On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 06:59:41PM -0700, keith smith wrote:
Look at the beginning of the email The citation is there.
There is no citation in the beginning of the email. See the requote
below.
The only explanation I can think of is you wrote Gov meaning Government
and I read it as Governor
:
From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 11:34 PM
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 06:59:41PM -0700, keith smith wrote:
Look at the beginning of the email The citation
wrote:
From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 1:35 AM
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 04:49:09PM -0700, keith smith wrote:
LOL you said it now. Yikes Cash!!
Most probably don't
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 01:59:06PM -0700, keith smith wrote:
Are you saying we should be more progressive? More Gov, More Taxes, More
Redistribution of Wealth, No Big Gulps, type of country?
Don't read more into my post than is there. If you notice, the point I
was making from the quote
Look at the beginning of the email The citation is there.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Monday
I found this on facebook a few minutes ago. I doubt they would give
anyone an answer much less a truthful one, but it would be funny if
enough people started doing this that their phone lines were jammed.
Then they wouldn't have to spend the huge some of money to find out who
we're calling.
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:16:47AM -0700, keith smith wrote:
The letter was titled communities against terrorism and was handed out to
surplus stores in the Denver area. http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/332925/
Scroll down half way and you will see an image of the letter.
Notice the second
Are you saying we should be more progressive? More Gov, More Taxes, More
Redistribution of Wealth, No Big Gulps, type of country?
Keith Smith
--- On Sun, 6/9/13, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story
story keeps getting bigger...
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 1:53 PM
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:16:47AM -0700, keith smith wrote:
The letter was titled communities against terrorism and was
handed out to surplus stores in the Denver area
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Daniel Stasinski dan...@genericinbox.comwrote:
The lack of privacy is only the first step. Next comes identifying and
targeting of political enemies based on nothing more than their
associations.
or their social network.
: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Friday, June 7, 2013, 9:25 PM
What I find frustrating is the number of people in retail who can't identify
American money. A couple of days ago I went to a Burger King and paid with
some
The two dollar coins are from Canada. Britain uses the pound, so a two
dollar coin won't be theirs. I've done that with the two dollar bills
many times.
On 06/07/2013 10:06 PM, Nathan England wrote:
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On 6/7/2013 9:25 PM, Derek Trotter wrote:
What
.
Keith Smith
--- On *Fri, 6/7/13, Derek Trotter /expat.arizo...@gmail.com/* wrote:
From: Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Friday, June 7, 2013, 9:25 PM
Ironically, I went to the post office this morning to mail a package and the
mail lady took my
cash and counted it back to me correctly! I was shocked and had to comment on
this very
discussion. Seems there are still a few people who know how to handle money!
On Saturday, June 08, 2013
That's funny!!
Keith Smith
--- On Sat, 6/8/13, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Saturday
From: Derek Trotter
Keep doing that and it won't be long before you encounter someone
behind the register who says no [cash].
A furniture store in Arlington, VA in 1996 or so refused to take cash
payments. Credit cards and checks were the only things they'd accept. They
did this to remove
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To: Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com
Cc: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 9:22 PM
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On 6/6/2013 9:16 PM, Derek Trotter wrote
to indefinite
detention.
Keith Smith
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, Patrick Callahan patrick.px...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Patrick Callahan patrick.px...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 9:40 PM
There are positive sides to this story:
thrivemovement.com is one of them, and it's a non-violent one.
Be of strong
Okay, I may be feeding the trolls, but I have to ask:
Is there a link to this SELinux is a backdoor thread? I mean it is open
source and the source code has been read by many people inside the US
and out. Is it just the NSA wrote it so it must type of thing?
In my experience the only backdoor
Would RedHat come out in the open and announce that selinux is a backdoor for
the
NSA? No, that would eliminate their OS. Everyone would dump them, Fedora also,
in
droves!
Honestly, I said it originally with tongue firmly in cheek, but I do have my
suspicions.
