Re: Salary Spin

2007-08-23 Thread Von Fugal
* Andrew Jorgensen [Thu, 16 Aug 2007 at 14:44 -0600] > Recent discussions have me thinking about something HR and management > have both told me on occasion. They say that it's good to have a > salary that's lower in the range for your position because it means > they can give you bigger raises -

Re: Comcast_Is_Starting_The_Tiered_Internet_Whether_We_Like_It_or_Not

2007-08-23 Thread Von Fugal
* Corey Edwards [Thu, 23 Aug 2007 at 13:32 -0600] > But not all ISPs are like that. My point is that saying "ISPs should > never block anything" or "don't do anything to my Internet > connection" (not necessarily what you're saying, but just an example), > it irritates me. There *are* times when it

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Jason Hall
On 8/23/07, Joseph Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm glad the police academy includes a course on moving red queen to > black king while making a left-hand turn. > Didn't realize you could get your MCSE at the academy (Minesweeper Certified Solitaire Expert) -- Jayce^ /* PLUG: http://plug

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Joseph Hall
> On Thursday 23 August 2007, Merrill Oveson wrote: > Studies has shown that the passenger next to the driver in the car actually > assists the driver. Merrill, I bow to your superior insight. It makes sense, and makes me re-evaluate my position on the matter. On 8/23/07, Nicholas Leippe <[EMAIL

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Matthew Walker
On Thu, August 23, 2007 4:53 pm, justin wrote: > On 8/23/07, Nicholas Leippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This all makes sense, and I agree about distracted driving. Still, all this >> attention on cell phones makes me wonder, why has this same issue not >> surfaced regarding the police and their

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread justin
On 8/23/07, Nicholas Leippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This all makes sense, and I agree about distracted driving. Still, all this > attention on cell phones makes me wonder, why has this same issue not > surfaced regarding the police and their radios, or truckers and their CBs > during the past

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Nicholas Leippe
On Thursday 23 August 2007, Merrill Oveson wrote: > Studies has shown that the passenger next to the driver in the car actually > assists the driver. > He/she will notice potentially dangerous situations and alert the driver. > The conversation will also pause if the driver is performing an action

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Merrill Oveson
Studies has shown that the passenger next to the driver in the car actually assists the driver. He/she will notice potentially dangerous situations and alert the driver. The conversation will also pause if the driver is performing an action which requires a lot of attention, i.e. turning left at a

Re: Comcast_Is_Starting_The_Tiered_Internet_Whether_We_Like_It_or_Not

2007-08-23 Thread Corey Edwards
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 09:17 -0600, Von Fugal wrote: > * Corey Edwards [Tue, 21 Aug 2007 at 11:47 -0600] > > The p2p limit is artificial, but would the service be limited for > > everyone if that limit isn't in place? If not, then Comcast is blocking > > a useful service for no good reason. But if i

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Jason Hall
On 8/23/07, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suspect you're talking about Presidente Saraiva! > ;-p ayup, that man was a demon behind the wheel. -- Jayce^ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin.

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Jason Hall
On 8/23/07, Corey Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And one final curiousity, at night drivers turn their lights off at red > lights so as to not blind the opposing traffic. It's not a law, but > pretty much everybody does it. > > And in most of Brasil, and the Philippines, they just don't use

Re: Comcast_Is_Starting_The_Tiered_Internet_Whether_We_Like_It_or_Not

2007-08-23 Thread blr
> Your missing the point, as are a lot of people here. I think that > blocking torrent/p2p IS wrong. Why?! I think it's wrong, also. But for some additional reasons. I think they suck because they change their terms without even notifying me. That's lousy customer service. Immoral, illegal, u

Re: Comcast_Is_Starting_The_Tiered_Internet_Whether_We_Like_It_or_Not

2007-08-23 Thread Andrew Jorgensen
On 8/23/07, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Andrew Jorgensen [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 at 12:36 -0600] > > I'm pretty sure I don't need an Internet connection at home. I rarely > > use it because my company has a usage policy that allows "incidental > > personal use" or something like that and I

