source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
You have been able to do browsing way before iphonies. No need to be a
sheep
Al
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On
Behalf Of Paul McNett
Sent: 28 April 2010 19:02
On 4/28/10 7:33 AM, Kurt Wendt
You have been able to do browsing way before iphonies. No need to be a sheep
Al
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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On
Behalf Of Paul McNett
Sent: 28 April 2010 19:02
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Open source updates cost
On 4/28/10 7:33 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> Nope - both of those links are blocked - although for another reason -
> as they are coming up as "Download" sites! Geez - I can't win here...
Time for an iPhone and do your personal browsing over 3G.
Paul
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Yeah - that link worked for me! And thanks for that Chuckle!!!
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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Russell
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:58 AM
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Apr 28,
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
>
>> Nope - both of those links are blocked - although for another reason -
>> as they are coming up as "Download" sites! Geez - I can't win here...
>
>
> OK, then how about this:
>
> http://l
On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> Nope - both of those links are blocked - although for another reason -
> as they are coming up as "Download" sites! Geez - I can't win here...
OK, then how about this:
http://leafe.com/images/xkdc327.png
-- Ed Leafe
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Nope - both of those links are blocked - although for another reason -
as they are coming up as "Download" sites! Geez - I can't win here...
But - I gotta say - you guys slay me with your references! So - FYI -
yeah, I know about the PHB in the Dilbert comics! :-)
Thanks,
-K-
-Origin
On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> Bummer - I can't see that link - since I am blocked here - as its some
> kind of comic humor.
OK, try this:
http://picasaweb.google.com/edleafe/Xkcd?authkey=Gv1sRgCLWn_oj_lK-jQw#5465193969151269266
( -or- http://j.mp/aMR3fm )
>
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>
>> Having proof of textual clean processes allows you to override the
>> statement. Not having them keeps the statement valid.
>
> No, not at all. Incorrectly-done code is unsafe, and
Bummer - I can't see that link - since I am blocked here - as its some
kind of comic humor.
Just curious - and, sorry for the ignorance - but, What IS a PHB?
:-)
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On Behalf Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Wednes
On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> Long Live the PHB !!!
Almost forgot: http://xkcd.com/327/
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On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> Having proof of textual clean processes allows you to override the
> statement. Not having them keeps the statement valid.
No, not at all. Incorrectly-done code is unsafe, and the type of code
is irrelevant. Your statement tars all
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>
>> Dynamic SQL is very unsafe from an injection POV. But you knew that.
>
> That is so not true. Dumb programmers are unsafe, and anyone who would
> accept unescaped outside text and e
On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> Dynamic SQL is very unsafe from an injection POV. But you knew that.
That is so not true. Dumb programmers are unsafe, and anyone who would
accept unescaped outside text and execute it, whether in SQL or not, is dumb.
There
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> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
> On Behalf Of Paul McNett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:12 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
>
> On 4/27/10 12:38 PM, Ste
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> On 4/27/10 12:38 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>>> On 4/27/10 11:19 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
DBFs have no security as my first problem with them. They are
independent files that
reme
issue.
:-)
-K-
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From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Paul McNett
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:12 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
On 4/27/10 12:38 PM, Stephen Rus
On 4/27/10 12:38 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>> On 4/27/10 11:19 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>>> DBFs have no security as my first problem with them. They are
>>> independent files that work together. Before the dbc there was no
>>> overall cont
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> On 4/27/10 11:19 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>> DBFs have no security as my first problem with them. They are
>> independent files that work together. Before the dbc there was no
>> overall control of the mess. The dbc was just meta data of th
Paul McNett wrote:
> You know what the main problem with DBF's are? They are too tightly-bound
> with the
> features of the programming language.
>
> Using something else - anything else - requires some work to cross the
> interface.
> This work turns out to make your code much more portable,
On 4/27/10 11:36 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> On 4/27/2010 10:44 AM, Paul McNett wrote:
>> On 4/27/10 10:27 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
>>> I know Paul wrote a paper on using Postgres with VFP but I would be
>>> interested in hearing how many of you are using PostgreSQL as a backend.
>>> From my angl
On 4/27/10 11:19 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> DBFs have no security as my first problem with them. They are
> independent files that work together. Before the dbc there was no
> overall control of the mess. The dbc was just meta data of the mess
> and if hosed it all was hosed. Last complaint wa
On 4/27/2010 10:44 AM, Paul McNett wrote:
> On 4/27/10 10:27 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
>> I know Paul wrote a paper on using Postgres with VFP but I would be
>> interested in hearing how many of you are using PostgreSQL as a backend.