The NSA has some of the
Not having been a tinfoil hat guy, I have been changing the way I do some things and deleting various accounts that I don't use or don't trust. Mostly in a reaction to this plus some other things that I've been learning.I'm also wondering if there's a way to become a security/privacy/rights
Welcome to the tinfoil hat club!!
Keith Smith
--- On Fri, 6/7/13, josh joshcoff...@gmail.com wrote:
From: josh joshcoff...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Friday, June 7
I just received a phone call from a friend
who began talking with this announcement:
As we speak, please keep in mind that the NSA
is recording, scrutinizing, and analyzing every word.
Sadly, it seems that is the inescapable reality
of the world that we now live in: every phone call,
every text
The lack of privacy is only the first step. Next comes identifying and
targeting of political enemies based on nothing more than their
associations.
Daniel
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
I just received a phone call from a friend
who began talking with this
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 07:21:20AM -0700, keith smith wrote:
The Federal Government is not going to go quietly. The Gov may get to the
point of stopping you from checking out of their game.
Did you know a judge ruled you cannot eat anything you grow without the Gov's
permission?
If
If you really want to keep the tinfoil hat on, lets add that all Medical
records will be online and the government will have access to them.
With the latest supreme court ruling that its lawful to collect DNA at time
of arrest having access to medical records is not much of a reach.
Richard
Where have you been? Obama is already doing that with the IRS...
On Friday, June 07, 2013 12:50:39 PM Daniel Stasinski wrote:
The lack of privacy is only the first step. Next comes identifying and
targeting of
political enemies based on nothing more than their associations.
Daniel
Hey look. I trimmed!
On Friday, June 07, 2013 12:38:38 PM Robert Holtzman wrote:
And the right wing FUD machine rolls on. BTW learn to trim.
...large snip of material that should have been trimmed.
In reality I should have trimmed your whole asenine comment. What planet
wrote:
From: Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Friday, June 7, 2013, 12:38 PM
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 07:21:20AM -0700, keith smith wrote:
The Federal Government is not going to go quietly. The Gov may
That's exactly what I'm saying. But this makes it even easier. The IRS
could only target specific people who self-identified by filling out
paperwork. Now others can branch off and go after all of their friends,
family, business associates, places they frequent, etc.
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at
I happened to work for a small medical clinic in Douglas for a year and a half.
You think
this requiresa tinfoil hat? You are naieve my friend.
The entire program is funded by the government through grants to small clinics
and
hospitals. The programs require the software creators to
That is a very good point Daniel. The IRS can only target people who are self-
identified... But haven't these articles shown the government is into facebook?
And didn't someone just announce a couple months ago that using likes and
dislikes
along with social connections facebook can predict
Yeah, and I hear that John McCain is so eager to listen to his constituents.
Unless you
have $500 bucks to go to dinner with him. And even then, you aren't allowed to
ask
questions.
Our congress is worthless. Contacting them won't do anything. They won't
listen.
Remember, they needed to
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Absolute;y, but the scope was intended to be smaller. Intentions aren't
worth crap. Give this kind of power to a Chicago mobster style politician
and it's only a matter of time before it's used as a weapon.
“If you let me write procedure and I let you write substance, I'll screw
you every
At 12:50 PM 6/7/2013, Daniel Stasinski wrote:
The lack of privacy is only the
first step. Next comes identifying and targeting of political
enemies based on nothing more than their
associations.
Uhhh, can you say IRS?
Daniel
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM,
j...@actionline.com
wrote:
I just
This phone call might be monitored or recorded for quality assurance by the
NSA, IRS...
Keith Smith
--- On Fri, 6/7/13, Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net wrote:
From: Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG
At 01:40 PM 6/7/2013, Nathan England wrote:
That assumes the constitution is
still the supreme law of the land. Does the federal government even have
a copy of it anymore? They haven't followed it for years! Sorry Keith,
but I think we are beyond that.
