Owen Smith wrote:
I envisage an iPlayer plugin update that just gets Listen Again working
using RTMP. That appears to be quite simple, and covers a lot of use
cases (I've got several people at work that keep asking me when Listen
Again is going to be fixed, none of them use play live).
.
PasTim wrote:
If you want to try squeeze2upnp several of us are prepared to help, as
I'm sure you know. The program author even uses it with Sonos.
This whole iPlayer saga has put me off, frankly. Thanks for the offer of
help though, I do appreciate it. If iPlayer is ever fixed (properly,
Thanks bpa. Never had the pictures before.
Great picture on Radio 4 Drama Shorts, New Irish Writing, Tommy Moon
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bpa,
Many thanks for this hack to get the LS pictures.
Just one question - in my BBCXMLParser.pm file there is the following
where you suggest adding the lines marked in red
Code:
my $icon;
Your instructions said add the lines in red
Awesome work folks...have my triode up and running again and listening
to Bob Harris..woot!
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I noticed I had lost Listen Again last Wednesday and saw that fixes were
already being posted. I knew I wouldn't have time to sort the problem
out until today and was dreading the idea of trawling back through the
plugin thread, so many thanks to castella for this summation.
And once again many
mick_w wrote:
Sitting on the side-lines and demanding an update isnt very
constructive.
Until we see some stability from the BBC, there's really no point in
updating the plugin just yet.
I am not demanding anything, I'm trying to get the discussiin started.
There is a point updating the
Owen Smith wrote:
I am not demanding anything, I'm trying to get the discussiin started.
There is a point updating the plugin. The vast majority of LMS uses are
not capable of patching the plugin. There are probably about 30 people
in the world who have it working at the moment, based on
Owen Smith wrote:
I envisage an iPlayer plugin update that just gets Listen Again working
using RTMP. That appears to be quite simple, and covers a lot of use
cases (I've got several people at work that keep asking me when Listen
Again is going to be fixed, none of them use play live).
I
Owen Smith wrote:
That attitude dooms LMS to being run by quite a small number of people.
And that is the reality of the situation and always will be. That's why
Logitech dumped it, that's why we're a disregarded blip on the BBC's
radar. We're a small group of techies, to a greater or smaller
bpa wrote:
Wordpad on Windows handles lines ending properly and intelligently (i.e.
matches what is already in the file).
Hmmm, just tried this with Worldpad on Windows 7. I opened a pm file and
saved it under a different name without changing anything, and the file
size increased by 250
Owen Smith wrote:
I've written and published free open source software in the past and
I've supported it, for the RISC OS community. I don't need telling what
is involved in doing so.
I am not demanding anyone do anything. I'm trying to explain what is
needed to keep LMS alive for more
castalla wrote:
It's really just a case of copying, editing and renaming some files
(others have done the graft on the files(. You're making more of it
than is necessary.
I'll put the effort in when I really need it I expect. At the moment I'm
using my Freeview PVR to record my regular
krell wrote:
I can't get the system to update. I ensured that the correct url was in
the 3rd party repository and it wouldn't update. I uninstalled v 1.1 and
now am unable to get anything. what am i missing? Thanks in advance
Make sure you enter the full respository location in the plugins
Owen Smith wrote:
Sonos does everything LMS does except for playing the handful of hi res
files I have.
But keep in mind that Sonos users are in much worse shape currently with
regard to listening to BBC or BBC listen again than SB users. And there
seems to be no solution in sight for them.
garym wrote:
But keep in mind that Sonos users are in much worse shape currently with
regard to listening to BBC or BBC listen again than SB users. And there
seems to be no solution in sight for them.
If you are not prepared to manually edit files, Sonos and LMS are in
almost the same
Anybody else experiencing the constant re-buffering of SiriusXM in the
past 2 days on Squeezebox radio ? The stream will play for about 30
seconds then in needs to fill the buffer again. Haven't had a problem
before. My iphone Sirius App plays just finde if connected to the same
home network and
Owen Smith wrote:
Patches are not viable long term. In a year's time the patch list could
be very large. Then there are the majority of LMS users who aren't
capable of applying patches.
By insisting on sticking to patches you are turning the iPlayer Plugin
into a little clique of about 30
Owen Smith wrote:
I am not demanding anything, I'm trying to get the discussiin started.
