Hi everyone,
It's been about a week since I emailed-out information I'd received
from the lawyers about dual-licensing code examples. To date I've
received no responses, so I'm going to be a cheerful optimist here and
hope that people are generally happy with the text as written.
I'd like to keep
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Robinson Tryon
wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
>>
>> I avoid the topic of licenses whenever possible but let's make a decision.
>> It feels like most would prefer dual licensing for code snippets (despite
>> GPL and PHP not getting
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Christopher Jones
wrote:
>
> I wwould NOT like to see dual licensing. Aside from any likely
> legal issues
I think we're all interested in any potential legal issues that
licensing changes could bring. What additional legal issues would dual
(disjunctive) licensi
On 10/11/2010 01:07 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote:
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Daniel Brown wrote:
I'm of the opinion that we should license all
machine-interpretable examples (i.e. - "code snippets") in both the
official documentation us
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 18:04, Hannes Magnusson
wrote:
>
> "The PHP Documentation Group" is not explicitly defined anywhere, so
> does that mean this mailinglist? The named authors on
> http://php.net/manual? (and does that include the 'and several
> others'?) :P
Could the "PHP Documentation
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 22:34, Robinson Tryon wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
>>
>> I avoid the topic of licenses whenever possible but let's make a decision.
>> It feels like most would prefer dual licensing for code snippets (despite
>> GPL and PHP not getting al
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
>
> I avoid the topic of licenses whenever possible but let's make a decision. It
> feels like most would prefer dual licensing for code snippets (despite GPL
> and PHP not getting along all that well, ever) so let's do that.
Okay.
> Does so
On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Daniel Brown wrote:
>>I'm of the opinion that we should license all
>> machine-interpretable examples (i.e. - "code snippets") in both the
>> official documentation usage examples and user-submitted examples
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Daniel Brown wrote:
> I'm of the opinion that we should license all
> machine-interpretable examples (i.e. - "code snippets") in both the
> official documentation usage examples and user-submitted examples
> alike - including those from the mailing lists and arch
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 13:35, Robinson Tryon wrote:
>
> If The PHP Doc Group believes that the CC-BY provides a framework
> under which a simple attribution line like that is sufficient, then I
> suggest they grease the wheels and calm the lawyers by clarifying it
> with an explicit, very permissi
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Brandon Savage
wrote:
>
> The CC-BY license states [...some things...]
> ...
> This is the provision from which I derived that fair use avoids infringement
> even if credit is not given.
(IANAL) but it's entirely possible that a Fair Use defense would be
successful
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 16:06, Jesus M. Castagnetto
wrote:
> Pardon this old doc dinosaur for meddling in this thread, just a couple of
> comments:
> - IIRC there was never a "notes group" as such. It was mainly a mailing
> list, some code we hacked and some rules of thumb, and whoever had the time
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Hannes Magnusson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:08, Robinson Tryon
> wrote:
> > It shouldn't take too long to fix this -- I'd just add a note in the
> > documentation section of the PHP license page along the lines of "All
> > example code in the PHP manual, i
Pardon this old doc dinosaur for meddling in this thread, just a couple of
comments:
- IIRC there was never a "notes group" as such. It was mainly a mailing
list, some code we hacked and some rules of thumb, and whoever had the time
will chip in ad do some notes housekeeping once in a while. Ergo,
>
> The "snippet's owner(s)" is the PHP Documentation Group.
> The CC-BY license has this explicit notice (in human readable terms):
> "Attribution — You must attribute the work in the manner specified by
> the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they
> endorse you or your use
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hannes Magnusson
wrote:
>
> Actually, when adding a use contributor note the note becomes
> 'property of the PHP Documentation Group'
>
> See http://no.php.net/manual/add-note.php
> "This means that any note submitted here becomes the property of the
> PHP Documenta
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 03:56, Adam Harvey wrote:
> On 3 October 2010 08:43, Robinson Tryon wrote:
>> Is there
>> any chance that the code examples in the manual are also available
>> under a different license as well?
>
> As you've seen on the licensing page, the manual — including the code
> exa
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:08, Robinson Tryon wrote:
> It shouldn't take too long to fix this -- I'd just add a note in the
> documentation section of the PHP license page along the lines of "All
> example code in the PHP manual, including user notes, are additionally
> available under the terms of
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 15:43, Hannes Magnusson
wrote:
> As for the manual text itself, that attribution note was intentional
> choice by us when we changed the license couple of hours ago.
s/hours/years :P
-Hannes
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 14:15, Brandon Savage wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Hannes Magnusson
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:08, Robinson Tryon
>> wrote:
>> > It shouldn't take too long to fix this -- I'd just add a note in the
>> > documentation section of the PHP license pag
On 3 October 2010 08:43, Robinson Tryon wrote:
> Is there
> any chance that the code examples in the manual are also available
> under a different license as well?
As you've seen on the licensing page, the manual — including the code
examples — is only available under the CC-BY licence. Given the
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