Re: Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Doran L. Barton
Not long ago, Dr. Scott S. Jones proclaimed... > You forgot Utah County(try). It's a microcosm of odd thinking all its own! I've driven a lot between Logan and Utah County over the years. The WORST, most aggressive, self-centered drivers I've run into were on State Street in Orem, Lindon, and Amer

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Nicholas Leippe
On Thursday 23 August 2007, Shane Hathaway wrote: > Although it works smoothly most of the time, the CA system still can't > avoid the fact that humans have a minimum response time of nearly 1 > second, and that's only when they're very alert. However, if we could > wirelessly and securely transmi

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Shane Hathaway
Jason Hall wrote: > And in most of Brasil, and the Philippines, they just don't use the lights > at night the majority of the time. They think it wears the batteries. I > thought my missionary hitchhiking stories were scary, then I went on a long > trip with my native president. 75mph on a narro

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Shane Hathaway
Nicholas Leippe wrote: > In California, at rush hour, it seems that everyone has gotten the idea that > there just is no space, so deal with it. I've been on 4-lane highways where > all four lanes were literally half car lengths apart, all doing 75. Just > squeeze the packets in tighter and se

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Corey Edwards
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 11:11 -0600, Nicholas Leippe wrote: > On Thursday 23 August 2007, Nicholas Leippe wrote: > > in Japan, (Hong Kong), > > Should've read Japan, (or Hong Kong?), Japan has such narrow and windy roads that without a lot of give and take, nobody would get anywhere. You frequently

Re: Failover dhcp server

2007-08-23 Thread Michael L Torrie
Steven Alligood wrote: > I haven't setup on in failover in a couple of years, but if you follow > the man pages, etc, it should work fairly well. Check out the mail > archives on ics.org to see similar issues other dhcpd folks have had. I'll definitely do that. I'll report on what I find. >

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Nicholas Leippe
On Thursday 23 August 2007, Nicholas Leippe wrote: > in Japan, (Hong Kong), Should've read Japan, (or Hong Kong?), I can't remember which. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Nicholas Leippe
On Thursday 23 August 2007, Corey Edwards wrote: > On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: > > I've driven in several other states (I drove to New Hampshire 5 years > > ago and then back to Utah 4 years ago). The easiest drivers to get > > along with, by far, were California drivers.

Re: Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Dr. Scott S. Jones
> > What you say?!? The last time I drove from here (Idaho Falls) to Logan I > > notice a distinct negative difference. My main impression is the lack of > > courtesy. Everybody seems to be in such a hurry. Allowing somebody to > > merge in front of you would add precious seconds to your trip. Oh

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Shane Hathaway
Corey Edwards wrote: > On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: >> I've driven in several other states (I drove to New Hampshire 5 years >> ago and then back to Utah 4 years ago). The easiest drivers to get >> along with, by far, were California drivers. The absolute worst, >> edging o

Re: Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Dr. Scott S. Jones
+++ Von Fugal [23/08/07 10:38 -0600]: > I'm probably firmly establishing my guilt here as a hated utah driver. > At the same time, I really don't understand, it's not the aggresive > drivers I find so baneful of Utah, it's the drivers that get in your > way, don't signal, take that right turn reall

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Shane Hathaway
Joseph Hall wrote: > On 8/23/07, Jonathan Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> FWIW, none of the people from the East coast with whom I have >> discussed driving and traffic thought Utah was worse than their home >> state. > > I'm in Boston right now, actually. I've only been here a few days, but >

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Corey Edwards
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: > I've driven in several other states (I drove to New Hampshire 5 years > ago and then back to Utah 4 years ago). The easiest drivers to get > along with, by far, were California drivers. The absolute worst, > edging out even Utah, were Idaho dr

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Von Fugal
I'm probably firmly establishing my guilt here as a hated utah driver. At the same time, I really don't understand, it's not the aggresive drivers I find so baneful of Utah, it's the drivers that get in your way, don't signal, take that right turn really slow right from the middle of the lane, take

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Von Fugal
* Shane Hathaway [Thu, 23 Aug 2007 at 10:26 -0600] > That sounds excellent, except for the sentence "I am an extremely > aggressive driver". ;-) OTOH, you didn't say what an aggressive driver > does. If you mean tailgating NASCAR-style, that's obviously stupid and > dangerous yet all too common.