>> From my angle it appears to be the way I want to go.
>
> For
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:04 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC
wrote:
> Alan Bourke wrote:
>>
>>
>> What we see happening sometimes is that if a company has an internal IT
>> department and they're evaluating solutions of which ours is one, the IT
>> people will get onto Google and from there establ
On 4/27/10 10:27 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> I know Paul wrote a paper on using Postgres with VFP but I would be
> interested in hearing how many of you are using PostgreSQL as a backend.
>From my angle it appears to be the way I want to go.
For the record, I never wrote a paper on using Postgre
On 4/27/10 2:07 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
>>
>> . In fact a time will come when having shared VFP data on a Linux box and
>> using Samba may well work better in all cases than having it on a Windows box
>
> That's what i do. Works fine.
It's
I've been using it and the experience has been fantastic. It's been
rock solid in the 1.5 years it's been running for my customer.
At 01:27 PM 04/27/2010, you wrote:
>On 4/27/2010 1:20 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
> > One of the main objections customers have is the DBF format, and I agree
> > that it
> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com
[mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
> On Behalf Of Jeff Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:27 AM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
>
> I kn
On 4/27/2010 1:20 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
> One of the main objections customers have is the DBF format, and I agree
> that it is getting increasingly flaky in terms of locking and file
> access contention as Windows progresses. In fact a time will come when
> having shared VFP data on a Linux box a
Alan Bourke wrote:
>
>
> What we see happening sometimes is that if a company has an internal IT
> department and they're evaluating solutions of which ours is one, the IT
> people will get onto Google and from there establish that VFP is 'dead'.
> So we do lose out in those terms sometimes. But
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:20 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
> Having said that there is still huge scope for applications with a VFP
> front end and a separate database server backend (Postgres, MSSQL et al)
-
Only way to present solutions. Allow the client to have their
database and yo
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
> In fact a time will come when
> having shared VFP data on a Linux box and using Samba may well work
> better in all cases than having it on a Windows box (I know Ted(?) and
> Paul and others would say that's already the case).
Yes.
I have cl
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
>
>. In fact a time will come when having shared VFP data on a Linux box and
>using Samba may well work better in all cases than having it on a Windows box
That's what i do. Works fine.
A+
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What we see happening sometimes is that if a company has an internal IT
department and they're evaluating solutions of which ours is one, the IT
people will get onto Google and from there establish that VFP is 'dead'.
So we do lose out in those terms sometimes. But the vast majority of
companies
Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Pete Theisen
>
>> wrote:
>> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.<<
>> I see a solution to your problem:
>>
>>> A lot of guys *did* get credit, written up in the (print) newsletter
> and
>> all that.
>>
>> Ne
LOL
--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Nicholas Geti wrote:
> From: Nicholas Geti
> Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
> To: "ProFox Email List"
> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 3:34 PM
> Yeah. Get a job in the SEC or
> attorney general's o
> is ex foxpro and he runs the list
>> Al
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ted Roche
>> Sent: 26 April 2010 14:26
>> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
>> Subject: Re: Op
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Ted Roche
> Sent: 26 April 2010 14:26
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Allen wrote:
>
>> But what&#x
C or attorney general's office. They watch porn all
> day according to the latest Congressional hearings.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Pete Theisen"
> To: "ProFox Email List"
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Op
Yeah. Get a job in the SEC or attorney general's office. They watch porn all
day according to the latest Congressional hearings.
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To: "ProFox Email List"
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Open
Of Ted Roche
Sent: 26 April 2010 14:26
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Subject: Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Allen wrote:
> But what's more worrying is its computer programmers, or at least FoxPro.
Is
> there anyone making a living out of
> -Original Message-
> From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com
[mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
> On Behalf Of Paul Hill
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:55 AM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
>
> On Sat, Apr 24
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Allen wrote:
> But what's more worrying is its computer programmers, or at least FoxPro. Is
> there anyone making a living out of FoxPro over there.
Funny forum to be asking that question.
There's lots of folks fully employed at the monthly Python and Ruby
meeti
no idea on the foxpro portion, but here is an article I wrote awhile
back showing the programming numbers are now back at 1995 levels
http://keepamericaatwork.com/?p=8441
On 4/26/2010 1:17 AM, Allen wrote:
> You guys are painting a bleak picture of life in the US. Sounds more like
> the 1800's
You guys are painting a bleak picture of life in the US. Sounds more like
the 1800's than 21st century. I also know others in the US in similar
circumstances so I am sure you are not making it up. Scary that you have to
go looking for food in a church. For me especially as I'm a realist.
But what'
MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> Jeff Johnson wrote:
> There is nowhere to go. I am 65, diabetic, I have foot and back problems
>> My wife was an account manager for a hosting company as well as worked
>> on websites. She lost her job after 12 years three months ago. She has
>> sent out
Jeff Johnson wrote:
There is nowhere to go. I am 65, diabetic, I have foot and back problems
>
> My wife was an account manager for a hosting company as well as worked
> on websites. She lost her job after 12 years three months ago. She has
> sent out over 300 resumes & applications and h
Paul Hill wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Pete Theisen wrote:
>> Paul Hill wrote:
>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Pete Theisen
>>> wrote:
>>> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.<<
>>> I see a solution to your problem:
>>>
A lot of guys *did* ge
doubt I would ever consider that...
I just believe in people and that good people will triumph, although
right this minute it looks like the bad ones have them down and kicking
the crap out of the good ones..
On 4/25/2010 1:38 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>
>> I hear
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I hear you.
> I have a cousin i met through facebook that lives in germany.
>
> he stated it best when he said that a person needs the basic dignity of
> life by being able to provide a roof over their families heads and to
> provide for the necessities without being f
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Pete Theisen wrote:
> Paul Hill wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Pete Theisen
>> wrote:
>> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.<<
>>
>> I see a solution to your problem:
>>
>>> A lot of guys *did* get credit, written up in
I look back at what i was going through in 2003 & 4 when I thought it
was me and now I realize that I was just at the tip of the iceberg, or
the beginning of this mess, however you want to look at it.
On 4/25/2010 12:20 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> On 4/25/2010 8:35 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:
>
>
On 4/25/2010 8:35 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>> its about the same here in central texas jobs wise...
>
> Hi Virgil,
>
> People who have worked all the way through this without significant loss
> of hours or rate reductions just have no idea. Can't tell them, either,
> they
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I hear you.
> I have a cousin i met through facebook that lives in germany.
>
> he stated it best when he said that a person needs the basic dignity of
> life by being able to provide a roof over their families heads and to
> provide for the necessities without being
I hear you.
I have a cousin i met through facebook that lives in germany.
he stated it best when he said that a person needs the basic dignity of
life by being able to provide a roof over their families heads and to
provide for the necessities without being forced to live in the slums
with all
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I hear you.
> my own brother and myself got into an argument the other day with him
> saying I need to get a job, damn near turned into a fight because of
> some other things.
> he has no clue that I have sent out over 10,000 resumes, that I
> volunteer for the chambe
I hear you.
my own brother and myself got into an argument the other day with him
saying I need to get a job, damn near turned into a fight because of
some other things.
he has no clue that I have sent out over 10,000 resumes, that I
volunteer for the chamber of commerce, the keep america at wor
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> its about the same here in central texas jobs wise...
Hi Virgil,
People who have worked all the way through this without significant loss
of hours or rate reductions just have no idea. Can't tell them, either,
they ask you if you are on drugs, then tell you to go fin
its about the same here in central texas jobs wise...
On 4/25/2010 9:05 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:
> MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
>
>
We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.
>>> Wow. I'm fairly sure that sort of nonsense would be illegal here.
>>>
Paul Hill wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Pete Theisen
> wrote:
> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.<<
>
> I see a solution to your problem:
>
>> A lot of guys *did* get credit, written up in the (print) newsletter and all
>> that.
>
> Newspaper you
MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
>>> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.
>> Wow. I'm fairly sure that sort of nonsense would be illegal here.
>
> Get the heck out, Pete. Your stories are so heinous they border on
> unbelievable. Are you sure you're not sampling the
Alan Bourke wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:58 -0400, "Pete Theisen"
> wrote:
>
>
>> Seems (from my aging memory) that you are in the socialist UK
>>
>
> Ireland. Not especially socialist compared to say, France.
>
Ok, here's a thing I've noticed on his conception of politics. He says
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Pete Theisen wrote:
We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.<<
I see a solution to your problem:
> A lot of guys *did* get credit, written up in the (print) newsletter and all
> that.
Newspaper you say?
--
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:58 -0400, "Pete Theisen"
wrote:
> Seems (from my aging memory) that you are in the socialist UK
Ireland. Not especially socialist compared to say, France.
>
> That was in Michigan. That boss has by now relocated to Florida. We even
> have bosses in some companies usi
Alan Bourke wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:46 -0400, "Pete Theisen"
> wrote:
>
>> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.
>
> Wow. I'm fairly sure that sort of nonsense would be illegal here.
Get the heck out, Pete. Your stories are so heinous they border on
unbeli
Alan Bourke wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:46 -0400, "Pete Theisen"
> wrote:
>
>> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.
>
> Wow. I'm fairly sure that sort of nonsense would be illegal here.
Hi Alan,
Seems (from my aging memory) that you are in the socialist UK and
Rick Schummer wrote:
> Pete,
>
>>> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.<<
>
> Honestly, there is a big difference between someone treating someone in a
> subhuman manner, and not sending them to a training class to learn something
> they could learn by reading a book, go
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:46 -0400, "Pete Theisen"
wrote:
>
> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.
Wow. I'm fairly sure that sort of nonsense would be illegal here.
--
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alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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Pete,
>> We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year.<<
Honestly, there is a big difference between someone treating someone in a
subhuman manner, and not sending them to a training class to learn something
they could learn by reading a book, going online and reading forum,
list
On 4/23/10 11:09 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> amen, and less people calling them crappy software developers.
Yeah, calling people's productions crap isn't too constructive, is it?
> everybody, no matter how talented they may be now started out not
> knowing a thing.
> If they were fortunate, t
amen, and less people calling them crappy software developers.
everybody, no matter how talented they may be now started out not
knowing a thing.
If they were fortunate, they found a mentor that took them under their wing.
If not, they learned what works by making mistakes and finding out what
d
Rick Schummer wrote:
>>> Seems more and more like nobody wants to pay for anything...employers are
> expecting employees to foot all the bill...not even tuition reimbursement in
> some circumstances. :-(<<
>
> Yes, this is very much the common thoughts of those who are working for "the
> man". In
On 4/21/10 3:21 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> Ed Leafe wrote:
>> You remind me of the people who ran into a VFP app written by a
>> piss-poor developer, and then declares that all VFP apps are crap.
>
>
> Unfortunately, there are tons of people like that. That really seems to
> hav
>> Seems more and more like nobody wants to pay for anything...employers are
expecting employees to foot all the bill...not even tuition reimbursement in
some circumstances. :-(<<
Yes, this is very much the common thoughts of those who are working for "the
man". In Michigan (#1 in unemployment in
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:52 -0400, "Ted Roche" wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Steve Ellenoff
>
> It won't replace the gamer contingent when Direct-Whatever is the target
> API.
Now that Valve are bringing Steam, their content delivery platform, to
Apple and Linux, and using it to deli
Stephen Russell wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:38 -0500, "Virgil Bierschwale"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know nobody agrees with me, but thats the way it is.
>>> If somebody that works for you is not doing their job, it is because you
>>> are not doing a good job at training them, mentoring them and pro
On 4/22/2010 4:52 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
> While Ubuntu and Fedora and their upstream projects are certainly
> working hard at making a usable desktop for everyone, I really don't
> think there's a coordinated effort to displace Windows.There are lots
> of "switcher" success stories, but I'm not goin
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Steve Ellenoff wrote:
>
> Yes, sorry, I should have qualified my statement to mean a huge
> success as a Desktop OS replacement, since it's success in other
> roles is undeniable.
>
While Ubuntu and Fedora and their upstream projects are certainly
working hard at
actually any competent manager would have a slush fund account for
"training" because anybody that has ever done any type of productivity
study will realize that 100% billable is a figment of their imagination
and if you look at a lot of the job postings you will usually see a line
that says so
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:
> Stephen Russell wrote:
>>> my boss says. "How can I bill your time for learning
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Would it help to use an expensive buzzword? You can bill for
> "engineering study" or "technical research".
Just strike
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> its worked great for the military for generations.
> I'm not a historian, but I believe it also worked great for all the
> trades in europe where a person was required to serve under a master
> before being considered able to stand on th
Stephen Russell wrote:
>> my boss says. "How can I bill your time for learning
Hi Stephen,
Would it help to use an expensive buzzword? You can bill for
"engineering study" or "technical research".
