Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

On 6/3/2017 2:46 PM, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Your experience is biased by your rejection of the Web model. If HTML/CSS was so 'inconsistent' across browsers, frameworks like Bootstrap would be impossible. Bootstrap works perfectly, not only for what you call 'general public' web pages, also f

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

On 6/3/2017 2:46 PM, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Your experience is biased by your rejection of the Web model. If HTML/CSS was so 'inconsistent' across browsers, frameworks like Bootstrap would be impossible. Bootstrap works perfectly, not only for what you call 'general public' web pages, also for

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

Browser can only access printers. It may propose user to save a file, the latter decides where Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud > Le 5 juin 2017 à 17:01, Alan Bourke a écrit : > > Thierry > >> Why? To get rid of the installation / maintenanc

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FWIW, Web and/or FoxinCloud supports this scénario Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud > Le 5 juin 2017 à 17:51, Stephen Russell a écrit : > > We are retiring many of our reports in SSRS and replacing them with Data > Cube access to the data. We

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PDF displayed in either a sub form within the same tab, a new tab or a new browser window http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/report.tuto Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud > Le 5 juin 2017 à 17:51, Stephen Russell a écrit : > > We are retiring many

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

We are retiring many of our reports in SSRS and replacing them with Data Cube access to the data. We had 140 reports at last upgrade in 2015 and now planning for our next upgrade that number will fall to 50-60. All the data is crunched in Excel at the user's need. BI is such a major aspect of bu

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Thierry > Why? To get rid of the installation / maintenance / versioning hassles, > and set up news labs quicker (developing country). Absolutely a big advantage of the browser-centric application, in a single-tenant installation at least. You say 50 reports - how do you implement that? Render t

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On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: > This is a similar argument as the one about 20 years ago as to whether > posting into tables interactively was preferable to posting transactions in > the traditional mainframe batches. > > I hated Sage and other "post it now" accounting syste

RE: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: 05 June 2017 10:18 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications Hi Alan, I wish you could be a little more specific so that we can learn from your facts and figures. What I can say for sure, as it's real life, current experience, tha

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

Hi Alan, I wish you could be a little more specific so that we can learn from your facts and figures. What I can say for sure, as it's real life, current experience, that a biological analysis company, client of FoxInCloud, manages ALL its operations, end to end from order entry to accounting,

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

On 6/3/2017 11:29 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: On Jun 3, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Thierry Nivelet wrote: One of our clients, US based, has such an application. Initially the Web version was designed for the external partners -- suppliers and clients -- to interact with the company. Guess what, nowadays **all

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That's the point I was trying to make. As of today trying to implement everything in a browser remains impractical for many use cases. For many others it is ideal. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm On Sun, 4 Jun 2017, at 08:05 AM, John Weller wrote: > As always it's horses f

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As always it's horses for courses! The major benefit of bespoke systems is that they can be tailored to suit the task and there are undoubtedly some where the web application is best and others where a desktop application wins. John John Weller 01380 723235 079763 93631 Sent from my iPad > On

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On Jun 3, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Thierry Nivelet wrote: > > One of our clients, US based, has such an application. Initially the Web > version was designed for the external partners -- suppliers and clients -- to > interact with the company. Guess what, nowadays **all employees** of the > company u

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

Your experience is biased by your rejection of the Web model. If HTML/CSS was so 'inconsistent' across browsers, frameworks like Bootstrap would be impossible. Bootstrap works perfectly, not only for what you call 'general public' web pages, also for business application, internal or not; on a

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

On 6/3/2017 6:05 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote: [Lots of text snipped out below - trying to get to just key points] Compared to browser incompatibilities, bizarre rendering that experts could not figure out, security snafus, and did I mention pathetic performance browser incompatibilities Again,

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Le 3 juin 2017 à 00:33, Charlie-gm a écrit : > > Compared to browser incompatibilities, bizarre rendering that experts could > not figure out, security snafus, and did I mention pathetic performance > browser incompatibilities Again, this is from the past; except very advanced HTML5/CSS3 featu

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On 6/1/2017 5:10 PM, Andrew Stirling wrote: Care to enlarge on this please. " Simple file shares (dare I say even "sharepoint"?) make rich client distribution fall-off-a-log easy and secure. " The basic principle is: - create a "startup" application that checks a "file share" for updates and

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SharePoint does a great deal of simple work for you if you let it. We fill internal SP lists, orders to be shipped, with data from the ERP. We then have mainly stagnant lists, Customers per say, and in SP we set a drop-down list for the customer and it filters the orders, needing to go out today

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I was really asking Charlie about how he proposed to get the 'desktop' bit working easily. 'And before people start slobbering themselves with "... but... but... the DISTRIBUTION OMG!! How could you DISTRIBUTE a rich client application..." - really, don't bother. Simple file shares (dare I s

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Posting a document to Sharepoint is so simple. Setting the library to hold it is real easy as well. Keeping versions for me on the file is tremendous. Having a recycle section for me to republish what you didn't think you were screwing up is pretty good too. On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Lau

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Charlie, +1 Laurie On 1 June 2017 at 22:10, Andrew Stirling wrote: > Care to enlarge on this please. > " Simple file shares (dare I say even "sharepoint"?) make rich client > distribution fall-off-a-log easy and secure. " > > > > > Andrew Stirling > > --- > This email has been checked for viruse

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Care to enlarge on this please. " Simple file shares (dare I say even "sharepoint"?) make rich client distribution fall-off-a-log easy and secure. " Andrew Stirling --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___

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On 5/30/2017 2:33 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: Just responded to Ed's post saying that a desktop UI still kicks ass over a web page UI. Ten years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. Five years ago I wouldn't have been too sure about that. Now think that the Javascript tools and frameworks

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The other thing is the j-word. Any language that needs the likes of CoffeeScript or Typescript to impose sanity on it was an unfortunate language to end up being the one built into browsers. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm On Wed, 31 May 2017, at 09:19 PM, Thierry Nivelet

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At 13:19 2017-05-31, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Today's Browsers follow standard https://caniuse.com/ Unfortunately, many *Websites* do not. I very much dislike coming across a Website which has weird dependencies and where I have to jump through hoops to get it to work. It happens a

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Today's Browsers follow standard https://caniuse.com/ Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud > Le 31 mai 2017 à 21:30, Gene Wirchenko a écrit : > > At 07:55 2017-05-30, Alan Bourke wrote: > >> On Tue, 30 May 2017, at 12:05 PM, Stephen Russell wrot

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On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > At 12:27 2017-05-30, Stephen Russell wrote: > > [snip] > > Each environment has it's own line issues, but no users who are well versed >> in "the internet vs the network" would ever ask for limited functionality, >> instead, they would dem

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At 12:27 2017-05-30, Stephen Russell wrote: [snip] Each environment has it's own line issues, but no users who are well versed in "the internet vs the network" would ever ask for limited functionality, instead, they would demand the web as it provides access to everything. Do those well

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

At 07:55 2017-05-30, Alan Bourke wrote: On Tue, 30 May 2017, at 12:05 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Alan Bourke > wrote: > > > > In 2017, how many users are looking for desktop apps? > > > > Still plenty. > > > > > Seriously? > > Seriously. Anything that needs

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We too and you're welcome to it. 1st thing I did was install libre office. On May 31, 2017 11:02 AM, "Alan Bourke" wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2017, at 09:32 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote: > > Ever tried office365 ? What a nice piece of rubbish that is. ;) > > > > We have that at a corporate level, and i

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On Wed, 31 May 2017, at 09:32 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote: > Ever tried office365 ? What a nice piece of rubbish that is. ;) > We have that at a corporate level, and it's pretty good in terms of the browser versions of Word and Excel. But a million miles away from the desktop versions, still. --

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Ever tried office365 ? What a nice piece of rubbish that is. ;) On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: > The PC is dead and it will be all mobile devices... > It'll all be cloud and nothing local... > No more native apps, they'll all be in the browser... > > Like all predictions the

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The PC is dead and it will be all mobile devices... It'll all be cloud and nothing local... No more native apps, they'll all be in the browser... Like all predictions the truth is in between somewhere. If for example Microsoft still don't have a browser version of Word that is anything near the

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

On May 30, 2017, at 4:27 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: > What are your favorite JavaScript tools/frameworks, Ed? To be honest, I haven't done any client-side interfaces for some time now, so I don't have a favorite. I work pretty much exclusively on the back end of the

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On 2017-05-30 15:27, Stephen Russell wrote: Seems like it can be done. Now tell me about OCX files that need to be installed. Each environment has it's own line issues, but no users who are well versed in "the internet vs the network" would ever ask for limited functionality, instead, they w

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On 2017-05-30 14:33, Ed Leafe wrote: Ten years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. Five years ago I wouldn't have been too sure about that. Now think that the Javascript tools and frameworks have advanced so that they can do as much or more than desktop widgets, and they totally kick

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On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: > The thing is that yes you can get a fluid, responsive, beautiful UI > using one of the three billion client side frameworks, coupled to a > back end developed with this week's server-side framework but to make it > secure and to test it on al

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1/10 th of the time using FoxinCloud with integrated Bootstrap support. Just adapt your VFP app, and/or write an extension for the web using your extent classes, and you're done. Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud > Le 30 mai 2017 à 20:45, Alan

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The thing is that yes you can get a fluid, responsive, beautiful UI using one of the three billion client side frameworks, coupled to a back end developed with this week's server-side framework but to make it secure and to test it on all the browsers on all the platforms is literally ten times the

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On May 30, 2017, at 11:26 AM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: > Just responded to Ed's post saying that a desktop UI still kicks ass over a > web page UI. Ten years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. Five years ago I wouldn't have been too sure about that. Now t

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ay, May 30, 2017 6:06 AM > To: profoxt...@leafe.com > Subject: Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Alan Bourke > wrote: > > > > In 2017, how many users are looking for desktop apps? > > > > Still plenty. > > >

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. Paul H. Tarver Tarver Program Consultants, Inc. -Original Message- From: Stephen Russell [mailto:srussell...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:06 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Alan Bourke wrote

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On 2017-05-30 04:07, Alan Bourke wrote: In 2017, how many users are looking for desktop apps? Still plenty. Just responded to Ed's post saying that a desktop UI still kicks ass over a web page UI. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscript

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On 2017-05-30 08:51, Edward Leafe wrote: And yeah, it is 2017 now, and most of the demand I see is not only for web-based apps, but also mobile-aware web apps. I’m sure that there are people who still want desktop apps, but then again, there are still people running Windows XP. Yes, it seems

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Desktop or web app, whichever, when your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, Fred On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Alan Bourke > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 30 May 2017, at 12:05 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > > > On Tue, Ma

Re: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: > > On Tue, 30 May 2017, at 12:05 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Alan Bourke > > wrote: > > > > > > In 2017, how many users are looking for desktop apps? > > > > > > Still plenty. > > > > > > > > Seriously? > >

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On Tue, 30 May 2017, at 12:05 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Alan Bourke > wrote: > > > > In 2017, how many users are looking for desktop apps? > > > > Still plenty. > > > > > Seriously? > > Seriously. Anything that needs any sort of meaningful interaction with

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On May 29, 2017, at 7:50 AM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: > > I'm getting ready to do some Python learning on PluralSight.com > and the dude mentioned PyQT for desktop > applications. > > Ed & Paul (and others) -- your thoughts on that? Was inter

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On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: > > In 2017, how many users are looking for desktop apps? > > Still plenty. > > Seriously? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/a

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> In 2017, how many users are looking for desktop apps? Still plenty. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version

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PyQT has 2 different licensing models which may complicate your decision to go this route. PyQT has a fat distribution as well. Other options for Python desktop apps are wxPython (Dabo's choice) and Tkinter/ttk. While Tkinter/ttk often gets a bum rap, I've seen some cool apps built with this GUI f