Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread horrido
True, some applications are very long-lived. But in my experience, a great many applications are EOL'd within 20 years. It may happen for many different reasons, some technical, some political, some because the technology has grown out of date (which causes HR and support difficulties). My point

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread John Pfersich
I don’t know if a 10 year lifespan is exceptional. I wrote an application in 1986 that’s still running. Development took 6 weeks. Including testing. // For encrypted mail use jgpfers...@protonmail.com Get a free account at ProtonMail.com Web: www.objectnets.net and

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread horrido
Personally I don't like the aesthetics, the pace of text and its "nostalgia", and the overall message of the song lyrics ; and although I like the band and song, it's a proven plagiarism of Satriani's "If I could fly". [1] Putting aside the song's controversy, I think it's a lovely aesthetic.

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread horrido
What is the intentend audience of this? I watched the video again, carefully, and here's my takeaway... The video is aimed at developers and would-be developers who: — have never heard of Smalltalk, or do not know anything significant about the language or its history — are not aware that

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread horrido
Hmmm, I apparently guessed wrong. :-( Richard Sargent wrote > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:16 PM BrunoBB > smalltalk@.com > wrote: > >> /Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't >> work >> anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. / >> >> How accurate is this ?

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:39 PM horrido wrote: > I've read a number of LinkedIn posts from Mariano Martínez Peck about > recent > innovations to VA Smalltalk, IIRC. Seems to me that Instantiations are > doing > a good job of innovating, too. > > Thanks Richard. Funny thing... I was typing my

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread horrido
I'm just guessing, but perhaps COSCO's acquisition of OOCL forced them to realign their software infrastructure. COSCO is obviously not a Smalltalk shop. This wouldn't be the first time an acquisition forced major corporate changes. Mariano Martinez Peck wrote > The last place was a few days

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Richard Sargent
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:16 PM BrunoBB wrote: > /Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't > work > anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. / > > How accurate is this ? > OOCL advanced their system to IRIS-4 (Oracle based) and was eventually bought by COSCO, a

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Hi Torsten, how are you? Please find my answers below. On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:37 PM Torsten Bergmann wrote: > >Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't > work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. > > Many things seem to be possible in times where talks

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread horrido
I've read a number of LinkedIn posts from Mariano Martínez Peck about recent innovations to VA Smalltalk, IIRC. Seems to me that Instantiations are doing a good job of innovating, too. Torsten Bergmann wrote >>Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't work

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
The last place was a few days ago: https://twitter.com/MartinClausen8/status/1157051595999404033 But... a whole longer discussion took place a few months ago...but I cannot find it now. On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:19 PM BrunoBB wrote: > Sorry, > > The main phrase: > > Today, we continue to reap

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread BrunoBB
Sorry, The main phrase: Today, we continue to reap the rewards of this remarkable system. regards, bruno -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread BrunoBB
/Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. / How accurate is this ? From: https://www.oocl.com/eng/aboutoocl/companyprofile/informationtechnology/Pages/default.aspx OOCL's Integrated Regional Information System,

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Torsten Bergmann
>Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't work >anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system.  Many things seem to be possible in times where talks like "How to get rid of Smalltalk" [1] will be presented on a Smalltalk conference (here ESUG 2019). Did commercial

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Esteban Maringolo
I'm not a native speaker but grammatically speaking "used" (simple past) means you did use it in the past but there is no information about whether you use it now, and "have been using" (present perfect) means you did use it in the past and continue to do so in the present. Esteban A. Maringolo

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Ben Coman
I didn't get the sense that "used" means its no longer being used. Yesterday I used a keyboard to write an email, and I'm doing the same thing today. cheers -ben On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 16:06, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to >

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Kapital is still operational - some of the guys on that team come to the UK Smalltalk Meetup and they are often talking about improvements and things they are doing (in a general sense, as obviously they can’t share specific details) - so its still very active and an amazing system. I had a

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Esteban Maringolo
What is the intentend audience of this? Personally I don't like the aesthetics, the pace of text and its "nostalgia", and the overall message of the song lyrics ; and although I like the band and song, it's a proven plagiarism of Satriani's "If I could fly". [1] Regards, [1]

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread horrido
Well, all software applications eventually meet their EOL. IRIS-2 had a good, long run. Note that the same thing applies to JWARS. It was EOL'd in 2010, but it was operational for over a decade. That's pretty damn good! None of this takes away from Smalltalk's efficacy and power. Mariano

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread horrido
"Used Smalltalk" doesn't imply that they stopped using Smalltalk, esp. if Kapital is still operational. Tim Mackinnon wrote > It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to > JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using > Smalltalk” (so it’s not in

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 05:06 Tim Mackinnon wrote: > It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to > JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-06 Thread Tim Mackinnon
It’s very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - it’s a shame it refers to JP-Morgan as “used Smalltalk “ as actually they are “still using Smalltalk” (so it’s not in the past) Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng > wrote: > > A big fan of my work created

[Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

2019-08-05 Thread Richard Kenneth Eng
A big fan of my work created this rogue video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it. It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my evangelism.