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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its worked great for the military for generations.
I'm not a historian, but I believe it also worked great for all the
trades in europe where a person was required to serve under a master
before being considered able to stand on their own.
Perhaps we need to bring back the draft for all of you t
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:38 -0500, "Virgil Bierschwale"
> wrote:
>
>> I know nobody agrees with me, but thats the way it is.
>> If somebody that works for you is not doing their job, it is because you
>> are not doing a good job at training them, mentoring them and providing
>> a methodology so th
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:38 -0500, "Virgil Bierschwale"
wrote:
> I know nobody agrees with me, but thats the way it is.
> If somebody that works for you is not doing their job, it is because you
> are not doing a good job at training them, mentoring them and providing
> a methodology so that th
2010/4/21 Ricardo Aráoz :
>> Time is money no matter how you want to hide it. Calling to get
>> answers about Sun-java is an experience our team says.
>> All of the work that these people do not achieve on a daily basis
>> because they have been dicking around with this hidden in your
>> accounti
On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> Long ago I paid McAfee and found that they were wacked. Maybe the
> rest of the world should follow suit?
Are you not paying attention, or just being coy?
You have a problem with a particular system that is using some open
I haven't been following this conversation, but it amazes me how
everybody wants to blame the programmer.
The programmer reports to the manager.
If the manager is not doing their job mentoring the employee, it will
show in their performance.
I know nobody agrees with me, but thats the way it is.
Stephen Russell wrote:
> 2010/4/21 Ricardo Aráoz :
>
>> Stephen Russell wrote:
>>
>>> Open Source is free as in Frustration.
>>>
>>> Don't let anyone lie to you and say that it is not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Proprietary is expensive as in shit.
>> Don't let anyone lie to you and say that it
How do you think Access and VB got such great reputations as toys and
not real programmers. I've run into one or two .NET projects that
really didn't work.
Jeff
Jeff Johnson
j...@san-dc.com
SanDC, Inc.
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On 4/21/2010 3:21 PM, MB Soft
[mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of MB Software Solutions, LLC
Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2010 7:51 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
Ed Leafe wrote:
> You remind me of the people who ran into a VFP app written by a
piss-poor d
Ed Leafe wrote:
> You remind me of the people who ran into a VFP app written by a
> piss-poor developer, and then declares that all VFP apps are crap.
Unfortunately, there are tons of people like that. That really seems to
have hurt VFP's image, imo.
--
Mike Babcock, MCP
MB Software So
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>
>> Open Source is free as in Frustration.
>>
>> Don't let anyone lie to you and say that it is not.
>
>
> Well, why not fight anecdote with anecdote!
>
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On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
>
>>> Then there's your company, who seem to be having some basic problems
>>> getting a machine to run, and in your opinion, that completely negates
>>> every other experience.
>>
>> Well, to be
On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> Open Source is free as in Frustration.
>
> Don't let anyone lie to you and say that it is not.
Well, why not fight anecdote with anecdote!
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At 11 a.m. today, 4/
On Apr 21, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
>>Then there's your company, who seem to be having some basic problems
>> getting a machine to run, and in your opinion, that completely negates every
>> other experience.
>
> Well, to be fair, Linux has a bit more trouble with hardware, since
>
>Linux is a huge success now. It runs most of the Apache instances,
>which in turn runs most of the internet. It runs Google. It runs
>Twitter. It runs Amazon.
Yes, sorry, I should have qualified my statement to mean a huge
success as a Desktop OS replacement, since it's success in other
roles
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
>
> Then there's your company, who seem to be having some basic problems
>getting a machine to run, and in your opinion, that completely negates every
>other experience.
>
Well, to be fair, Linux has a bit more trouble with hardware, since
some
Steve: GIYF. I installed Ubuntu on a Vista laptop. It is a dual boot
XP and Ubuntu. It was easier getting Linux to run on it than XP. XP
didn't have drivers and there wasn't a lot of help. The Ubuntu forum
and other Linux forums solved any problems I had. There is an option
for using rest
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Steve Ellenoff wrote:
> Maybe I was just not lucky, but my experiences with Ubuntu were
> pretty bad ( this was in 2008 ).
Yes, it was.
I started using Linux in 1998 and switched over most of our systems in
2002 - 2004.
There were days I was ready to switch back
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