Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread David Kaplan
I had dist-upgrade problems with Ubuntu in the past. I only do clean installs these days. The new Ubuntu 9.04 has been the smoothest install and configuring I've had. I tried Kubuntu, and I still think KDE 4.2 needs work. I'll happier with Gnome and Xfce. John, do a clean install of Ubuntu 9.04

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, David Kaplan wrote: I had dist-upgrade problems with Ubuntu in the past. I only do clean installs these days. The new Ubuntu 9.04 has been the smoothest install and configuring I've had. I tried Kubuntu, and I still think KDE 4.2 needs work. I'll happier with Gnome and

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Word Wizard
I presuming you really meant upgrade. As opposed tor fresh install. My advice: don't upgrade. Install fresh . I have had problems upgrading to Hardy and Intrepid. Once I installed a fresh system, 95% of therm vanished. The only problems I have had so far with a fresh Jaunty install were

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Nye Walker wrote: Safety. Many linux users customize their software, tweak their configs, and like things that way. From what I've seen a linux upgrade doesn't wipe out much, thus leaves conflicting services and configurations. Nye, This is a people problem that has a

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread MJang
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 06:01 -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: Each time I read this I ask why it should be necessary to scrape off all the old paint before putting on a new coat. It seems to me that the distribution creators should know how to clean up and remove conflicting packages during the

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Larry W
MJang wrote: One thing I do to deal with the upgrade cycle is have a separate partition for my /home directory. Oh, yes. In fact, the old-timers on this list will remember the early days of Unix, you know, when they had manuals and one was required to read them, that multiple filesystems

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Michael
John Jason Jordan wrote: Don't. OK, I have never used KDE before. But I am now poking at it because it's all I can get working. Maybe y'all KDE dudes and dudettes can convince me to keep it. If Gnome won't run, to hell with it, eh? Meantime, the dist-upgrade to Jaunty is a pile of

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:19:11 -0700 John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net dijo: I am sending this from a KDE desktop, because my Gnome desktop won't start. I get my desktop background, but no Gnome panel. Kind of hard to run applications when you have no panel. And Alt-F2 fails to launch a

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread chris (fool) mccraw
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:58, Michael mich...@jamhome.us wrote: John Jason Jordan wrote: Don't. OK, I have never used KDE before. But I am now poking at it because it's all I can get working. Maybe y'all KDE dudes and dudettes can convince me to keep it. If Gnome won't run, to hell with

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, John Jason Jordan wrote: I still can't get Gnome to run properly. Actually, it comes up fine and my custom screen background looks the same as it did before. It's just the panel that is missing. And Alt-F2 won't open a terminal. However, I can get to the command line with

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Galen Seitz
John Jason Jordan wrote: Does anyone know any other secret way to get a terminal window open besides Alt-F2? Try right clicking while the cursor is on the root window. With gnome under CentOS 5.3, that brings up a menu, and one of the menu items is 'Open Terminal'. If that doesn't work,

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, John Jason Jordan wrote: Does anyone know any other secret way to get a terminal window open besides Alt-F2? Can you restart the panel manually? Does a right-click on the root window bring up a menu from which you can open a terminal? I don't know Gnome, but this brings

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Joe Pruett
give up on gnome-terminal and use xterm. it's not as fancy, but doesnt rely on all the rest of gnome running. obviously you have some startup problem, so you might want to check your x logs (not sure exactly where ubuntu puts them). ___ PLUG mailing

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread chris (fool) mccraw
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 15:12, Joe Pruett j...@clean.q7.com wrote: give up on gnome-terminal and use xterm.  it's not as fancy, but doesnt rely on all the rest of gnome running.  obviously you have some startup problem, so you might want to check your x logs (not sure exactly where ubuntu puts

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Galen Seitz
John Jason Jordan wrote: And to those who suggested right-clicking on the root window, bear in mind that there are no windows on the display at all, root or otherwise. It's just a completely blank screen showing my wallpaper. I did try right-clicking and other clickety things, but nada. The

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Joe Pruett j...@clean.q7.com dijo: give up on gnome-terminal and use xterm. it's not as fancy, but doesnt rely on all the rest of gnome running. obviously you have some startup problem, so you might want to check your x logs (not sure exactly where

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, John Jason Jordan wrote: Failed to get the session bus: dbus-launch failed autolaunch D-BUS Uh-oh! You missed de bus. And to those who suggested right-clicking on the root window, bear in mind that there are no windows on the display at all, root or otherwise. It's

Re: [PLUG] Jaunty upgrade

2009-04-24 Thread drew wymore
I wonder if your jjj user is missing the gnome panel applet in the startup thing for gnome. Now that you have the panel you can look at applications that are set to start up when the user logs in. Also blowing away the old .gnome and .gnome2 directories in jjj's home directory might yield more