Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Sancar Saran
Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS Framworks will take html generation jobs from server side. Whole thing of Server Side MVC and other yada yada was became joke. Those server siders become JSON pushers for JS frameworks.

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:52 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS Framworks will take html generation jobs from server side. Whole thing of Server Side MVC and other yada yada was became

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Sancar Saran
On Monday 23 March 2009 12:33:58 Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:52 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS Framworks will take html generation jobs from server side. Whole

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 15:58 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: On Monday 23 March 2009 12:33:58 Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:52 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread tedd
At 10:24 AM -0400 3/23/09, Robert Cummings wrote: My point is, just because new techniques and technoloigies come out, is in no way a boundary condition on an existing technology's lifespan or efficacy in any particular environment. The deprecation of usefulness of any technology is based on

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Stuart
2009/3/23 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: However, I have heard of new javascript being run server-side. What's the likelihood of that catching on and surpassing php? http://aptana.com/jaxer I really like the idea, but I'm yet to have a good reason to try it. If you're starting from scratch it

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Bastien Koert
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:24 AM -0400 3/23/09, Robert Cummings wrote: My point is, just because new techniques and technoloigies come out, is in no way a boundary condition on an existing technology's lifespan or efficacy in any particular

RE: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Jesse.Hazen
@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate? 2009/3/23 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: However, I have heard of new javascript being run server-side. What's the likelihood of that catching on and surpassing php? http://aptana.com/jaxer I really like the idea, but I'm yet to have a good

RE: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Arno Kuhl
-Original Message- From: Sancar Saran [mailto:sancar.sa...@evodot.com] Sent: 23 March 2009 11:52 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate? Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Arno Kuhl wrote: -Original Message- From: Sancar Saran [mailto:sancar.sa...@evodot.com] Sent: 23 March 2009 11:52 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate? Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Bastien Koert
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.netwrote: Arno Kuhl wrote: -Original Message- From: Sancar Saran [mailto:sancar.sa...@evodot.com] Sent: 23 March 2009 11:52 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate? Probably

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread tedd
At 10:50 AM -0400 3/23/09, Bastien Koert wrote: Tedd, JS has been running on MS servers for a long time. It was always viewes as an acceptable replacement for vbscript. Well -- that's been my fear. I think that M$ is trying to get it's foot into this so they can charge for it -- similar to

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread haliphax
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:11 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:50 AM -0400 3/23/09, Bastien Koert wrote: Tedd, JS has been running on MS servers for a long time. It was always viewes as an acceptable replacement for vbscript. Well -- that's been my fear. I think that M$ is

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 10:43 -0400, tedd wrote: At 10:24 AM -0400 3/23/09, Robert Cummings wrote: My point is, just because new techniques and technoloigies come out, is in no way a boundary condition on an existing technology's lifespan or efficacy in any particular environment. The

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Sancar Saran
On Monday 23 March 2009 16:24:55 Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 15:58 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: On Monday 23 March 2009 12:33:58 Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:52 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man.

RE: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Daniel Kolbo P.P.P.S. What might be nice is to have an online repository of PHP community approved classes, then programmers could mix and match 'modules' as needed...well now I am sounding like that snake oil salesman. You mean something like CPAN over in the Perl arena? Or

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Sancar Saran wrote: Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS Framworks will take html generation jobs from server side. No it won't. People are getting sick and tired of allowing third scripts to modify the DOM - browsers are

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Daniel Kolbo wrote: P.P.P.S. What might be nice is to have an online repository of PHP community approved classes, then programmers could mix and match 'modules' as needed...well now I am sounding like that snake oil salesman. There is a php class web site that focuses on OO

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Bob McConnell wrote: However, don't limit it to classes. There are enough non-OO people that collections of usable function libraries should also be worth assembling. I would also suggest including unit test fixtures and utilities in any collection. Bob McConnell Most functions can be

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Phpster
Sorry for top posting, but here goes... Stopping third party js from running on the client will never happen. If so, you just killed your servers thru put in attempting to handle things like google maps, google analytics and other fun things coming out of companies like that ( google, zoho

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Phpster wrote: Sorry for top posting, but here goes... Stopping third party js from running on the client will never happen. If so, you just killed your servers thru put in attempting to handle things like google maps, google analytics and other fun things coming out of companies like that (

[PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-22 Thread Daniel Kolbo
Tony Marston wrote: Nitsan Bin-Nun nit...@binnun.co.il wrote in message news:d47da0100903220910q7bb66706s6255f0fc89b98...@mail.gmail.com... Don't forget to attach the message to the list. Regarding the frameworks, which of them, for your opinion, will take the fastest time to learn and get

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-22 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 10:54 -1000, Daniel Kolbo wrote: Hello, I changed the subject because I did not want to steal Nitsan's thread. I hope you started a New email and didn't just change the subject... otherwise you've hijacked the thread. I can't tell I keep threading off. There seem to

RE: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-22 Thread Marc Christopher Hall
: Daniel Kolbo [mailto:kolb0...@umn.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:54 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Cc: Tony Marston Subject: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate? Tony Marston wrote: Nitsan Bin-Nun nit...@binnun.co.il wrote in message news:d47da0100903220910q7bb66706s6255f0fc89b98...@mail.gmail.com

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-22 Thread Daniel Kolbo
there. -Original Message- From: Daniel Kolbo [mailto:kolb0...@umn.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:54 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Cc: Tony Marston Subject: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate? Tony Marston wrote: Nitsan Bin-Nun nit...@binnun.co.il wrote in message