Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

At 17:12 29-7-2002, Thomas Seifert wrote: >On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:59:31 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sebastian Nohn) wrote: > > > We were running 4.0.4pl1 for more than one year, then we needed some new > > features and installed 4.1.2, 4.2.0, 4.2.1. No! We did'nt want to install > > 4.2.0 or 4.2.1 b

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

> -Original Message- > From: Xavier Spriet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:09 PM > To: Sebastian Nohn > Subject: RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ? > > > I think focus should be put to making sure the important bugs yo

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Sebastian Nohn wrote: > I don't _need_ a 4.2.3. I need a bug-free PHP version. 4.3.0 will bring a > lot of new features, so everything will start from the beginning again. New > features = new bugs. As I stated earlier, you are welcome to help ensure that this won't be the c

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

> -Original Message- > From: Dan Kalowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 5:13 PM > To: Sebastian Nohn > Cc: PHP Quality Assurance Team Mailing List; PHP Developers Mailing > List; Melvyn Sopacua > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE:

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

> Nobody needs 4.3 with 1000 new features, everybody needs a PHP Version that > has at least as few bugs as 4.0.4pl1. At least a 4.0.2pl1 fixing the so far > closed bugs would be great. I have _SERIOUS_ problems with theses bugs for > example: I would disagree with this statement. PHP 4-CVS curr

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:59:31 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sebastian Nohn) wrote: > Hi, > > > we released 4.2.2 less than a week ago. If we release any new > > package within 2weeks to a month, i feel it'll just infuriate system > admins more. > > People don't want to be installing new packages every

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > Aren't most of your problems related to using a 64-bit platform? Where > were you during QA on 4.2? My sort() stuff works just fine here. On another place in that group where I had very little to do with PHP and if I had to do with it, it was Windows or Linux on x86... Regards, Seba

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1?

Aren't most of your problems related to using a 64-bit platform? Where were you during QA on 4.2? My sort() stuff works just fine here. -Rasmus On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Sebastian Nohn wrote: > Hi, > > > there are not enough people for this. > > Well. As I already said: Then there are'nt enough pe

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > The other major problem is availibilty of platforms QA'd. Sebastian - I > trust you'll take the two 64-bit systems you we're talking about? Uh. Yes well... The next week this is no problem, after that I have vacation and I only have access to these machines from my office so I would one ch

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

At 20:44 28-7-2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Well. As I already said: Then there are'nt enough people for 4.3.0 too. Yes > > I know, you are the maintainer of 4.2.x, Stig is the maintainer of 4.3.0. > >There are not enough people to do two releases at one time. Actually - one issue there, ar

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

> Following that, why not do what a number of people do, and do > > major.minor.patch > > major releases say every 6 months > minor ones every 2 - unless serious patch required > patches as required > > This allows people to predict the times also. > i would see this working, given it's what we do

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > > That is no solution for the real problem. People are frustrated > > because they don't know if their software runs on the next machine > > they put it on because this machine maybe has another PHP-version. > > It's the same thing like GD or Apache 2. Why was GD forked by PHP, > > why was

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1?

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Sebastian Nohn wrote: > Hi, > > > there are not enough people for this. > > Well. As I already said: Then there are'nt enough people for 4.3.0 too. Yes > I know, you are the maintainer of 4.2.x, Stig is the maintainer of 4.3.0. There are not enough people to do two release

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Sebastian Nohn wrote: > That is no solution for the real problem. People are frustrated because they > don't know if their software runs on the next machine they put it on because > this machine maybe has another PHP-version. It's the same thing like GD or > Apache 2. Why was

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > > Yes. That may be. But there are a lot of bugfixes in the latest > > STABLE-snapshot I tested (26/07/02) - or exactly: All bugs I experienced > > were fixed. So the easiest thing would be to cancel all new > > features that were planned for 4.2.3 and move them to 4.3.0 and apply all > > pa

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > there are not enough people for this. Well. As I already said: Then there are'nt enough people for 4.3.0 too. Yes I know, you are the maintainer of 4.2.x, Stig is the maintainer of 4.3.0. Regards, Sebastian Nohn -- +49 170 471 8105 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.nohn.net/ PGP Key Ava