There is a point updating the plugin. The vast majority of LMS uses are
not capable of patching the plugin. There are probably about 30 people
in the world who have it working at the moment, based on
castalla wrote:
Well, point them at the fix guide - it takes only one file replacement
for RTMP streams.
I have done, but some of them are sales and marketing people and have no
clue at all how to go about that.
Why is there this assumption that anyone running LMS can dive in and
edit files
Owen Smith wrote:
I have done, but some of them are sales and marketing people and have no
clue at all how to go about that.
Why is there this assumption that anyone running LMS can dive in and
edit files without cocking it up? That attitude dooms LMS to being run
by quite a small number
schmollywood wrote:
Anybody else experiencing the constant re-buffering of SiriusXM in the
past 2 days on Squeezebox radio ? The stream will play for about 30
seconds then in needs to fill the buffer again. Haven't had a problem
before. My iphone Sirius App plays just finde if connected to
krell wrote:
I can't get the system to update. I ensured that the correct url was in
the 3rd party repository and it wouldn't update. I uninstalled v 1.1 and
now am unable to get anything. what am i missing? Thanks in advance
You have to enable additional repositories as well as adding the
OK, I've installed ffmpeg on my Synology DS412+ now - instructions
here...
https://github.com/CutePoisonX/ffmpegInstaller
So now I can install bpa's PlayHLS plugin and hopefully will be able to
get the BBC HLS streams to work on my squeezebox.
Thanks to all those who have helped with this - I'm
expectingtofly wrote:
Forgive me for saying so, but I think you are missing the point. Nobody
disagrees with you. However, triode owns the code. It is his, nobody
else can amend the code. Nobody can demand any more from him, as he
has done everything so far for nothing, with no
Owen Smith wrote:
I've written and published free open source software in the past and
I've supported it, for the RISC OS community. I don't need telling what
is involved in doing so.
I am not demanding anyone do anything. I'm trying to explain what is
needed to keep LMS alive for more
castalla wrote:
Stop quibbling! Of course, a new plugin is needed. Are YOU going to do
it?
As far as I'm concerned, the patches simply demonstrate that a new
plugin is possible,
Without the patches, there would be silence.
If it was in C I'd do it. But Perl seems to resist my every
PasTim wrote:
You seem to be saying Listen Again isn't working, which it is if you
follow the relatively straightforward instructions at
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103312-BBCiPlayer-plugin-a-guick-fix-guide
bpa and others have spent a great deal of time helping the rest
Owen Smith wrote:
Patches are not viable long term. In a year's time the patch list could
be very large. Then there are the majority of LMS users who aren't
capable of applying patches.
By insisting on sticking to patches you are turning the iPlayer Plugin
into a little clique of about 30
I can't get the system to update. I ensured that the correct url was in
the 3rd party repository and it wouldn't update. I uninstalled v 1.1 and
now am unable to get anything. what am i missing? Thanks in advance
krell's
Owen Smith wrote:
If you are not prepared to manually edit files, Sonos and LMS are in
almost the same situation with BBC live and listen again - it doesn't
work for either of them. The only difference is on LMS we have a
demonstration that it can be fixed.
Well, the Sonos could be exactly
PasTim wrote:
Are you suggesting a plugin that works for some, or even most, but not
all users? Plugin developers have strived very hard to avoid such
solutions, and as I understand it there are still issues around ffmpeg
that haven't been resolved, and so people would still have to tinker
ian_heys wrote:
My time has been limited but I've found out that Arch Linux uses an
alternative to init.d called systemd and the syntax and locations are
somewhat different. I've done some experimentation but haven't been
successful yet. When I get more time I'll follow up with more
bpa wrote:
Updated plugin to V1.8
1. Change to support BBCiPlayer changes because of BBC changes to Listen
Again
2. Change order of programs to be the same as BBC website - so that
Latest programs are now shown in reverse chronological order (i.e.
most recent programs first)
Add this
I wonder if someone with SB3s would be able to solve this puzzle: when
playing if I use the IR remote on SB3 and go in 'Smart Mix Options',
then select any option, such as 'Play more like this song', things do
not go as expected.
- If I press 'play' on the remote to activate the option displayed,
Owen Smith wrote:
I have done, but some of them are sales and marketing people and have no
clue at all how to go about that.
