Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-26 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
If you do not like where you work then make a change. The work environment is changing. During my work life the only people working remote were freelancers/contractors. Today we have digital nomads down to just regular remote. And do not forget there are lots of temporary gigs as well as lo

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-26 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
Ryan Petris your on a roll. I wholeheartedly agree. On 2024-04-25 13:45, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote: If you're asking whether the workers got their fair share of building a bridge 100 years ago given that it's stood for 100 years and that it's gotten a lot of use, I'd say that it real

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-26 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
Well said. I was in a union in the 90's. They did nothing for us. Don't forget AZ is a right to work state. In spite of this I see lots of folks living in nice houses, driving nice cars, and go to nice places. Az does well as a right to work state. On 2024-04-25 12:19, Ryan Petris via PL

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:58:18 -0700 >I'm pretty certain that anyone directly involved with that was >prosecuted in some way, including developers that knowingly helped. LOL, I boycotted VW for 50 years because of the Holocaust. Then, just as I was getting ready to

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss
I'm pretty certain that anyone directly involved with that was prosecuted in some way, including developers that knowingly helped. On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, at 2:47 PM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Has anyone worked in foreign country like Germany as a developer or IT > personal? > I wond

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
Has anyone worked in foreign country like Germany as a developer or IT personal?I wonder how they treat workers and the quality usually is pretty good for the end product.They were so good they were able to fix the computer system for the VWs to not work during emissions tests so they could pas

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss
I’ve worked at plenty of places that are more like what you’re saying about FB, but they weren’t working on ISO 900x and CMMI certifications. I was simply reflecting on the fact that we’ve got a lot of national Headquarters for companies here in the Phoenix area that ARE working on these certif

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 25 Apr 2024 11:26:13 -0700 >I assure you, people are not moving to AZ chasing after our amazing >pay scale! Wouldn't this also depend on AZ cost of living? If in place A I make $50K and have $40K in expenses, while in place B I make $100K and have exp

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss
I can't say I've worked anywhere as strict as that, however I'll say that like any other career field, there are good and bad work places. Places that like to overly restrict things are going to lose good developers, and likely don't pay well to begin with. I worked for Meta/Facebook for a year

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss
If you're asking whether the workers got their fair share of building a bridge 100 years ago given that it's stood for 100 years and that it's gotten a lot of use, I'd say that it really doesn't matter. The workers were paid a fair wage for their labor, regardless of what the finished product wa

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss
> On Apr 25, 2024, at 11:49 AM, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > I think we're seeing the effect of Arizona being a provincial, 3rd world > location for headquarters and software development options. > I don’t think this is the case. Anybody who’s ever worked for a company co

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
Hello,  Do you ever wonder if you are really getting rewarded for all the "value" you are providing for that "stake holder"?If  you look at the builders of a bridge for instance that was built 100 years ago when the wages were far below the wage of today you can see that the stakeholders are no

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss
As a software developer of 15 years, I personally would not want a union, at least not one in a traditional sense. Additionally, I've never been in a union so maybe my understanding is wrong or outdated, however my reasoning for not wanting one are: 1. I want my salary/benefits to be based on w

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
would it be time to unionize or change the way business is done in AZ? On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:50:10 AM MST, trent shipley wrote: No.  As a rule software engineers/programmers/developers/computer scientists all see themselves as professionals who are above unionizing and seld

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread trent shipley via PLUG-discuss
No. As a rule software engineers/programmers/developers/computer scientists all see themselves as professionals who are above unionizing and seldom or never do. I think we're seeing the effect of Arizona being a provincial, 3rd world location for headquarters and software development options. It

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss
This appears to be simply a statistical distribution of wages in the state for this particular SIC code. Arizona has never been much of a leader when it comes to wages paid for tech workers, unless it’s a job with lots of competition. I assure you, people are not moving to AZ chasing after our a

Re: AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
Wow!thanks.sure look like they are taking advantage of the Right to work state workers. On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 09:08:07 AM MST, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ ---

AZ Developer Wages, per Feds

2024-04-25 Thread trent shipley via PLUG-discuss
https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss