2 GB limit

Dear PowerMail-discuss members, The wrote the mail below on Oct 12th to CTM, no reaction, apparently they not only ceased development but also support. Maybe somebody here knows how they will handle 2GB-limit in the future, if not then I will be forced to switch to another mail client. -- For

2 GB limit

Since I didn't get any reply to my mail from 22.10.2010, I now repeat my question: Are there plans to give up the 2 GB limit? Paul

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(It's a pitty. CM support doesn't react since weeks. Longe queue of mails - failure report comes back. Telephone is not working neither. Strange behaviour, really! Very annoying) > >Dear PowerMail-discuss members, > >The wrote the mail below on Oct 12th to CTM, no reaction, apparently >they not on

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Paul, No, we haven't ceased support or answering, we have tied up amidst releasing new versions of our FoxTrot line of products [and the associated technical answers] and personal issues, it is true that PowerMail support has languished and I apologize for this. It really shouldn't take this long

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Paul Schneider (22/10/10, 09:43) said: >Are there plans to on give up the 2 GB limit? This is the worst thing about PowerMail for me. I've managed to carry on using it by exporting some of my mailboxes to Apple Mail. I don't find User Environments to be a useful workaround. The pr

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:43) said: > >> Are there plans to on give up the 2 GB limit? > > This is the worst thing about PowerMail for me. I've managed to carry on > using it by exporting some of my mailboxes to Apple Mail. I don't find > User Environments to be a useful workaround. > &

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On 5-Nov-10, at 3:13 PM, Paul Schneider wrote: Since I didn't get any reply to my mail from 22.10.2010, I now repeat my question: Are there plans to give up the 2 GB limit? P I saw the reply to that email... Synopsis: 1: no 2: use archive feature -- John Snippe

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e I didn't get any reply to my mail from 22.10.2010, I now repeat >my question: > >Are there plans to give up the 2 GB limit? > >Paul > > > >

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Paul Schneider (powerm...@speedware.at) on 2010-11-05 18:11 said: >Thank you John, good to know that I'm not the only one. In case CTM >keeps ignoring my question about the limit, I'm afraid that I have to >drop PM too. Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure which to choose...

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On 9-Nov-10, at 9:31 PM, Sean McBride wrote: Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure which to choose Currently using mail.app, but don't like it. I may try mailsmith. -- John Snippe

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On 11/9/2010 6:42 PM, John Snippe wrote: On 9-Nov-10, at 9:31 PM, Sean McBride wrote: Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure which to choose Currently using mail.app, but don't like it. I may try mailsmith. The closest I've found to PowerMail [on the dark side

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Am 10.11.10 11:31, schrieb Sean McBride: Paul Schneider (powerm...@speedware.at) on 2010-11-05 18:11 said: Thank you John, good to know that I'm not the only one. In case CTM keeps ignoring my question about the limit, I'm afraid that I have to drop PM too. Which email client are you all swit

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CTM info (9/11/10, 14:54) said: >Contrary to popular belief, removing the 2GB per database maximum size >limit is a considerable endeavour indeed Personally, I don't think that the 2GB limit is the core problem. The core problem is that Powermail uses a single monolithic database (which has a 2G

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John Snippe 9-11-2010: >Currently using mail.app, but don't like it. I may try mailsmith. no way mate, other than no actively developed MS hasn't IMAP support neither html too. -- -m

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Sean McBride (9/11/10, 02:31) said: >Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure which to choose What are the pluses and minuses of switching to Apple Mail? I know it was hinky in the past, but I think that many of the problems that it used to suffer from have now been resolve

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Jeremy Hughes wrote (Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:10:14 +): > [Apple Mail] > 1. Separate databases for each mailbox rather than a single monolithic > database (this solves the 2GB limit issue and backup problem) Just to be accurate: Nowadays Apple Mail saves each _message_ as a single file, MBOX was d

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Tobias Jung (11/11/10, 13:32) said: >Nowadays Apple Mail saves each _message_ as a single file, MBOX was >dropped with the Tiger version. You're right... ... and yet searching seems to be very fast (but with fewer options than PowerMail, unless I'm missing something). >Of course, this also solv

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Jeremy Hughes wrote (Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:47:02 +): > Tobias Jung (11/11/10, 13:32) said: > >> Nowadays Apple Mail saves each _message_ as a single file, MBOX was >> dropped with the Tiger version. > > You're right... > > ... and yet searching seems to be very fast (but with fewer options th

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On 11-Nov-10, at 9:13 AM, Tobias Jung wrote: So I merely guessed that there might be people here who don't like thousands of message files, too. I like it (conceptually)... don't know that it has a benefit. Might even hurt as regards system performance, no? I just wish the files were cl

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Jeremy Hughes (jer...@softpress.com) wrote: > I'm not sure what's so wrong with having thousands of message files - > most application packages (e.g. Safari) contain thousands of resource files. Just try to copy one 1 MB file versus 1000 files of 1 KB each ... Not to mention that a monolithic fil

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George Henne wrote (Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:54:59 -0500): > My Time Machine backup probably > is running 30 minutes out of every hour - and it's all due to Powermail. I doubt that. Even under the worst conditions, copying a single 2 GB file shouldn't take more than a few minutes. My guess is that th

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Michael J. Hußmann (11/11/10, 14:58) said: >Just try to copy one 1 MB file versus 1000 files of 1 KB each How often do you copy or move your mail folder? >So I'm all for the monolithic database approach. I don't care if a >backup needs to copy the whole file - copying a single file is fast. Not

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Jeremy Hughes (jer...@softpress.com) wrote: > How often do you copy or move your mail folder? Every time I do a backup. Actually if I do a complete backup, copying the message database is the fastest part and nothing to worry about; it's copying the attachments folder that takes time (lots of mos

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Hi, as database programmer I can say that both approaches have benefits and drawbacks. Database: Pro: fast useage, fast copying Con: if it's hosed, then it's really kaputt. However, most issues should be fixable by deleting the index. Incremental backups are not so easy. Files: Pro: simple, pr

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Michael J. Hußmann (11/11/10, 16:43) said: >> How often do you copy or move your mail folder? > >Every time I do a backup. Well, I don't know what backup program you use - and you obviously have much less mail than me since you don't care about the 2GB limit - but my backups are much larger and s

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>I just checked - PowerMail is responsible for 90% of of the backup >activity on my system. (I use TimeMachine). The problem is that if just >one email comes in an hour (which always happens), the complete database >gets backed up again. One database per folder would reduce the backup >requiremen

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on Thu, Nov 11, 2010 "Jeremy Hughes" may have said: >>Just try to copy one 1 MB file versus 1000 files of 1 KB each > >How often do you copy or move your mail folder? Every day, alternating between a firewire Flash drive and a network share via XServer 19.6. Speed wise, here's the difference bet

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Lane Roathe (11/11/10, 05:33) said: >Speed wise, here's the difference between one large file and lots of >small files: > >Flash XServer >1 x 250MB large file: 35MB/s 65MB/s >1000 x 1K-4K files: 2MB/s 6MB/s If you need to copy lots of small files over a network

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Hi Lane, >I just pruned my DB to keep it under the 2GB limit, so it only has a >little over 25,000 emails. Do you really mean 25,000? My PM database is under 600 MB with 90,000 messages. Jim -- Jim Pistrang JP Computer Resources Certified Member, Apple Consultants Network 413-256-4569

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n average my messages take up 10 KB in the message database. Should that trend continue the 2 GB limit would be good for 200,000 messages which would be adequate for my needs. - Michael Michael J. Hußmann E-mail: mich...@michael-hussmann.de WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de WWW (

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on Fri, Nov 12, 2010 "Jim Pistrang" may have said: >>I just pruned my DB to keep it under the 2GB limit, so it only has a >>little over 25,000 emails. > >Do you really mean 25,000? Yes, but that's after pruning. ie, 25,000 in a 250MB DB file. >My PM database is under 600 MB with 90,000 messages

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22 okt 2010 kl. 12.19 skrev Jeremy Hughes: The monolithic database format is also an issue for backup programs that work at a file level (Retrospect, Time Machine etc.) These have to back up the entire database (rather than active or changed mailboxes) every time they run. Erroneous ass

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MiB (14/11/10, 07:36) said: >>The monolithic database format is also an issue for backup programs that >>work at a file level (Retrospect, Time Machine etc.) > >Erroneous assumption. I think you missed my point, even though you quoted it. QRecall, by its own description, doesn't work at a file l

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Jeremy Hughes skrev 2010-11-15 13.52: MiB (14/11/10, 07:36) said: The monolithic database format is also an issue for backup programs that work at a file level (Retrospect, Time Machine etc.) Erroneous assumption. I think you missed my point, even though you quoted it. QRec

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George Henne wrote 2010-11-11 18.14: I just checked - PowerMail is responsible for 90% of of the backup activity on my system. (I use TimeMachine). The problem is that if just one email comes in an hour (which always happens), the complete database gets backed up again. One database per folder wo

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Bill Schjelderup skrev 2010-11-11 23.50: Check out Crashplan.com The Pro version looks promising, though I'd prefer if they'd have any number of seats instead of fixed numbers.

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Peter Lovell skrev 2010-11-12 00.31: the PM database is great for storage and access efficiency, but not so good for incremental backup. Only with suboptimal tools that is. The sparsebundle image idea is also quite useful for those that can't switch backup solution quickly. /MB

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Jean Michel, I am interested in your "too good to refuse" offer on Foxtrot. Let me know how I can participate. Very Truly Yours, Gunnar Madsen -- Gunnar Madsen | G-Spot Records http://www.gunnarmadsen.com "Two Hands is amazing in every way. Sublime, fascinating music in its purest form. Highl

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der and newer data, so archiving is no solution for me. I appreciate the great filter and search function in Power Mail but they only make sense when all mails are in the same database. Are there plans to on give up the 2 GB limit? Paul

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John Snippe (j...@snippe.ca) wrote at Fr, 5. Nov 2010, 15:22 Uhr: >I saw the reply to that email... I have read the reply too but still I didn't get an answer to my question. For the stated reasons workarounds are no solution, to take a decision I have to know if they will drop the limit in the n

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John Snippe (j...@snippe.ca) wrote at Fr, 5. Nov 2010, 16:06 Uhr: >Given that they didn't follow-up on that supplementary request for >info, I think you'd be safe to assume "no"... I'm fraid so too, but still I wanted to give it one last try before I pension off my constant companion PowerMail. P

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John Snippe (j...@snippe.ca) wrote at Fr, 5. Nov 2010, 17:16 Uhr: >There actually is life after PM, Paul. I had to leave it behind part- >time for a year, as I had to split my time between two locations and >only had one PM license (and didn't want to buy a second). That 'part >time' finally ende

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At Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:31:50 -0400, the quick nimble fingers of Sean McBride wrote: >>Thank you John, good to know that I'm not the only one. In case CTM >>keeps ignoring my question about the limit, I'm afraid that I have to >>drop PM too. > >Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not s

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Barbara Needham (barbara...@newsguy.com) wrote at Di, 9. Nov 2010, 22:32 Uhr: >The closest I've found to PowerMail [on the dark side... Windows] is >Thunderbird. There are als some clients based on Thunderbird, e.g. Postbox: Paul

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Sean McBride (cwat...@cam.org) wrote at Di, 9. Nov 2010, 22:31 Uhr: >Which email client are you all switching to? I'm not sure yet which mailclient to use in the future. At the moment I'm testing different ones. Paul

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Mark, On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:01:20 +, Mark S. P. Smith wrote: >for people trying to work >around the 2GB limit, being asked to buy another application is not a >good answer, IMHO. I can agree to this point of view. There is something we can do here: if a consensus builds that our approach t

