Re: [OT] Some scary events in Republican party

trillion.    - Original Message ----- From: graham dobson To: ProFox Email List Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Some scary events in Republican party The figure quoted in the economist puts the actual cost of the TARP between 10 billion and 15 billion.  The tr

Re: [OT] Some scary events in Republican party

oFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Some scary events in Republican party If the TARP made money, why is the deficit projected to be in the hole by $14 trillion over the next ten years. Something is not adding up. - Original Message - From: "graham dobson" To: "ProFox Ema

Re: [OT] Some scary events in Republican party

others to follow. How's this for starters: the biggest event is the bailouts giving to bankers and wall streeters. Trillions of dollars wasted with no   The bail outs are likely to cost a fraction of the initial figures.  The government has actually made money selling GM and AIG shares.  Also T

Re: OLEDB VFP in Visual Studio

Just a shot in the dark but are you referencing the OLEDB dll and is it registered. In earlier versions of .NET you needed a sub key under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\.NETFramework\AssemblyFolders. The original Framework SDK also came with a tool called Type Library Importer which creat

Re: [OT] Free Trade Phallacies

Dangerous terrorist cells can form anywhere but I would suggest that these would be terrorists are nothing more than loony amateurs and are completely isolated and unsupported by any communities in America. > OF course there is evidence. There have been many muslims arrested during the last 7

Re: [OT] Free Trade Phallacies

> Hi Graham! > > That is not the report from the street. My sister says it is a "ghetto" > where our house is. That means the opposite of integration - > segregation. The impact on the last white family is that they are set > upon by roving gangs of racist teenagers bent upon hate crimes over > ima

Re: [OT] Free Trade Phallacies

> > Hi Graham! > > I was born in Detroit. My sister still lives in the house we grew up in. > She says the Arabs are a real problem, but the n-words are even worse. I > was up for a visit in 1995, the place looked like a cross between > post-war Dresden and some of those pictures of South Africa. >

Re: [OT] Free Trade Phallacies

> Yes, they are making more money for Jihad than their French counterparts. > No, my point is they are not. There are 3.5 million of them and they are Americans. Don't you think that they have been under the microscope since September 11th? Has there been any evidence of a home grown fifth col

Re: [OT] Free Trade Phallacies

> > *perfect* behavior in regard to laws. > > America protects religious liberty better than anywhere else. The first amendment of the constitution states that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free excercise of religion. As far as integration goes the American ladder of education, inc

Re: [OT] Free Trade Phallacies

The Muslim students in the survey were actually Danish born medical, engineering and business students. Deporting people over traffic tickets seems a bit extreme don't you think? > > Of course, "considering" leaving is not the same as leaving. The big > macs and the ipods are a powerful draw or

Re: [OT] Free Trade Phallacies

To finally decimate once and for all any idealistic notions about our Nordic cousins. A recent article on Roma Gypsies titled "Bottom of the Heap" with a subtitle "The dismal lives and unhappy prospects of Europe's biggest stateless minority" makes the claim that Sweden practiced "forced steriliza

Re: [OT] Free Trade Phallacies

> > Really? In what way am I less free than a Dane? > > Well, I've seen how your police force handles manifestations they don't > like. Let me tell you that does not happen in Denmark. And a citizen > won't get different treatment based or race or origin, as we can agree > happens in your country.

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> America are moderately well off. And you wouldn't even have what you do if Nothing moderate in those last statements, Pete. Please forgive me. Your civility, good nature and wit are well received here and I promise I will utter no more foul unpleasantries. Graham.

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> Yeah, right, if they *can*. But what if they can't? And how many can? Looking > at it another way, why should they? Family, tradition, home, friends - all > are secondary to the f***ing billionaires getting more billions at the > expense of the poor or "becoming poor"? > At least all of them are

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> > Immigrants Hit Hard By Repossessions > The Economist of March 24, 2007 included a 3 page briefing titled "The trouble with America's Housing Market" and I think it's worth summarizing here because the economic fallout from this "collapse" in the sub-prime lending market has uncertain conseque

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> > Graham, thanks for posting this paper. It is, indeed, exactly what I > was trying to say. I can't quite understand what the taxation of land > at the end was supposed to do to try to help the falling standards of > workers in the richer countries, however... > > I'd like to float an idea that

Re: [OT] How about a real first lady?

> I was taught that "Americans" are people who live in the AMERICAN CONTINENT. > That's actually two continents. Graham. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

Sorry Pete. I found this article on globalization and pay which backs up most of the things you are saying. I tried to paste it into an email message but after three unsuccessful attempts it seems to have vanished. So here is the url. Not sure about the prescription but the diagnosis confirms y

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> > >jobs that locals won't do > > Hi Graham! > > This is the big lie that this propaganda is based on, "jobs that locals won't > do". Americans will do any job, they just won't work for substandard wages in > dangerous working conditions. > As the population ages, the US and other western countrie

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> This country is becoming Mexican, there's no doubt > about it. > > That means: > > Low wages > Low education > loss of national sovereignty > Actually education is definately a means of maintaining national sovereignty. What language and histroy is taught in American schools? Graham _

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> the US poor. > -- To return this thread to it's origins I would like to bring to your attention an article from the June 16, 2007 Economist about how the electorate is irrational. The article cites a book by Bryan Caplan, economics professor at George Mason University titled "The Myth of the R

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> > lunch. I think a lot of people are working very hard to help the poor world > > You are surely a virgin. (your innocence, I mean). > The Milleniam Development Goals at least focused a number of different rich and poor world groups on a target date and a committment to "make poverty history".

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> Under Scandinavian rules, i.e. socialism. > > > In fact Estonia, > > Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Finland are all in the top 30 Economic > > Freedom index published by the Economist. > > No under respect for private property, market driven economic policy and the private control of the

Re: [OT] How about a real first lady?

> > Hahaha! FYI ALL Argentine men are 'American men'. So please, if you will > answer, make an intelligible statement. > > > Everybody understands an "American" to be from the United States. You are the only person in the world who is confused about this. Graham. _

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> > Are you even aware that there is widespread poverty in the US? Do you know > that US poverty is being made even worse by illegal immigration, H1B, > downsizing, "free-market" imports, pension defaults, "buyouts" and a whole > host of other techniques that the suits use to bust labor down to min

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> So tell me what the solution is to the rich people eating the poor people's > dinner. You can't rationally think there is no problem in this regard. > I'm tired Pete, and I'm not sure what you mean by eating the poor man's lunch. I think a lot of people are working very hard to help the poor wo

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> > Really? > Go tell the Nordic countries! Fast! Before they collapse! > > > > > > Please tell that to USA's economists! So we won't have any more problems > at Doha with subsidized agriculture. > > > Monopolistic behaviors are inherent to the free market. I guess you are > saying that sanctions a

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

, > etc.). Globalization makes richer countries poorer while making poorer > countries richer. i disagree. I think globalization has the potential to make everyone richer. Graham. Entrepreneurs have always struggled against people, mostly governments, trying to control capitalism. And who exac

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> The community imposes a $4.99 tarriff on each imported widget to relieve and > maybe retrain the starving workers. Of course, no young people will aspire to > become widget makers, unless they live in China. The warehouse suit meanwhile > screams bloody murder about "rational allocation of capita

Re: [OT] Invest in American Labor?

> > Helio W. wrote: > > > >> " If american workers can't stay competitive, why should the > >> government help them? Competition is good for capitalism. " > >> > >> LOL > >> > > > > > > Yeah! Let's be upright Republicans! Full liberalism! Get government out > > of business way! > > You people who w

Re: [OT] Worst Economy since the Great Depression - Dow Breaks Record!

Record! > Remember, the stock market is a leading indicator of > what will happen 6 months to a year from now. > > > > --- Graham Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > well Mike, the real excitement in the markets this > > year are the far east and > >

Re: [OT] Worst Economy since the Great Depression - Dow Breaks Record!

7 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Worst Economy since the Great Depression - Dow Breaks Record! > Aren't you a wet blanket. > > > --- Graham Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well the trade balance stands at -829.9 billion > > dollars, the current account &

Re: [OT] Worst Economy since the Great Depression - Dow Breaks Record!

Well the trade balance stands at -829.9 billion dollars, the current account balance is -6% of GDP, the budget balance is -1.4% of gdp, interest rates are 5.25%, gdp was only up 1.9% for Q1, industrial production was only up 1.6% for May and inflation is running at 2.7% for May and 4.2% up on a yea

Re: [OT] Doctors involved in Terror Plot

Many of them become citizens posthumously. Your point? Graham - Original Message - From: "Michael Oke, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Doctors involved in Terror Plot > Graham Dobso

Re: [NF] Good .NET email lists?

http://discuss.develop.com/ - Original Message - From: "Fletcher Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'ProFox Email List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: [NF] Good .NET email lists? > Hi all, > > > > Like some of you, I have been using .NET for a while. Do you know of any

Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

> > Is this what people want, the cheapest possible health care? A recent Economist article (June 30 2007) titled "An Unhealthy Burden" and citing research from Duke University, the Pacific Research Institute and the Cato Institute claimed that Health Care is one of America's most heavily regulate

Re: [OT] -- Standard Conservative Responses to Health Care Reform

The irony is that the USA spends a larger percentage of GDP on health care than any other country (and by a wide margin). You also have more doctors per population than any other countries except for Cuba and Italy, but don't even rank in the top thirty for number of hospital beds per population.

Re: [OT] Doctors involved in Terror Plot

> The Nazis rounded up German citizens and exterminated > them. > > I propose rounding up the non-citizens and deporting > them, not exterminating them. > > > They began in 1933 with the banning of Jewish scientists and academics. Big gain for the west (Albert Einstein for one) and a huge loss fo

Re: [OT] Doctors involved in Terror Plot

I would also like to point out that during the most recent World Cup that the US army advertised on Arab radio and television. They need Arabic speakers. But aside from that "every 'slim outside of 'slimobia" (wherever that is) is entitled to the same privacy and freedom as everyone else. We ca

Re: [OT] Doctors involved in Terror Plot

> Round em up > Boat em out > > Round em up > Boat em out > > Round em up > Boat em out > > This sounds an awful lot like what the Nazi's did to the Jews. Graham. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/ma

Re: [OT] Doctors involved in Terror Plot

> Every 'slim outside of 'slimobia, either actively, publically combat terrorism > and the brand of Islam that fosters it, putting their own swarthy butts on > the line, or pack it up back to their own cesspool countries. They are either > with us or they are against us. > -- > Regards, > Accordin

Re: [OT] Doctors involved in Terror Plot

> It doesn't matter whether they're all bad or not, you > get rid of them all and you don't have to worry about > picking and choosing. Not all mosquitos will bite > you, but spraying all of them will still protect you. We went to war against just such bigotry 68 years ago this September, mind y

RE: [OT] Getting a gun permit in Israel

>Not as free as the US, but a little free: >http://www.jpfo.org/derfner-people.htm Israel doesn't rate very highly in any of the quality of life surveys. And if you live in Jerusalem you could probably use a gun. Graham. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox

RE: [OT] London Mayor Ken Livingstone is a moron

>Great Britain is not *very* free, however. Can't smoke, can't have a gun - UK ranks higher than the USA on the economic freedom index published by the Heritage Foundation. The UN Development Programme has both countries ranked in the top 10 of its Human Development Index. Neither country had a

RE: [OT] London Mayor Ken Livingstone is a moron

> >As long as there is a USA, Great Britain and Israel will have an ally. >-- Everyone in the free west should be thankful for that. Graham. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-f

RE: Bidding for jobs based upon the number of tables involved

>labedl 5, 10, 20, 30, 50, 60, 70, 80, 125 and so forth. When a client >wanted to know how long the job would take, how many billable hours >were involved or what the cost of the job was, the consultant would >spin the Bill-O-Meter and apply the correct units of measure (weeks, >months, hundreds of

RE: [OT] London Mayor Ken Livingstone is a moron

>>ms-a7ad41d.html > >Hi Michael! > >British SUBJECTS can't own guns or light up at the pub, either. >War on their >own countrymen while embracing the enemy. We are going to have to >save their >bacon again, and we will, no matter what they do to us. Israel as well. >-- >Regards, > You've already g

RE: [OT] London Mayor Ken Livingstone is a moron

>> Time to put the Muslims on a boat and send them back >> to the Middle East. > >Hi Michael! > >Then Israel would have to deal with them. At least Israel knows how. >-- Yeah, they've done a bang-up job for the last 60 years. Graham. ___ Post Messages

RE: [OT] London Mayor Ken Livingstone is a moron

> >Time to put the Muslims on a boat and send them back >to the Middle East. > > > Most of the British terrorists have been Pakistani or Somali, but regardless they represent a lunatic fringe. Muslims make a huge contribution to the British economy in financial services, engineering, medicine, acad

RE: [OT] London Mayor Ken Livingstone is a moron

> >Useful idiot > >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070630/tuk-britain-attacks-mayor-sau >di-muslims-a7ad41d.html > Not sure what to think of this. I find Red Ken to be a repulsive politician of the worst sort. But I have to agree with him on the criticism of Wahabbist radicalism and the role the

RE: Bidding for jobs based upon the number of tables involved

> >> Gustav Karner has done research while at Rational Software on estimating >> software construction costs based on use cases. The idea of weighting >> objects due to complexity and a useful set of factors to consider when >> determining complexity make this kind of interesting. His ideas are >

RE: Bidding for jobs based upon the number of tables involved

>What was the name of that software that M$ was coming out with to >compete with IBM's Rational Clearcase/Clearquest tool.that wasn't >Team Studio, was it? > >-- Is it Team Foundation Server? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/teamsystem/default.aspx plus there is this: http://blogs.msdn.com

RE: Help - cannot create word.application

> >On 6/29/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ...and I forgot to say: >> >> Use GetObject(,"Word.Application") to open word if it is ALREADY running. > >Thanks Dave. Here CreateObject() works even if Word is already running. > >I just spoke to our Irish dealer - I was wrong about the o

RE: [NF] Windows 2000 Professional under someopen source virtualmachine.

>our industry. >> > It will rank right up there with Vaporware and Futureware. >> > The future belongs to Wetware, apparently. Graham. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free v

RE: [NF] iPhone So Good!

> >On 6/27/07, Andy Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ... and on that site Google raised you: >> http://web.nseries.com/products/n95/#l=products,n95,demo >> > >Very sweet. I'm in a telephony backwater here, so I'm not inclined to >even pay for a cell phone. My Personal Doodling Assistant is a pa

RE: [OT] New Poll: The Cause of the war in Iraq

> >Tell me something that the "African-American" >community does that makes any sense. > Music, Sport and Barack Obama... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

>Erhh... that would be Isabel Peron (her real full name is Maria Estela >Martinez de Peron), Eva was Peron's first wife and died a long time ago. > Which one sang don't cry for me Argentina? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenanc

RE: [NF] iPhone So Good!

> > >So why is it so great then? > >I can't see anything brilliant or new about it? > >Tristan > > Full-fledged Safari web browser? I-Pod upgrade for the kids? Graham? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

>Ok. After I go to your home and kill your family, and steal your car, >THEN I'll ask you to forget it all, and if you refuse then you'll be >"very much still stuck in an outraged past". The military here (the ones >who killed 60,000 people) say the same thing, that we must forget in >order to heal

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

> >Lets talk about Nicaragua. Killing civilians (peasants), is it terrorism >or guerilla warfare? Because it was a common thing for the 'Contras' to >do. Or civilians must be killed by a bomb to be terrorism? And if the >one who plants the bomb has a uniform then he is not a terrorist? Are >those c

RE: Bidding for jobs based upon the number of tables involved

Gustav Karner has done research while at Rational Software on estimating software construction costs based on use cases. The idea of weighting objects due to complexity and a useful set of factors to consider when determining complexity make this kind of interesting. His ideas are condensed at th

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

I think you confuse guerilla warfare with terrorism. Global terrorists blew up the world trade center, the London underground, the Madrid train system, the Bali night clubs, US embassy's in Kenya and Tanzania, the USS Cole, holiday resorts in Egypt and Turkey and are a threat to crash a plane into

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

On June 6 2007, the US army and the Turkish came very close to conflict. The Turks have moved a massive military presence to the Kurdish border and have said that they will not accept an independent Kurdish state. Ditto Iran which is also home to a Kurdish population at least as large as its Shia

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

> >Why do you think it would take a "strong Sunni" leader to unify Iraq. Because that's what is lacking in the current equation. Iraq has to be composed of the real representation of all the three main groups, Kurd, Sunni and Shiite. But it will take a strong Sunni political movement to end the i

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

> > Oh, so you must have been opposed to the removal of Saddam, since >anyone with even a bit of knowledge of the region knew that only his >ruthlessness was able to hold together that unstable mix of divergent >interests. All military assessments before the invasion agreed that >it w

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

> I believe these fanatical jihadists are completely warped. America and the west are not the cause of their hatred. Warped clerics and teachers from their repressive, backward homelands and an extreme, intolerant reading of Muslim religious texts are. The vast majority of Muslims are as sickened

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

7 8:09 AM >To: ProFox Email List >Subject: Re: [OT] Tokyo Rose > > >On Jun 23, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Graham Dobson wrote: > >> I think there is also a moral obligation not to abandon Iraq. A >> failed >> state in the heart of the middle east will be a breeding ground for

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

t by the US would be cowardly and immoral. Look at what happened in Somalia. Graham. > > >On Jun 22, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Graham Dobson wrote: > >> Nonsense. The families of the three Canadian soldiers killed in >> Afghanistan >> this weekend know different. Counter-in

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

> >Please point me to the congressional declaration of war. With whom are >we at war; the Sunni, the Shiite, the insurgents, the kurds, the >Islamics? We can't be at war with Terrorist, because the term is to >broad; to undefined. Terrorism is a tactic, usually violent, used to In Iraq, in Afg

RE: Automation with Word 2007

>run my automation. Gawd, it was an ugly sight. Nothing worked >properly, and >trying to fix it was so overwhelming I decided then and there that I >was done trying to code for Office automation. I was not about to recode >all the stuff needed to bring Office97 functionality to Office 2000.

RE: [OT] Tokyo Rose

. There is no war to >oppose; no war to end. Nonsense. The families of the three Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan this weekend know different. Counter-insurgency (in Iraq or anywhere else) is still war-fare. And David Patreaus wrote the book on it for the US military. Graham. ___

RE: [OT] Political Hiring in Justice Division Probed

Justice Department and the >Bush Administration's power gained through subverting it. > >Regards, > >LelandJ > >Graham Dobson wrote: >> The president appoints and fires US attorneys who represent the federal >> government in district courts. Reagan and Clinton r

RE: [OT] Political Hiring in Justice Division Probed

The president appoints and fires US attorneys who represent the federal government in district courts. Reagan and Clinton replaced all 93 attorneys each on taking office. Stuart Taylor a legal affairs writer for the National Journal states that It is reasonable for a president to dismiss prosecut

RE: [NF] The Top 10 Dead or Dying Computer Skills

> >David Hanson at Microsoft Research was doing some work on a library that >allowed you to do .NET from C. TIOBE.com always lists C as one of the top >three programming languages on its chart. Graham. > Correct that, it was a compiler with some additional switches. Graham. __

RE: [OT] You RAM is a document?

> >Only if you go by the popular vote count and the ACTUAL electoral >college count...since by both measures, Gore Won. And that's not even >including the caging in Florida and other dirty tricks to suppress >Democratic voters in many states. > > >But then who cares about counting the votes anymor

RE: [NF] The Top 10 Dead or Dying Computer Skills

> >I suspect even Vi$ta itself is based on C, just that Micro$oft doesn't >allow the next generation of .Net programmers from using C. > >Linux, Unix and Mac OSX are definitely based on C. > > David Hanson at Microsoft Research was doing some work on a library that allowed you to do .NET from

RE: [NF] You RAM is a document?

>I think judges should have some basic knowledge of what they are ruling >on so he can make an intelligent/reasonable ruling. > To paraphrase the May 19 2007 Economist. The legal system is in danger of being overloaded by the problem of electronic discovery. In the discovery process both parties

RE: [OT] Hipe or truth?

> >Things Your Media Momma Didn't Tell You >Friday, June 15, 2007 > > > > Shite and Onions. First their is the blanket accusation "corporate media" does not tell things that only he can tell. Then their is the crack down on civil liberties which hasn't happened yet but

RE: [OT] Hamas and Fatah and those like them

roFox Email List //Subject: Re: [OT] Hamas and Fatah and those like them // // //Graham Dobson wrote: //> Who's going to protect the trade routes from pirates? //> //> // //We supply goods to ourselves. We start putting the American workforce //to work again instead of selling out jobs t

RE: [OT] Hipe or truth?

// // //If these idiots had written this about anyone except a //politician, they'd have slander and libel suits //against them. // //The same old fuck-wads keep using the word "impeach" //but they're too retarded to understand that a High //Crime or Misdeameanor would have to take place first, //n

RE: [OT] Why the democrats failed

// //What are your grandkids going to do with the waste of nuclear power? It's //not going away in many lifetimes. There is noting cheap or free with //respect to it. You have to mine more raw materials and then //transform them //to work in your reactor. // I believe the latest plan is to bur

RE: [OT] Why the democrats failed

//Not nearly 1.2 TRILLION dollars... I believe the total is more on the //magnitude of 590 million: // Which is approximately the GDP of New York City, Tokyo or the entire country of Canada. To be fair we can't seem to predict the cost of construction for buildings these days let alone wars that

RE: [OT] Hamas and Fatah and those like them

Who's going to protect the trade routes from pirates? //-Original Message- //From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] //Behalf Of MB Software Solutions General Account //Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:32 AM //To: ProFox Email List //Subject: Re: [OT] Hamas and Fatah and those lik

RE: [OT] Hamas and Fatah and those like them

I share your values, but I don't share your statement that these are in any way "universal" values. Throughout all of history, including all but the most recent part of US history, they were not and still are not the standards most cultures embrace. I don't believe these values should be

RE: [OT] Why the democrats failed

And Sadam lied too. If he had come clean and said "look we have no weapons here and I'm not capable of building them" it might have been different. But he obstructed the investigators at every turn and looked like he was hiding something. At the time many people (including the British and Tony Bl

RE: [OT] Why the democrats failed

> 1.2 trillion -- how much the Iraq War is now estimated to finally cost. >Imagine how much further we could be in alternative energy/fuels, >gaining independence from the oil cartel, if our government subsidized >development in that area versus waging war... Subsidies undoubtedly have a role t

RE: [OT] Hamas and Fatah and those like them

First, you mention "global terror" as if it were something like the Black Plague that just sorta arose out of nothing. There are many, many complex reasons for this, and the United States is not an uninvolved bystander. I have a lot of respect for the things you say Ed, but I believe li

RE: [OT] Hamas and Fatah and those like them

I'm curious: do you experience similar feelings of revulsion when an American proposes nuking Iran? - I suppose we could ignore Iran if it was just another authoritarian regime oppressing it's own people. But the fact is they are arming the Taliban, ,Shia insurgents in Iraq and Hizbulla

RE: [OT] Richardson/Lieberman ticket

AIPAC is presented in this thread as an all powerful Jewish lobby behind the mad rush to war in Iraq. I'd just like to add a bit of context to the discussion. Several liberal groups are also active with regard to the political debate over Israel and the middle East, these include The Religious Act

RE: [OT] Richardson/Lieberman ticket

Oh the anarchy of these threads. "run the show" came from an earlier thread. I now see what you said was "seized US foreign policy". Interestingly prior to 1948 influential Zionists (like Martin Buber) felt that there only needed to be one state and that Jews could live respectfully as a minority

RE: [OT] Richardson/Lieberman ticket

Lots to argue with here. First of all I don't think Israel is a religious state. It is more of a secular democracy than any other country in the Middle East. I also don't think global terrorism is an invention of the "Jewish Lobby" in the US. AIPAC do not represent the complete Israeli perspe

RE: [NF] Any .NET SMTP gurus out there?

Could it have to do with not having a mail box set up on the new web server? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Graham Brown (CompSYS) Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:16 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: [OT] Any .NET SMTP gurus out there? Hi al

RE: [OT] Iraq's Sadr Overhauls His Tactics, Shiite Woos Sunnis, PurgesExtremists

By blasting a few nuclear bombs or trying out chemistry experiments? Graham. > You just reinforced my comments of a few days ago. The world is getting overpopulated and we need to stop policing the world. Let the terrorists take over and help out with this problem. ___

RE: [OT] Iraq's Sadr Overhauls His Tactics, Shiite Woos Sunnis, PurgesExtremists

I don't believe Maliki is a good thing, he is merely the compromise prime minister that it took the Shias' 5 months to decide upon after the Iraqi elections. I think a real change in the tactics of the surge will be to no longer wait for the Iraqi police and army to do a job they are incapable of

RE: [OT] Iraq's Sadr Overhauls His Tactics, Shiite Woos Sunnis, PurgesExtremists

I suppose it is the black-clad and thuggish gunmen who follow him, and this reliance on an otherworldly mysticism for his authority which strikes me as extreme and dangerous. I am also suspicious of his rabid anti-American, pro-Iranian worldview. But, if America is not to take sides in this spir

RE: [OT] Iraq's Sadr Overhauls His Tactics, Shiite Woos Sunnis, PurgesExtremists

al-Sadir is no moderate and is portrayed by his followers as the reappearance of the Shias' 10th century leader Imam al-Mahdi. If American, British and Iraqi forces are hunting down his gunmen, rest assured this is a major part of the planned surge. Oh, and Maliki and his Iraqi forces are on the

RE: [NF] Cities struggle with wireless Internet

> > Michael Madigan wrote: > >> Junk science rules >> >> CO2 causes global warming >> >> WIFI kills bees >> >> What will they think of next? Tropical insects are moving further north. Polar ice is breaking up. Ocean levels are rising. Across America bees are abandoning their hives. $15 billion

RE: [NF] turning off the sun

. Can the Sun be turned off? :) quote from the Economist Technology Quarterly March 10th 2007: Environment: Geo-engineering is the direct use of technology to counteract climate change. The idea is highly controversial. ... of all the schemes proposed, the most ambitious (and expensive) idea w

RE: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

// Nothing is "always." Almost always? I was thinking of how easy it is to do stuff in VB and how hard it is to do much of anything in C (or FoxPro as I still don't know it well enough). // Define "productive." "Hello world" in ten seconds. Mastery in ten / /years. You pick. I guess it d

RE: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

I tend to be a bit bookish, and I was wondering what would be considered the best book on Python? Is There something like the Hacker's Guide to Python? When you're writing working code nearly as fast as you can type and your misstep rate is near zero, it generally means you've achieved mastery

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