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Sebastian Nohn wrote: > Yes. That may be. But there are a lot of bugfixes in the latest > STABLE-snapshot I tested (26/07/02) - or exactly: All bugs I experienced > were fixed. So the easiest thing would be to cancel all new features that > were planned for 4.2.3 and move the

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Easy answer: there are not enough people for this. Derick On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Liz wrote: > Another option would be to get people to split into 2 teams, and have > bug fix team and new feature team, where people specifically look at > those features. Make a slightly bigger divide between the t

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Sebastian Nohn wrote: > Hi, > > > has at least as few bugs as 4.0.4pl1. At least a 4.0.2pl1 fixing > > the so far > > That is 4.2.2pl1 of course ;) The next version should be 4.2.3, and not pl1 crap :) Derick -

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

At 19:40 28-7-2002, Liz wrote: >Following that, why not do what a number of people do, and do > >major.minor.patch Basically that's how it is, but the understanding of major and minor is a little outof sync with other packages out there or QA of minors isn't wat is should be, which ever you pre

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > we released 4.2.2 less than a week ago. If we release any new > package within 2weeks to a month, i feel it'll just infuriate system admins more. > People don't want to be installing new packages every week for the same product. We were running 4.0.4pl1 for more than one year, then we need

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Following that, why not do what a number of people do, and do major.minor.patch major releases say every 6 months minor ones every 2 - unless serious patch required patches as required This allows people to predict the times also. -- PHP Development Mailing List To uns

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

the large amount of time between the branches. > > Yes. That may be. But there are a lot of bugfixes in the latest > STABLE-snapshot I tested (26/07/02) - or exactly: All bugs I experienced > were fixed. So the easiest thing would be to cancel all new features that > were planned for 4.2.3 and mo

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > Because we have no 4.2 release manager with Derick going away. And 4.3 > fixes a whole slew of 4.2 bugs And brings 150 new... > some of which are not easily backportable to the 4.2 codebase because of > the large amount of time between the branches. Yes. That may be. But there are a lot

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Because we have no 4.2 release manager with Derick going away. And 4.3 fixes a whole slew of 4.2 bugs some of which are not easily backportable to the 4.2 codebase because of the large amount of time between the branches. -Rasmus On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Sebastian Nohn wrote: > Hi, > > > Another o

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hey Liz, At 15:55 28-7-2002 +0100, Liz wrote: >Another option would be to get people to split into 2 teams, and have >bug fix team and new feature team, where people specifically look at >those features. Make a slightly bigger divide between the two projects. Yes - for QA this is a good idea. C

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > Another option would be to get people to split into 2 teams, and have > bug fix team and new feature team, where people specifically look at > those features. Make a slightly bigger divide between the two projects. Why not simple delay another buggy release 4.3.0? Regards, Sebastian No

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Another option would be to get people to split into 2 teams, and have bug fix team and new feature team, where people specifically look at those features. Make a slightly bigger divide between the two projects. > Yes, there are others who feel this way - but basically it > boils down to > who is

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi Sebastian, At 16:08 28-7-2002 +0200, Sebastian Nohn wrote: > > yes it was, but it was canceled, as Stig, Derick and others > > agreed, that it would delay 4.3.0 too much. > >Nobody needs 4.3 with 1000 new features, everybody needs a PHP Version that >has at least as few bugs as 4.0.4pl1. At l

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > has at least as few bugs as 4.0.4pl1. At least a 4.0.2pl1 fixing > the so far That is 4.2.2pl1 of course ;) Regards, Sebastian Nohn -- +49 170 471 8105 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.nohn.net/ PGP Key Available - Did I help you? Consider a gift: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/wis

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] PHP 4.2.3RC1 ?

Hi, > yes it was, but it was canceled, as Stig, Derick and others > agreed, that it would delay 4.3.0 too much. Nobody needs 4.3 with 1000 new features, everybody needs a PHP Version that has at least as few bugs as 4.0.4pl1. At least a 4.0.2pl1 fixing the so far closed bugs would be great. I ha