Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Chris
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Grant Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You aren't by chance affiliated with the Utah Taxpayers Association? You > are sure spewing back some of the same propaganda. :) Propaganda?! :-) Utah Taxpayers Association? Nah, they're too soft. Sissies, even. :-)

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Chris
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Thad Van Ry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/17/08, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then again, perhaps I do. Having spent many years of my life working > > on operating system and protocol software for enterprise-class > > routers, it's possible that I

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Chris
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Greg Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What we're all forgetting here is that our government gave billions to the > telecom industries to build a nationwide fiber network, which they > completely failed to deliver. We've been paying for it for nearly 2 decades > wi

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On 4/17/08, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The > simple fact is, our current system subsidies other nation's health care. > How can can other countries get away with price controls on drugs? We > fund the research with our purchases, while they reap the benefits. It's > simple paras

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Mister E
Stuart Jansen wrote: On second though, you deserve a more complete reply. On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 21:58 -0600, Mister E wrote: Neither free basic education nor basic health care are basic human rights. A huge misconception as of the last few decades and usually more common among younger folks.

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Mister E
Stuart Jansen wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 23:41 -0600, Jonathan Duncan wrote: Although even with all the strong feelings and many different sides of this discussion, I think that as we continue to see other perspectives, as shared by each other, that we can broaden our own perspectives.

Flame Wars As Evidence of Immaturity.

2008-04-19 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:07:07AM -0600, Justin Findlay wrote: > I think we've forgotten that flame wars were invented by bored people as > a means of inciting amusement when mailing lists become otherwise > tediously on topic. Flame wars incite in me only pity and disgust, if anything at all. T

Re: Flame Wars As Evidence of Immaturity.

2008-04-19 Thread Thomas Ballard
...hmmm, flame wars... how to work in a reference to the band "the flaming lips" here, and a joke about Dell computers... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIMAARfxRY (the kung fu guy makes me laugh out loud every time... guess I'm just deranged) :-) On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Charles Curley

64-bit - is it worth it?

2008-04-19 Thread Hans Fugal
I have an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ (VIA mobo if that matters). I've almost always just run 32-bit on it because I haven't been in the mood to deal with the inevitable issues with 64-bit, and I haven't had a compelling reason to do so. But I'm considering switching to 64-bit when I upg

Re: 64-bit - is it worth it?

2008-04-19 Thread Shane Hathaway
Hans Fugal wrote: But I'm considering switching to 64-bit when I upgrade to the next version of Ubuntu, Real Soon Now™. The reason is that I think it might be a substantial enhancement when it comes to transcoding large video files (i.e. HDTV - I don't have an HDTV and even if I did I'm not nut

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Nathan Gilbert
A very good thread, many thanks to everyone! This may be of interest to people looking for solutions. An episode of Frontline comparing 6 capitalist countries and their health-care systems. You can watch the full video online: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/ Miste

Re: 64-bit - is it worth it?

2008-04-19 Thread Nathan
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 09:56 -0600, Hans Fugal wrote: > I have an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ (VIA mobo if that matters). > I've almost always just run 32-bit on it because I haven't been in the > mood to deal with the inevitable issues with 64-bit, and I haven't had a > compelling reason t

Re: 64-bit - is it worth it?

2008-04-19 Thread Hans Fugal
Shane Hathaway wrote: Most of the video transcoding I've done has been I/O bound and benefits more from multiple hard drives than from any particular processor architecture. Then you either have very nice CPU(s), very slow disks, or low video demands. Thanks for the info! -- Hans Fugal ;

Re: 64-bit - is it worth it?

2008-04-19 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 09:56 -0600, Hans Fugal wrote: > I know many of you have been riding the 64-bit wave for some time now. > What are the remaining pitfalls? Will I be constantly fighting with > software to get it to run? That depends on what you want to do. First, reasons to go 64: 1) You

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Mister E
Nathan Gilbert wrote: >> ... But the last point sounds like darwinism to me... >> a misused theology. > > It was tempting bait, but I really don't want to delve into a discussion > of Evolution, even though it may be the quickest route to Godwin's law > being invoked on this thread. :) the darwin

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Mister E
Nathan Gilbert wrote: ... But the last point sounds like darwinism to me... a misused theology. It was tempting bait, but I really don't want to delve into a discussion of Evolution, even though it may be the quickest route to Godwin's law being invoked on this thread. :) the darwin thingy wa

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Levi Pearson
Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I fell for this ideology myself for many years, so personally it's > sorta like breaking an addiction where ya then have a strong reaction > to being around the instruments of that addiction afterwards. After > studying a bit on this topic, this is why I'm

Re: Flame Wars As Evidence of Immaturity.

2008-04-19 Thread Levi Pearson
Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Flame wars incite in me only pity and disgust, if anything at > all. They have never amused me. Those who engage in them do but show > their immaturity. Who's casting barbs now? Any community, and especially one with people who are passionate about thi

Re: Flame Wars As Evidence of Immaturity.

2008-04-19 Thread Topher
Levi Pearson wrote: Charles Curley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Flame wars incite in me only pity and disgust, if anything at all. They have never amused me. Those who engage in them do but show their immaturity. Who's casting barbs now? Any community, and especially one with people who are pa

Re: Home Router Recommendations?

2008-04-19 Thread Lars Rasmussen
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Gary Thornock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I used to run my home firewall on a PC with FreeBSD, but, as you > found with Linux, the initial setup was non-trivial. > > Currently I'm using pfSense on an old Pentium III box I had > sitting around. I still get the

Re: Flame Wars As Evidence of Immaturity.

2008-04-19 Thread Trevor Sharpe
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Re: 64-bit - is it worth it?

2008-04-19 Thread Andrew Jorgensen
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Shane Hathaway > Running 64 bit isn't much of a fight anymore. The only real holdout is > Flash, and that works through nspluginwrapper. Actually the only real real holdout is the Java browser plugin which doesn't exist for 64-bit linux and doesn't work under ns

Re: (UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

2008-04-19 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On 19 Apr 2008, at 16:19, Levi Pearson wrote: Mister Ed ps - I am done with this thread. Seems I have been more counter productive than helpful the last few years. I am about character Sorry. As far as I'm concerned, you're more than welcome to stay. Disagreement is no reason for expulsi