Why is there this assumption that anyone running LMS can dive in and
edit files without cocking it up? That attitude dooms LMS to being run
by quite a small number
bpa wrote:
Updated plugin to V1.8
Change to support BBCiPlayer changes because of BBC changes to Listen
Again
Fantastic job BPA - now have listen again working, and great to see more
info being displayed on the web page view.
:cool:
ftlight wrote:
I've tried editing a couple of the updated HLS and RTMP pm files over
the last few days, and every time I would get an error when running the
BBCiPlayer plugin. As an old Unix guy I should have figured it out
immediately, but after failing to get this patch to work just now,
JohnB wrote:
bpa,
Many thanks for this hack to get the LS pictures.
Just one question - in my BBCXMLParser.pm file there is an existing line
in the position where you suggest adding the lines marked in red in your
post
Your instructions said add the lines in red - am I right in
Time for me to join others in saying thanks to those who have done the
work on updating. Losing Listen Again would have been a disaster for
me.n
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Owen Smith wrote:
We need an updated plugin. More patches are not helpful, especially for
a non essential feature like pictures.
The discussion about who might be able to update the plugin stalled,
because at the time Listen Again was working. That is no longer the
case.
Sitting on the
bpa wrote:
To get pictures back into Listen Again add the lines in red into the
BBCXMLParser.pm file around line 132 (depends on how patched the file
is)
Code:
.
.
my $key;
if ($opts-{'bykey'}) {
if
bpa wrote:
To get pictures back into Listen Again add the lines in red into the
BBCXMLParser.pm file around line 132 (depends on how patched the file
is)
Code:
.
.
my $key;
if ($opts-{'bykey'}) {
if($entry-{'brand'} ) { $key =
bpa wrote:
This is well known and has been agreed.
I am not in the UK and patches are necessary to test if they works for
UK Listeners as well.
Updating a plugin is not just a simple job of merge patches - it implies
a willingness to be responsible for the plugin and this not for a few
bpa wrote:
Updating a plugin is not just a simple job of merge patches
I've been a bit distracted for the last few days - just got back to
basics and implemented your latest HLS tweaks. Great stuff - all your
efforts are very much appreciated. Squeezebox will always come out on
top whilst
Owen Smith wrote:
We need an updated plugin
This is well known and has been agreed.
I am not in the UK and patches are necessary to test if they works for
UK Listeners as well.
Updating a plugin is not just a simple job of merge patches - it implies
a willingness to be responsible for the
Another quick update - this one just brings back pictures
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Thank you. Truly outstanding work and hugely appreciated!!I love the
plug in and it's great to be reunited after some anxious weeks.
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Owen Smith wrote:
We need an updated plugin. More patches are not helpful, especially for
a non essential feature like pictures.
The discussion about who might be able to update the plugin stalled,
because at the time Listen Again was working. That is no longer the
case.
You seem to be
New iPlayer plugin - we missed you. Great to have you back!
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Owen Smith wrote:
I've just halted and restarted LMS but no new iPlayer plugin. What makes
you think there's an update? After all this time I think Triode might
post here about the update.
Because on my RasPi2 , after a message and a reboot I have iPlayer
(v1.3.1 alpha1). Not had much time
ftlight wrote:
Does it still need ffmpeg to be installed?
Apparently not, since I never installed it on my WHS V1 server.
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majones wrote:
Additional Repositories:
http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/testrepo.xml
Well the name implies it's a test, but given my iPlayer plugin is
completely non functional at the moment I have nothing to lose. I'll try
adding the repo.
Hi I'm trying to get alsaequal to work But i can't find this file
/usr/local/bin/squeezelite_settings.sh
can you help me find it please? Thanks
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Owen Smith wrote:
Well the name implies it's a test, but given my iPlayer plugin is
completely non functional at the moment I have nothing to lose. I'll try
adding the repo.
That worked, now on BBC iPlayer (v1.3.1alpha2). Haven't seen if it works
yet.
majones wrote:
Additional Repositories:
http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/testrepo.xml
It appears to have full HLS functionality without needing PlayHLS.
Miraculous!
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Owen Smith wrote:
That worked, now on BBC iPlayer (v1.3.1alpha2). Haven't seen if it works
yet.
I think a fairy Godfather may be at work :)
LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit,
44.1-192kbps. LMS Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp ESLs)
Marantz CR603 UPnP
majones wrote:
It appears to have full HLS functionality without needing PlayHLS.
Miraculous!