Can you say Agenda 21? Heard of it? Do
: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: nat...@nmecs.com, Main PLUG discussion list
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Friday, June 7, 2013, 2:32 PM
At 01:40 PM 6/7/2013, Nathan England wrote:
That assumes the constitution is still the supreme law of the land. Does
the federal
Tinfoil hat on. Then they ship it via the USPS, which is the official
government parcel
tracking system, right? As if UPS and FedEX are not already? Since they are all
working
together now anyway.
Why not go to walmart and buy a cheap phone and a 30 day card? It's cheaper
than
the 75
Yeah, no doubt. He wouldn't stick up for his buddy? The guy he supports? Or
because of legal reasons?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnPI7B7ZS9M
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13151889
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Date: Friday, June 7, 2013, 3:35 PM
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Interesting. They destroy all the transactions so they have no proof you
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I'm sorry, but this was too funny. It cannot be racist because it was
okay'd by the Leno joke writers, but it is hilarious!
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On 6/7/2013 9:25 PM, Derek Trotter wrote:
What I find frustrating is the number of people in retail who
can't identify American money. A couple of days ago I went to a
Burger King and paid with some dollar coins and a half dollar. The
girl took
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html
wow, just wow.
Eric
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This really isn't anything new or surprising if you work at or around
isp's - providers have been giving raw optical tap data from internet
peering to government sniffers the likes of Procera Networks and various
others for most of the last decade for ready harvesting on a whim. This
amounts
This country is looking less and less like a free country every day. I
read a few days ago that the FBI wants a back door to all encryption
software. Some may think they're doing nothing illegal, they have
nothing to hide, but the way the IRS and EPA are harassing B.O.'s
opponents proves
...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com
Subject: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 3:24 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet
How dare you talk about our country like that.
Don't worry Mr President, I got your back, give me a call when you read
this.
;^)
On Jun 6, 2013 5:00 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com wrote:
This country is looking less and less like a free country every day. I
read a few days ago
During the antitrust trials it came out that the NSA has had a back door into
Microsoft
for years. We all know the NSA has a back door into Linux with the Selinux
code...
Why not encryption stuff? I'm sure it's there and we just don't know it yet.
Doesn't
one of the guys who created RSA
to the U.S.Constitution.
Keith Smith
--- On Thu, 6/6/13, Nathan England nat...@nmecs.com wrote:
From: Nathan England nat...@nmecs.com
Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 8:04 PM
On 06/06/2013 08:04 PM, Nathan England wrote:
During the antitrust trials it came out that the NSA has had a back
door into Microsoft for years. We all know the NSA has a back door
into Linux with the Selinux code...
Is it possible to use encryption software (pgp, truecrypt, etc) without
You have not offended me. I have no problem with anyone's religion
unless they believe their god wants them to force it upon me or to kill
me because I don't want to be one of them.
On 06/06/2013 09:08 PM, Nathan England wrote:
I hope I have not offended anyone, but I appreciate the open
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On 6/6/2013 9:16 PM, Derek Trotter wrote:
Is it possible to use encryption software (pgp, truecrypt, etc)
without selinux or in such a way the selinux backdoor isn't a
problem?
You know what is interesting, I decided to use Ubuntu because
On 06/06/2013 08:16 PM, keith smith wrote:
My suggestion is everyone needs to contact their U.S. Senators and
their U.S. Congressman or Congresswoman.
Unless you like what is going on it is time to vote for someone who
will protect our rights.
If that does not work run for office.
Also we
of it!
Keith Smith
--- On *Thu, 6/6/13, Eric Cope /eric.c...@gmail.com/* wrote:
From: Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com
Subject: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 3:24 PM
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On 6/6/2013 9:39 PM, Derek Trotter wrote:
On 06/06/2013 08:16 PM, keith smith wrote:
My suggestion is everyone needs to contact their U.S. Senators
and their U.S. Congressman or Congresswoman.
Unless you like what is going on it is time to vote
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On 6/6/2013 9:52 PM, Patrick Callahan wrote:
As it happens, I'm an atheist. I, at least, am not offended,
although I am a bit surprised. That did seem to come out of
nowhere.
Anarchy is actually something I kind of hope for, although not
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