance with mail as an expression medium and most of the time it was like you said, except when Stef addressed to me with "It is amazing how you like talking" (is this some kind of invitation to "just shut up!"? Is that a "remainder" I have not written enough code

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Offray, I am sorry you feel down. The wording of Stef did appear strong. However, please keep in mind that email is a terrible medium for expressing and transmitting feelings. I would kindly ask you to reconsider the emails and focus on the content and you will see that the wording was not

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Nice to know something good came out after taking all the heat. In my case I learn about licensing with the reasons behind and not "just take it!"... My sources of information, the main spec.st site, made my mistake about dual license a valid misinterpretation and even the idea that there are

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread stepharo
You can be proud of you. I'm proud of you and I can tell you that I really understand you. I can tell you that once I was tempted to change the license of my new books because bad people could just take everything. (yes this is silly when you read but I thought about it and we even discussed it

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-07 Thread Ben Coman
Hi Hernan, Thanks for your balanced response. Licensing discussion can be boring but also crucial, hence the sometimes religious views on it. Like a lot of things, from a distance it seems easy - but the devil is in the details. Consider anyway that "Territorial" may otherwise have been a singl

[Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-07 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
I consider GNU AGPL v3 a fair license choice which protects somehow authors. After some talks with friends today, I began to consider it useless for a niche community like Smalltalk *and* solo projects. I then read all your mails, many posts in other communities, and finally asked for advices. Conc