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Shane Hathaway
Von Fugal wrote: > This is soo true. I also love playing that game, except it's not really > a game, it's called driving. IOW engaging your mind in the task of not > just steering your vehicle, but also making decisions on how to steer it > based on conditions around you, and those conditions inclu

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Joseph Hall
On 8/23/07, Jonathan Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, none of the people from the East coast with whom I have > discussed driving and traffic thought Utah was worse than their home > state. I'm in Boston right now, actually. I've only been here a few days, but I'm amazed every day at how m

Re: Comcast_Is_Starting_The_Tiered_Internet_Whether_We_Like_It_or_Not

2007-08-23 Thread Steven Alligood
This is really cool. It has been a very long time since I have encountered someone who is still passionate about how the world SHOULD work. I am glad there are still some technophiles out there with this passion. Please do hold onto it, and don't let the world make you into what the rest of

Re: Failover dhcp server

2007-08-23 Thread Steven Alligood
I haven't setup on in failover in a couple of years, but if you follow the man pages, etc, it should work fairly well. Check out the mail archives on ics.org to see similar issues other dhcpd folks have had. As for the cisco config, each ip helper entry can only have one IP, but you can have

Re: Comcast_Is_Starting_The_Tiered_Internet_Whether_We_Like_It_or_Not

2007-08-23 Thread Von Fugal
* Andrew Jorgensen [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 at 12:36 -0600] > I'm pretty sure I don't need an Internet connection at home. I rarely > use it because my company has a usage policy that allows "incidental > personal use" or something like that and I can get my own business > (banking, plug, etc.) done duri

Re: Comcast_Is_Starting_The_Tiered_Internet_Whether_We_Like_It_or_Not

2007-08-23 Thread Von Fugal
* Wade Preston Shearer [Tue, 21 Aug 2007 at 10:07 -0600] > While I don't agree, why can't they? They have the right to refuse > service to anyone—just like a restaurant can if you're not wearing > shoes. If you don't like their service, take your business elsewhere. And the restaurant has a si

Re: Comcast_Is_Starting_The_Tiered_Internet_Whether_We_Like_It_or_Not

2007-08-23 Thread Von Fugal
* Corey Edwards [Tue, 21 Aug 2007 at 11:47 -0600] > The p2p limit is artificial, but would the service be limited for > everyone if that limit isn't in place? If not, then Comcast is blocking > a useful service for no good reason. But if it is, then I can understand > their point of view. While it

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Jeremy Hansen
> > In my view, the problem isn't usually incompetence, it's just a mismatch > of driving styles. Yes, that's exactly the point I was trying to make. What is often labeled incompetence is most often just the mismatch of styles that you mention. I noticed this especially in DC, since DC has the c

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Levi Pearson
"Andrew Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The only time I drove across several states I noticed this too. > Everywhere else it felt like we were all driving together, then when > we hit the Utah border it was every man for himself. It was like > crossing that border had a direct effect on

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On 8/23/07, Matthew Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, August 22, 2007 10:52 am, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > > ### THIS IS A RANT. COMMENCE TO IGNORE. ### > > > > I have driven in many different parts of the country, as doubtless many of > > you have and, in my experience, there is no shortag

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Andrew Jorgensen
On 8/23/07, Matthew Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I don't have much personal experience in that area, but my father, who > was a > professional truck driver for many years, said that Utah is /the/ worst place > to drive > in the country. He drove the entire lower 48, coast to coast fo

Re: [OT] Hit and Run

2007-08-23 Thread Matthew Walker
On Wed, August 22, 2007 10:52 am, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > ### THIS IS A RANT. COMMENCE TO IGNORE. ### > > I have driven in many different parts of the country, as doubtless many of > you have and, in my experience, there is no shortage of seemingly > incompetent drivers anywhere. Well, I don't hav

Re: Failover dhcp server

2007-08-23 Thread twitchej
Quoting Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hopefully this won't get lost in all the noise on the list. Has anyone successfully set up two ISC dhcp servers in failover configuration? I'm trying to follow the guide at http://www.madboa.com/geek/dhcp-failover/ but I'm not having any success.