Does it still need ffmpeg to be installed?
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expectingtofly wrote:
The BBC IPlayer plugin is a third party supplied plugin. I wasn't
referring to any wider point about LMS that you are referring to. (Nor
am I entirely sure why you are correlating the two)
I'm correlating the two because for myself and several people I know at
work,
Brilliant, happy days! :cool:
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I can live without a little graphic on Listen Again. I have a stream I
can listen to, and select where in the stream I want to be. That's got
us back to where we should be (hugely creditable in the absence of the
plugin author), and a significant amount further forward than many
internet radio
Sure. What is the problem? This should just work.
Where are you trying to play it? What doesn't work?
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Hi I started my trip with LMS by buying a max2play, maybe this question
should be asked elsewhere?
Anyway here it comes. I found how to sync two players with each other in
LMS but it does not seem to work with more than two players, is that
correct or am I doing something wrong?
If not
AkeTrak wrote:
Hi I started my trip with LMS by buying a max2play, maybe this question
should be asked elsewhere?
Anyway here it comes. I found how to sync two players with each other in
LMS but it does not seem to work with more than two players, is that
correct or am I doing something
ChipMonk wrote:
New iPlayer plugin - we missed you. Great to have you back!
I've just halted and restarted LMS but no new iPlayer plugin. What makes
you think there's an update? After all this time I think Triode might
post here about the update.
ChipMonk wrote:
New iPlayer plugin - we missed you. Great to have you back!
Are you thinking of BBC iPlayer Extras? If so, see
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?72709-Announce-BBCiPlayerExtra-v1-0p=811920viewfull=1#post811920
LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24
Owen Smith wrote:
That worked, now on BBC iPlayer (v1.3.1alpha2). Haven't seen if it works
yet.
Stream preferences show HLS MP3 FlashAAC FlashMP3, or HLS
MP3, or just HLS for both live and on demand.
Inability to force FlashAAC instead of HLS for Listen Again may mean
Radio 3 is reduced
PasTim wrote:
I think a fairy Godfather may be at work :)
I wonder what Triode thinks of all our prattling here during his
absence, and indeed the discussion about his absence.
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Fixed.
MyApps did not appear on principal menu but now all is OK
Thanks
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PasTim wrote:
It's mostly still working for me, at least for a few items I just tested
again. There are some older programs that were in wma that don't want
to play any more on my system.
Thanks, on clicking a few more links iPlayer Extra had some links
working and some not. It goes back
Big, big thank you to everyone - I now have Listen Again, er, again!
I'm set up for -The News Quiz- over dinner tonight. I'll try to get
Listen Live sorted tomorrow.
Thanks again,
Dave
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up to date ffmpeg
http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=153t=75074
seems to have a .bin which can be installed and seems to work just fine,
no extra instances with Play HLS.
Thanks to all who have kept this
Bonjour Pippin,
I am listening some music via Qobuz and plugin installed on LMS.
Is there a way to play Qobuz Music via iPeng or not because I don't find
it ?
Thanks
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I don't find the Qobuz icon on iPeng.
This one is present on Squeebox Touch menu and on Web Interface but not
on iPeng.
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Owen Smith wrote:
I've just halted and restarted LMS but no new iPlayer plugin. What makes
you think there's an update? After all this time I think Triode might
post here about the update.
Additional Repositories:
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berrange wrote:
Having thought about the problem a little more, I think it might not
actually be as hard to solve as I first feared. The youtube-dl python
program has some reasonably straightforward code for interpreting the
javascript unobfuscation code in the HTML5 player. It ought to be
Looking in the server log, as expected the Radio 3 HLS Listen Again is
128kbps AAC. A shame, and the new plugin doesn't have a way to prefer
RTMP/Flash for Listen Again.
Do we know why the BBC have disabled HLS Listen Again 320kbps AAC?
ChipMonk wrote:
Go on, admit it. You're really loving it too.
Moi? :D
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Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) upplay (control
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Brilliant thanks, took five mins on Windows 7 with Squeezebox Classic.
Live and listen again streams all worked perfectly first time.
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bpa wrote:
I am outside the UK. Whatever is happening is by accident and not
design. I cannot even see what is happening. Extras just locates a
program pid, creates an URL and then passes the URL to BBCiPlayer to
play. IIRC the created URL is the exact same as the one BBCiPlayer as
long
bonze wrote:
No, looks like there is a new HLS.pm as part of the update.
