Re: Update to recommended TLS settings

2015-08-06 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 02:55:42AM +0200, DTNX Postmaster wrote: > For most systems, monitoring the status of their encryption just isn't > done at all; they use the defaults their device or server came with at > the time they purchased it, and rarely keep up with the times. They don't need to.

Re: Update to recommended TLS settings

2015-08-06 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On 06 Aug 2015, at 21:44, Michael Ströder wrote: >>> simply look whether their system uses STARTTLS or not and won't check >>> which particular ciphers are used. IMO it might be a good learning effect >>> for >>> them if you disable STARTTLS for them. >> >> This is wrong. RC4 is not worse than

Re: Update to recommended TLS settings

2015-08-06 Thread Wietse Venema
Michael Str?der: > Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 10:25:04AM +0200, Michael Str?der wrote: > > > >>> On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 09:13:53AM +0200, Sven Schwedas wrote: > Why medium and not high, while we're at it? What clients would have > problems with it? > >>> > >>> Be

Re: Update to recommended TLS settings

2015-08-06 Thread Michael Ströder
Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 10:25:04AM +0200, Michael Str?der wrote: > >>> On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 09:13:53AM +0200, Sven Schwedas wrote: Why medium and not high, while we're at it? What clients would have problems with it? >>> >>> Because cleartext is not stronger t

Re: Ownership/Permissions of /var/spool/postfix

2015-08-06 Thread Wietse Venema
Wietse Venema: > Rich Shepard: > >During the most recent upgrade I inadvertently altered owner, group, > > and/or permissions in /var/spool/postfix. I've looked for information in all > > the README files that seemed applicable but have not found a list of how > > /var/spool/postfix subdirector

Re: Ownership/Permissions of /var/spool/postfix

2015-08-06 Thread Wietse Venema
Rich Shepard: >During the most recent upgrade I inadvertently altered owner, group, > and/or permissions in /var/spool/postfix. I've looked for information in all > the README files that seemed applicable but have not found a list of how > /var/spool/postfix subdirectories should be set. Please

Re: Ownership/Permissions of /var/spool/postfix

2015-08-06 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: # postfix set-permissions Except on Debian systems where it might not work, because the Debian "postfix-files" file (in $daemon_directory for recent enough releases) often has more files list than are actually deployed by Postfix packages. Viktor,

Re: Update to recommended TLS settings

2015-08-06 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 10:25:04AM +0200, Michael Str?der wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 09:13:53AM +0200, Sven Schwedas wrote: > >> Why medium and not high, while we're at it? What clients would have > >> problems with it? > > > > Because cleartext is not stronger than medium. If you make T

Re: Ownership/Permissions of /var/spool/postfix

2015-08-06 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 11:02:46AM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: > I want a list of owners, groups, and permissions I can keep here so I can > repair inadvertent changes during future upgrades. # postfix set-permissions Except on Debian systems where it might not work, because the Debian "postf

Re: Ownership/Permissions of /var/spool/postfix

2015-08-06 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Michael J Wise wrote: This is from a MacOS 10.9 instance, so it's not quite current, and the user is ... a bit weird, but it should help as a data point. Good luck! Thanks, Michael. Rich

Re: Ownership/Permissions of /var/spool/postfix

2015-08-06 Thread Michael J Wise
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Michael J Wise wrote: > >> Needs Group Write. > > Michael, > >Ah, I should have seen that. > >> See that little "s"? >> That's special. > >Yep. I learned that maildrop and public need to be set gid. > >It would still be useful to have a complete list of owners, gr

Re: Ownership/Permissions of /var/spool/postfix

2015-08-06 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Michael J Wise wrote: Needs Group Write. Michael, Ah, I should have seen that. See that little "s"? That's special. Yep. I learned that maildrop and public need to be set gid. It would still be useful to have a complete list of owners, groups, and perms for the

Re: Ownership/Permissions of /var/spool/postfix

2015-08-06 Thread Michael J Wise
>During the most recent upgrade I inadvertently altered owner, group, > and/or permissions in /var/spool/postfix. I've looked for information in > all > the README files that seemed applicable but have not found a list of how > /var/spool/postfix subdirectories should be set. Please point me t

Ownership/Permissions of /var/spool/postfix

2015-08-06 Thread Rich Shepard
During the most recent upgrade I inadvertently altered owner, group, and/or permissions in /var/spool/postfix. I've looked for information in all the README files that seemed applicable but have not found a list of how /var/spool/postfix subdirectories should be set. Please point me to a doc tha

Re: postscreen dnsbl weighting with new(est) spamhaus return codes -- experiences/data?

2015-08-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, PGNd said: > On quick investigation, @ spamhaus now says > (http://www.spamhaus.org/news/article/713/) return codes have changed: Those are dbl response codes, not zen. You are mixing the two up, but they are very different. -- Chris Adams

postscreen dnsbl weighting with new(est) spamhaus return codes -- experiences/data?

2015-08-06 Thread PGNd
Some time ago, I'd cribbed the following postscreen dnsbl weights from an experienced users' post ... iirc, it was on this list ... postscreen_dnsbl_threshold = 5 postscreen_dnsbl_sites = b.barracudacentral.org=127.0.0.2*7 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[10;1

Re: check_policy_service not working - need a 4eye method or..

2015-08-06 Thread Wietse Venema
Istvan Prosinger: > On 2015-08-06 13:50, Istvan Prosinger wrote: > > Got it. > > I have made a small perl script as a service that would only return > > reject as a policy (that sould have rendered most of the mailing > > impossibble), and postfix was still mailing happily. Since I have > > recompi

Re: check_policy_service not working - need a 4eye method or..

2015-08-06 Thread Istvan Prosinger
On 2015-08-06 13:50, Istvan Prosinger wrote: Got it. I have made a small perl script as a service that would only return reject as a policy (that sould have rendered most of the mailing impossibble), and postfix was still mailing happily. Since I have recompiled Postfix from the source, it was ou

Re: check_policy_service not working - need a 4eye method or..

2015-08-06 Thread Istvan Prosinger
Got it. I have made a small perl script as a service that would only return reject as a policy (that sould have rendered most of the mailing impossibble), and postfix was still mailing happily. Since I have recompiled Postfix from the source, it was out of the question the the process was faul

Re: Update to recommended TLS settings

2015-08-06 Thread Michael Ströder
Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 09:13:53AM +0200, Sven Schwedas wrote: >> Why medium and not high, while we're at it? What clients would have >> problems with it? > > Because cleartext is not stronger than medium. If you make TLS > impossible for peers that only support medium, t

Re: Update to recommended TLS settings

2015-08-06 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 09:13:53AM +0200, Sven Schwedas wrote: > > You should in most cases update main.cf by setting: > > > > # Exclude obsolete weak crypto. > > # > > smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 > > smtpd_tls_ciphers = medium > > smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3

Re: Update to recommended TLS settings

2015-08-06 Thread Sven Schwedas
On 2015-08-06 09:08, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > Recent updates to the supported Postfix releases have updated the > default settings of the OpenSSL ciphers used for opportunistic TLS > from "export" to "medium. > > If you're not yet using one of the releases from mid July, or > have set non-defau

Update to recommended TLS settings

2015-08-06 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
Recent updates to the supported Postfix releases have updated the default settings of the OpenSSL ciphers used for opportunistic TLS from "export" to "medium. If you're not yet using one of the releases from mid July, or have set non-default values for either of: smtpd_tls_protocols smtp