Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Hello Everyone, Not trying to be a news hound or anything, but I thought I would bring your attention to the fact that the Daily Herald is running a very well written Op Ed piece about iProvo today. Here's a link if you're interested in reading and/or commenting on it.

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 07:58:18AM -0600, S. Dale Morrey wrote: The one comment so far is pretty negative, so maybe we should hop in there and rally 'round. Rally 'round what? I like the idea of municipal fiber, but iProvo is a disaster. -- Andrew McNabb http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/ PGP

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread S. Dale Morrey
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Andrew McNabb amcn...@mcnabbs.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 07:58:18AM -0600, S. Dale Morrey wrote: The one comment so far is pretty negative, so maybe we should hop in there and rally 'round. Rally 'round what?  I like the idea of municipal fiber, but

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Mike Lovell
On 09/09/2011 10:23 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Andrew McNabbamcn...@mcnabbs.org wrote: I like the idea of municipal fiber, but iProvo is a disaster. -- Andrew McNabb http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/ PGP Fingerprint: 8A17 B57C 6879 1863 DE55 8012 AB4D 6098

Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread AJ ONeal
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Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 10:23:20AM -0600, S. Dale Morrey wrote: Really how so? I thought it was at least as good as Utopia. Here are a few problems that I'm aware of: 1) The city of Provo determined that ISPs could only sign up if they offered Internet, phone, and TV. This locked out good

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Michael Torrie
On 09/09/2011 11:15 AM, Andrew McNabb wrote: 3) Broadweave bought out iProvo and all of its ISPs, so my understanding is that it's no longer a municipal service at all--it's just another ISP with particularly bad service. The folks I know who are using it are pretty happy with the service.

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 11:26:30AM -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: The folks I know who are using it are pretty happy with the service. It's way faster than anything Comcast or Qwest can offer, and the bundle prices are decent. My cousin has it for Internet and Voice and he is pretty darn

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Bart Whiteley
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Andrew McNabb amcn...@mcnabbs.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 10:23:20AM -0600, S. Dale Morrey wrote: Really how so?  I thought it was at least as good as Utopia. Here are a few problems that I'm aware of: 1) The city of Provo determined that ISPs could

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 11:55:54AM -0600, Bart Whiteley wrote: 1) The city of Provo determined that ISPs could only sign up if they offered Internet, phone, and TV.  This locked out good ISPs like XMission that had no interest in TV. That was unfortunate, but somewhat understandable. The

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Richard Esplin
First Point: Andrew is right that since Provo sold the network, iProvo is no longer a municipal infrastructure. It is just another monopoly utility, and a poorly run one at that. The light in the tunnel is that if Broadweave don't change how they do things, then Provo gets the network back.

Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Levi Pearson
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, AJ ONeal coola...@gmail.com wrote: If you're getting into JavaScript, you may consider: uta...@googlegroups.com P.P.S. Of course, php also makes me cringe. (yay for Node.JS / ruby / python / erlang / anything-else-that's-actually-a-language) Hey, php is

Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread S. Dale Morrey
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Levi Pearson levipear...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, AJ ONeal coola...@gmail.com wrote: If you're getting into JavaScript, you may consider: uta...@googlegroups.com P.P.S. Of course, php also makes me cringe. (yay for Node.JS / ruby /

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Bart Whiteley
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Andrew McNabb amcn...@mcnabbs.org wrote: I haven't heard anything about it being returned to the city.  It sounds interesting, but I'd definitely like to have more information.

Re: Interesting Op Ed about iProvo today.

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 01:06:11PM -0600, Bart Whiteley wrote: http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/article_6bb7c6ba-9a41-56a8-84e0-cbbe81e5d48c.html http://www.freeutopia.org/2011/08/09/where-iprovo-is-going-from-here/ Interesting. Thank you for the links. -- Andrew McNabb

Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Levi Pearson
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, S. Dale Morrey sdalemor...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious, to know if anyone but me has been seeing a lot of consulting work popup where companies are either moving off PHP and onto Java, or vise versa?  Seems like out of the last 10 projects or so I've worked

Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Richard Esplin
Snide troll inserted below. On Friday September 9 2011 15:40:32 Levi Pearson levipear...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, S. Dale Morrey sdalemor...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious, to know if anyone but me has been seeing a lot of consulting work popup where companies are

Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Levi Pearson
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Richard Esplin richard-li...@esplins.org wrote: Snide troll inserted below. On Friday September 9 2011 15:40:32 Levi Pearson levipear...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone wants a magic bullet.  If you're suffering under a mass of unstructured php code, the structure

Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Jonathan Duncan
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Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Matthew Walker
On Fri, September 9, 2011 4:30 pm, Jonathan Duncan wrote: On 09 Sep 2011, at 16:28, Levi Pearson wrote: Good developers with good management and a bit of good fortune could make a nice web app in COBOL if they had to. This, I would enjoy seeing. http://www.coboloncogs.org/ -- Matthew

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Re: Server Racks

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Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Charles Curley
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Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Tod Hansmann
On 9/9/2011 4:30 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote: On 09 Sep 2011, at 16:28, Levi Pearson wrote: Good developers with good management and a bit of good fortune could make a nice web app in COBOL if they had to. This, I would enjoy seeing. It probably wouldn't be hard to get going, actually. You'd

Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Jonathan Duncan
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2011-09-09 Thread Michael Torrie
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Re: javacript array question

2011-09-09 Thread Nicholas Leippe
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