Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Dean
On May 20, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: Personally I vote for RRDNS so that your domain name has multiple IP's associated with it. DynDNS polls every few minuets for availability and will automatically remove dead servers. That is what clustering is all about :) Keith originally

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-21 Thread Bryan O'Neal
If this is true then I completely agree. While a cluster addresses both concerns of availability and performance, setting up for just availability is easier. In addition if one focuses on just availability one can perform certain tricks to allow for increased timeliness with catastrophic recovery

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-21 Thread keith smith
Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:23 AM On May 20, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: Personally I vote for RRDNS so that your domain name has multiple IP's associated with it. DynDNS polls

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-21 Thread Stephen
! Keith Smith --- On *Fri, 5/21/10, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org* wrote: From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:23 AM On May 20, 2010

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-21 Thread keith smith
?  Keith Smith --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 2:28 PM This is a little

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-21 Thread Bryan O'Neal
storing DNS for some period of time that might be up to 72 hours. Have I misunderstood? Keith Smith --- On *Fri, 5/21/10, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-20 Thread keith smith
After reading this I am wondering if there is a way to point one IP to another in DNS? Keith Smith --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-20 Thread JD Austin
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 13:52, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: After reading this I am wondering if there is a way to point one IP to another in DNS? Keith Smith No but you can use a CNAME entry to point a name to another or have multiple addresses for the

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-20 Thread JD Austin
--- On *Wed, 5/19/10, Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com* wrote: From: Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 6:09 PM One thing struck me here with your

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-20 Thread Alex Dean
On May 20, 2010, at 3:52 PM, keith smith wrote: After reading this I am wondering if there is a way to point one IP to another in DNS? The idea is that you want your www.site.com to be available from either server A or server B? If so, don't worry about switching your DNS. Instead,

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-20 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Personally I vote for RRDNS so that your domain name has multiple IP's associated with it. DynDNS polls every few minuets for availability and will automatically remove dead servers. That is what clustering is all about :) Also I forgot to respond regarding the mysqldump -if your db cannot be

RE: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Taylor, Kaia
What extent of writing will the servers be doing? a) mostly read-only - eg: two web servers that get the same content updates once in a while, but not every minute), or b) writing too -- eg: will there be data written on a fairly constant basis to either web server, that will then have to be

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Alex Dean
On May 19, 2010, at 2:47 PM, keith smith wrote: Hi Plug, I am considering combining the sites on two servers and creating a load balanced configuration. One server will be in one data center and another will be in a different data center. This is to ensure if one data center goes

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Matt Iavarone
I think the original question was around stateless load balancing, not clustering. Cross DC clustering is a headache, but HA web sites aren't exactly terchnical challenges these days. On May 19, 2010 4:33 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On May 19, 2010, at 2:47 PM, keith smith wrote:

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Alex Dean
On May 19, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Matt Iavarone wrote: I think the original question was around stateless load balancing, not clustering. Cross DC clustering is a headache, but HA web sites aren't exactly terchnical challenges these days. He said he wanted 1 server in each data center, so

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Dan Dubovik
The question I have, are you trying to actually load balance things? Or just have a remote location that you can fire up with live data at a moments notice? Basically, are you wanting an active/active configuration, or active/passive? active/active across DC's can get kind of hairy depending on

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread keith smith
feedback! Keith Smith --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 1:45 PM

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
that is a automated fail over solution. I appreciate all your feedback! Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 5/19/10, Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Alex Dean
On May 19, 2010, at 4:07 PM, keith smith wrote: In a nutshell I am trying to create an automated backup that is a automated fail over solution. Keep in mind that failover/HA is not the same as backup. It makes sense that both servers can do both jobs (you could keep your backups on

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread keith smith
Very good points!  What is an easy way to automate backing up a dozen or so tables on a MySql Server? Keith Smith --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
? Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 5/19/10, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org* wrote: From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 3:07 PM On May 19

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Ed Knapp
: Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 1:45 PM The question I have, are you trying to actually load balance things? Or just have a remote location that you can

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Matt Iavarone
an issue. In a nutshell I am trying to create an automated backup that is a automated fail over solution. I appreciate all your feedback! Keith Smith --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com Subject: Re: load

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Matt Iavarone
that is a automated fail over solution. I appreciate all your feedback! Keith Smith --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Dubovik dand...@gmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Alex Dean
On May 19, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: mysql dump on a cron job. You write the dump pipe it to gzip and set the name with the date and life is golden. mysqldump is great if it's OK for your database to be locked while the dump is going on. If that's acceptable, it's definitely

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread keith smith
a...@crackpot.org Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 6:40 PM On May 19, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: mysql dump on a cron job. You write the dump pipe it to gzip and set the name with the date

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread keith smith
along the way cache the IP?   Keith Smith --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, May 19

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Dan Dubovik
/ application is forwarded to the old IP address, and encounters an error. Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 5/19/10, Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com* wrote: From: Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
, and encounters an error. Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 5/19/10, Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com* wrote: From: Ed Knapp catber...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: load balanced configuration To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, May

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Ed Knapp
Similar idea... It sounds like the change in the NIC hardware caused a loss of connectivity because of The Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) information in the local router/switch¹s cache. DNS relates a name record to an IP address and ARP associates the IP address with the Physical hardware

Re: load balanced configuration

2010-05-19 Thread Ed Knapp
Absolutely. In practice, this is not that big of an issue but I was more commenting on this As a potential situation. I was serious about having someone standing over the shoulder anxiously Awaiting the service to come back up. That scenario was my first thought and it sucks when it happens and