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nged folders). I'm fortunate that my database is comfortably within the 2 GB limit but the always-backing-up is a problem. I have commented in the past that a somewhat Rube Goldberg/Heath Robinson solution is to have your database in a sparse bundle disk image. The mounted image appears as a regula

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I think the idea of one file per folder is an interesting compromise. The current single large database concept doesn't work anymore. It's bad for the power users with 2 gig of messages - but it's also very bad for people using Time Machine style backups. My Time Machine backup probably is running

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I just checked - PowerMail is responsible for 90% of of the backup activity on my system. (I use TimeMachine). The problem is that if just one email comes in an hour (which always happens), the complete database gets backed up again. One database per folder would reduce the backup requirements dram

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On Thu, Nov 11, 2010, George Henne wrote: >I just checked - PowerMail is responsible for 90% of of the backup >activity on my system. (I use TimeMachine). The problem is that if just >one email comes in an hour (which always happens), the complete database >gets backed up again. One database per

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Time machine has some very nice characteristics, but don't use it over a network. Check out Crashplan.com -- the basic software is free. I moved my company to it this summer, and it's working great. The free version does a backup once a day, or you can buy a version that can do more frequent backu

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On Thu, Nov 11, 2010, George Henne wrote: >I just checked - PowerMail is responsible for 90% of of the backup >activity on my system. (I use TimeMachine). The problem is that if just >one email comes in an hour (which always happens), the complete database >gets backed up again. Further on this

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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010, CTM info wrote: >>for people trying to work >>around the 2GB limit, being asked to buy another application is not a >>good answer, IMHO. > >I can agree to this point of view. There is something we can do here: if >a consensus builds that our approach to indexing archived mai

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I for one may take Jean Michel up on this offer. I do not need to get around the 2 GB limit, but being able to search through all the attachments as well as the message database itself makes this worth considering. I have some old archived mail folders (for long dead accounts) which it would also

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MB - excellent point - I've used the sparsebundle option for my notebook when I travel, although the primary objective was to have my data encrypted without using Apple's home folder encryption model. For long trips I carry a backup drive so I can backup my notebook when crashplan can't communicate

2 GB limit and Spotlight

I saw in the docs that indexing for Spotlight doubles the size of the message database. Does that mean that my message database which has a size now af around 1.7 GB can not be indexed for Spotlight because of the 2 GB file limit? Kind regards, Jan M.J. Storms, M.A.S.C.I.

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On 5-Nov-10, at 3:57 PM, Paul Schneider wrote: to take a decision I have to know if they will drop the limit in the next future. Given that they didn't follow-up on that supplementary request for info, I think you'd be safe to assume "no"... -- John Snippe

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On 5-Nov-10, at 4:42 PM, Paul Schneider wrote: I'm fraid so too, but still I wanted to give it one last try before I pension off my constant companion PowerMail. There actually is life after PM, Paul. I had to leave it behind part- time for a year, as I had to split my time between two lo

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Am 10.11.2010 um 11:29 schrieb Paul Schneider: > Sean McBride (cwat...@cam.org) wrote at Di, 9. Nov 2010, 22:31 Uhr: >> Which email client are you all switching to? > > I'm not sure yet which mailclient to use in the future. At the moment I'm > testing different ones. > > Paul I switched to Ap

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On 11/10/10 5:29 AM, "Paul Schneider" wrote: > Sean McBride (cwat...@cam.org) wrote at Di, 9. Nov 2010, 22:31 Uhr: >> Which email client are you all switching to? > > I'm not sure yet which mailclient to use in the future. At the moment I'm > testing different ones. > > Paul > > > For a blog

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Jan M.J. Storms wrote: >I saw in the docs that indexing for Spotlight doubles the size of the >message database. Does that mean that my message database which has a >size now af around 1.7 GB can not be indexed for Spotlight because of the >2 GB file limit? No, you can index it; as spotlight can