I've removed PlayHLS and ffmpeg from my system and it works OK :)
The new HLS.pm seems to allow time shifting for Listen Again (whereas
PlayHLS/ffmpeg didn't) so good old Triode seems to be providing complete
Unfortunately its not the Wifi strength. The signal is 100% just iike it
has always been. The wifi channels also havent changed, there are no
interferences AND any other stream except for the ones coming through
the SiriusXM app are 100% fine ! No interruption whatsoever. I noticed
that when
castalla wrote:
So, I'm guessing the new plugin and the the Play HLS can't co-exist.
What needs to be disabled to get the plugin working?
I just unchecked PlayHLS - if BBC iPlayer doesn't automatically update
on server restart check that you have
Please shoot me down in flames but I suggest that people who value
having R3 LA at 320kbps and who find the previous hacks are working fine
might prefer to hold off installing the new update to the plugin until
either it also provides 320kbps LA or until the existing hacks fail.
(This is in no
castalla wrote:
So, I'm guessing the new plugin and the the Play HLS can't co-exist.
What needs to be disabled to get the plugin working?
I think they'll coexist fine. PlayHLS/ffmpeg looks to be required to
play HLS streams outside Triode's BBCiPlayer or bpa's BBCiPlayerExtras -
for
Owen Smith wrote:
World Service live appears not to work, either UK or non UK.
Working OK here, in UK.
Although a couple of other stations wouldn't at first attempt, Radio2
for example.
Then worked when clicked again.
LMS Version: 7.9
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2x Touch, 3x SB3
PasTim wrote:
I'm rather hoping someone somewhere is rather enjoying watching us flail
around getting stuff to work using an unannounced great enhancement of
no official provenance.
Indeed. The mystery now is why he hasn't posted anything for quite some
time.
Mnyb wrote:
LMs can synk as many players as you like ( or until you reach the
practical limits of your setup , network etc ) that comes with LMS
itself .
Can I do something wrong?
I have three players and I can sync all combinations but only two at a
time, never all three together. Any
PasTim wrote:
I'm rather hoping someone somewhere is rather enjoying watching us flail
around getting stuff to work using an unannounced great enhancement of
no official provenance.
Go on, admit it. You're really loving it too.
Of course it just might be an undercover SAS Operation
PasTim wrote:
You may not mean it to be but this really sounds like a complaint about
an unofficial, unannounced, alpha plugin provided by someone who doesn't
want to engage directly with his (or her) users for reasons that are
none of our business. Can I suggest being grateful for what we
PasTim wrote:
Why not show gratitude for work done, or even pleasure, in the
improvements we have, than just make bald 'statements of fact' about
things you don't like in a piece of software that hardly officially even
exists yet? I sometimes wonder if people realise that it is people that
rmgalley wrote:
ericj - Post 3308
I'm not clear if you were able to successfully enable m3u8 support. I
tried the ffmpeg version from the NETGEAR ReadyNAS site, and it did not
work for me.
Details of how I got my ReadyNAS Ultra 4 working were posted here -
owen smith wrote:
as i've said in a previous post, it is a great joy that triode is still
with us and working on the iplayer plugin. Of course i'm grateful, but
i'm probably a typical yorkshireman and don't say thankyou as often as i
should.
:)
LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04,
I'm in the habit of favouriting all the live urls for easy access they
all stopped working (were HLS links using the modded OPML file).
Now remade all the favourites with the new URLs.
Mysterious release but welcome #128522;
Owen Smith wrote:
World Service live appears not to work, either UK or non UK.
Uk user, World Service running fine at 64kbps aac
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Dragging the play position for Listen Again barely works. I managed to
get it to work once jumping back 10 minutes (Radio 3), but I've never
got it to work since.
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ChipMonk wrote:
Yep, that's the bad news. But I'm sure it'll be fixable
Indeed it should be fixable, either by preferring RTMP or by the BBC
re-enabling the HLS BBC Radio 3 Listen Again 320kbps stream.
This is a minor issue compared to the joy that Triode is still with us
and working on the
Owen Smith wrote:
It's not a complaint at all, it's a statement of fact. It's a shame we
haven't got the 320kbps AAC Listen Again for Radio 3.
ut a
Text is a poor medium for communication and results in all sorts of
mis-understandings, like this one.
All the more reason to take care with
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