Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Ben Koenig
What do you mean by "flip flop" I take it to mean that the behavior has changed. Removing the footer didnt affect anything on my end. It also didnt change anything for Tomas since he mentioned early on that he wasnt seeing the problem. How is flipping it back on going to change things if turning

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Ben Koenig
No it hasnt. My gmail is still blocking him. Tomas is an anomaly. Unless my count is off every other gmail user who chimed in has seen nuegia.net in their spam. I'm intentionally excluding gmail organization accounts since I dont know if they use different spam filters for those. So no, the pr

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Ben Koenig
If users took responsibility for verifying the source of the email then this would all be irrelevant. Case in point- protonmail doesnt seem to care about his emails presumably because we are supposed to be using public/private keys to verify messages instead of waiting for google to give the gre

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Tom
On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 21:09:24 -0700 wes wrote: > if they're serious about it, they would sign up for the blacklists > service's feedback loop so they can get automated reports every time > an incident occurs. they can take action on the customers abusing the > system. then they'll be delisted autom

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread wes
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 8:52 PM Tom wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 14:44:21 -0700 > wes wrote: > > > with this, they are basically avoiding responsibility for hosting > > spammers. > > > > the level 3 listing happens when there are a large number of level 1 > > or 2 listings. meaning a significant v

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Tom
On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 14:44:21 -0700 wes wrote: > with this, they are basically avoiding responsibility for hosting > spammers. > > the level 3 listing happens when there are a large number of level 1 > or 2 listings. meaning a significant volume of spam was reported from > linode-owned IP space.

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Tom
On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 21:51:52 -0400 Tomas Kuchta wrote: > Let me clarify - this was the first Tom's email in a long time which > did not end up with Spam label by gmail. That is why I responded Tomas, What does your screen actually look like when your saying Google says it can't "verify my identity

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Tom
Well, Since the footer was disabled I only got 1 dmarc failure email to postmaster instead of the usual two per email. Though, I haven't been sending to this board enough times to really test things as I have been busy. Please leave the footer disabled for a while longer. Perhaps it's not the only

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread wes
Flip flopping means it is being flagged sometimes, and other times not. That is the behavior change I was referring to. -wes On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:32 PM Ben Koenig wrote: > What do you mean by "flip flop" I take it to mean that the behavior has > changed. > > Removing the footer didnt affec

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Tomas Kuchta
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 21:32 Ben Koenig wrote: > What do you mean by "flip flop" I take it to mean that the behavior has > changed. > > Removing the footer didnt affect anything on my end. It also didnt change > anything for Tomas since he mentioned early on that he wasnt seeing the > problem. > .

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread wes
I suppose the only thing missing might be due to your decision to exclude organizational gmail users. that is, of course, your call to make for yourself, but I disagree with the reasoning behind it. if we include them, then we see flip-flopping. which means we still don't have a clear picture of a

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Tomas Kuchta
I was giving feedback that it might resolve itself + I was being smart about it. Yes, I feel that the discussion is not moving productively anywhere and we are not learning. But I am not participating, nor feel offended/upset/etc I do not really mind. Tomas On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 20:32 we

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread wes
since the behavior has flip-flopped, I am not sure that we really know any more about what the problem is now than we did before. -wes On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 5:50 PM Ben Koenig wrote: > If users took responsibility for verifying the source of the email then > this would all be irrelevant. Case

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread wes
I think this is an ongoing topic and probably doesn't need to be closed. however you are welcome to use gmail's mute feature if you would like to stop seeing it. the footer was removed last week or so, as a test at tom's request. since then, I have seen emails from him flagged as spam, and also no

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread TomasK
FYI This email has landed in my gmail inbox, not spam - perhaps it is time to retire this super long thread - before enough people mark is as spam - LOL. Maybe gmail-machines (yes it is Matrix reference) pays attention to human replies and re-classifies ... Tomas On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 14:11 -07

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread wes
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 2:11 PM Tom wrote: > >Hello, > > Thanks for reaching out to inform us about this blocklisting. We > understand and share your concern regarding the recent listing of our > ASN with UCEPROTECT's Level 3 service. After researching the details of > the listing, we have determi

Re: [PLUG] please stop modifying the message body

2021-06-03 Thread Tom
>Hello, Thanks for reaching out to inform us about this blocklisting. We understand and share your concern regarding the recent listing of our ASN with UCEPROTECT's Level 3 service. After researching the details of the listing, we have determined that the Level 3 service offered by UCEPROTECT is n

[PLUG] TONIGHT! PLUG: Lessons Learned from Four Years as a County Party Officer

2021-06-03 Thread Michael Dexter
Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement Who: Michael Smith What: Lessons Learned from Four Years as a County Party Officer Where: https://li584-253.members.linode.com/PLUG When: Thursday, June 3rd, 2021 at 7pm Pacific Why: The pursuit of technology freedom This talk will cover les