Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-07 Thread Aaron Toponce
On 5/6/2010 3:05 PM, Levi Pearson wrote: Where do you get the idea the Marxism is defined as total authoritarian state economic control? I would say that Marxism is defined by a critique of capitalism that describes how it divides the people into social classes based on who controls the means

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-07 Thread Levi Pearson
Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com writes: This is how I understand it to be as well. My terminology spoke strictly in the economic sense, and not the social sense. I guess I'll have to pull out my political science book again, but Karl Marx said nothing of social regulation: fascism

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-07 Thread Shane Hathaway
On 05/07/2010 10:52 AM, Levi Pearson wrote: The endgame of Marxism and anarchism are essentially the same. Marxism, however, defines a transitional period including a powerful, though democratic, state that is required to reach the goal. The fact that no transitional government inspired by

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-07 Thread Levi Pearson
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Shane Hathaway sh...@hathawaymix.org wrote: On 05/07/2010 10:52 AM, Levi Pearson wrote: The endgame of Marxism and anarchism are essentially the same. Marxism, however, defines a transitional period including a powerful, though democratic, state that is

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-07 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 13:39 -0600, Levi Pearson wrote: I think it's worth knowing what he actually thought and advocated rather than just knowing 'Marx' and 'Marxism' as evil taboo labels vaguely associated with other evil taboo labels like 'socialism' and 'communism'. Marxist. -- XML is

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-07 Thread Shane Hathaway
On 05/07/2010 01:39 PM, Levi Pearson wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Shane Hathawaysh...@hathawaymix.org wrote: So you're saying Marx said: 1. Acknowledge existing social problems. 2. ??? 3. Utopia! That's clearly not what I'm saying. Generally, Anarchists advocate revolution

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-07 Thread Levi Pearson
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Shane Hathaway sh...@hathawaymix.org wrote: Then you're saying Marx said: 1. Revolution 2. Dictatorship 3. Anarchic Utopia! Yes, so long as you understand that 'dictatorship' in this sense means only that the proletariat are the sole governing power, without

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Joseph Hall
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ken Jordan ken.w.jor...@gmail.com wrote: Could they use scp instead? I think you're expecting too much of Alice and Bob. They have a client that they like, and they're sticking with it, no matter what we recommend. The world would be so much easier if everyone

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? That's what the ban hammer is for. Explain to Alice that her FTP client is anti-social and if she persists in using it, you'll lock her account and

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On 06 May 2010, at 11:31, Stuart Jansen wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? That's what the ban hammer is for. Explain to Alice that her FTP client is anti-social and if

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Shane Hathaway
On 05/06/2010 11:23 AM, Joseph Hall wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ken Jordanken.w.jor...@gmail.com wrote: Could they use scp instead? I think you're expecting too much of Alice and Bob. They have a client that they like, and they're sticking with it, no matter what we recommend.

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 06 May 2010 11:31:06 -0600 Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? That's what the ban hammer is for. Explain to Alice that her FTP

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Jacob Albretsen
Quoting Charles Curley charlescur...@charlescurley.com: On Thu, 06 May 2010 11:31:06 -0600 Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: The world would be so much easier if everyone would hurry and switch to Linux, wouldn't it? That's

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:08 -0600 Jacob Albretsen ja...@xmission.com wrote: Quoting Charles Curley charlescur...@charlescurley.com: On Thu, 06 May 2010 11:31:06 -0600 Stuart Jansen sjan...@buscaluz.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:23 -0600, Joseph Hall wrote: That's what the ban

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Michael Torrie
On 05/06/2010 11:48 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: I used to help people set up FTP clients, but one day I decided to set up a simple batch file for my sister. The batch file calls Cygwin's rsync, which transfers over ssh. Now all she has to do is double-click a desktop icon and wait a few

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Aaron Toponce
On 5/6/2010 1:03 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:08 -0600 Jacob Albretsen ja...@xmission.com wrote: Marxist. I figured that right wing nut and Marxist were mutually exclusive. But, hmmm, these days, in a world of assault talk show hosts, etc., maybe they aren't. You are

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 14:36 -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: On 5/6/2010 1:03 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:08 -0600 Jacob Albretsen ja...@xmission.com wrote: Marxist. I figured that right wing nut and Marxist were mutually exclusive. But, hmmm, these days, in a

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Levi Pearson
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/6/2010 1:03 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:49:08 -0600 Jacob Albretsen ja...@xmission.com wrote: Marxist. I figured that right wing nut and Marxist were mutually exclusive. But, hmmm, these

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 6 May 2010 15:05:44 -0600 Levi Pearson levipear...@gmail.com wrote: I figured that right wing nut and Marxist were mutually exclusive. But, hmmm, these days, in a world of assault talk show hosts, etc., maybe they aren't. You are right, I should have included it. Marxism is

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-06 Thread Levi Pearson
Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com writes: On 05/06/2010 03:05 PM, Levi Pearson wrote: predicts its eventual failure through a revolution of the proletariat (working class) and transition through a form of government called Socialism to a form of government called Communism. I was always

Another Group Question

2010-05-05 Thread Joseph Hall
Since we're talking about groups anyway, let me share a situation that I ran across a couple of days ago. We have two designers, we'll call them Alice and Bob. They are both members of a group that we'll call desginers. I set up a directory for them on a server, with the following commands:

Re: Another Group Question

2010-05-05 Thread Kenneth Burgener
On 5/5/2010 4:13 PM, Joseph Hall wrote: But I still wonder, can I block specific users from using chgrp? This is on a RHEL 5.3 box, FWIW. We ran into a similar problem, and ended up with a cron job that would routinely go through the data store and correct ownership and permissions. I