> Because software doesn't wear out. It always does what it always
> did--without any upkeep whatsoever. As long as it does what people
> need it to do, they have no intrinsic need to replace it. In the vast
> majority of cases involving commonly used software applications, the
> reason why peop
Alan Bourke wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "Ed Leafe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
The catch, of course, is that they make it easy to develop SQL
Server apps in VB or C#. So you get a Visual Studio sale, and all its
licensing, along with the SQL Server licenses. VFP works just
On 8/15/06, Tristan Leask <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So long as they were not up to the F1 Honda standards. Cue lots of
failures.
Didn't they win last time around ?
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> From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Wow, did you just walk into the middle of this thread?
>
> The discussion was about the claim that Microsoft loses $$ for every
> copy of VFP that they sell. I have no idea what you're talking about,
> but it sure doesn't tie into this thread.
On Aug 15, 2006, at 10:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're not talking about what *I* sell or what *I* market; we were
talking about Microsoft, remember?
The people who pay for SQL Server license fees are the ones who own
production systems. Dev shops depending on size, and I am jus
> From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > What kind of nonsense is that? Do you sell a VFP license with your
> > app?
> > I don't sell the design tools, just the final product.
>
> We're not talking about what *I* sell or what *I* market; we were
> talking about Microsoft, remember?
On Aug 15, 2006, at 10:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The catch, of course, is that they make it easy to develop SQL
Server apps in VB or C#. So you get a Visual Studio sale, and all its
licensing, along with the SQL Server licenses. VFP works just as
easily with non-Microsoft databases
> From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The catch, of course, is that they make it easy to develop SQL
> Server apps in VB or C#. So you get a Visual Studio sale, and all its
> licensing, along with the SQL Server licenses. VFP works just as
> easily with non-Microsoft databases, so that's a
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "Ed Leafe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> The catch, of course, is that they make it easy to develop SQL
> Server apps in VB or C#. So you get a Visual Studio sale, and all its
> licensing, along with the SQL Server licenses. VFP works just as
> easil
On Aug 14, 2006, at 11:34 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
Now there's possible logic I see, but with the differences between
VFP and client/serverwell, it's very different. If you can
afford SQL Server AND NEED SQL Server (for big dog data), so be
it. VFP is great, but when you use S
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:34 PM 8/14/2006 -0400, MB Software Solutions wrote:
Because they lose an SQL Server sale presumably.
Now there's possible logic I see, but with the differences between
VFP and client/serverwell, it's very different. If you can
afford SQL Server AND NEED SQL
At 11:34 PM 8/14/2006 -0400, MB Software Solutions wrote:
Because they lose an SQL Server sale presumably.
Now there's possible logic I see, but with the differences between VFP and
client/serverwell, it's very different. If you can afford SQL Server
AND NEED SQL Server (for big dog data)
Ken Dibble <> wrote:
> Because software doesn't wear out. It always does what it always
> did--without any upkeep whatsoever. As long as it does what people
> need it to do, they have no intrinsic need to replace it. In the vast
> majority of cases involving commonly used software applications, th
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Alan Bourke wrote:
Because they lose an SQL Server sale presumably.
Now there's possible logic I see, but with the differences between VFP
and client/serverwell, it's very different. If you can afford SQL
Server AND NEED SQL Server (for big dog data), so be it. VFP is great,
but when
At 11:40 PM 8/13/06, you wrote:
On Aug 13, 2006, at 8:14 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:
What's wrong is periodically pulling the rug out from under
customers to force them to "upgrade".
My point was that the naive customer would just go along in order to
get the "latest/greatest" because for so long,
> What's wrong is periodically pulling the rug out from under customers
> to force them to "upgrade". You know, in most states in the US, it's
> a crime that results in prison time for an auto mechanic to tell a
> customer that s/he needs a "repair" that s/he doesn't really need, or
> to deliber
At 10:13 PM 8/13/06, you wrote:
On Aug 13, 2006, at 9:14 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:
But software vendors get away with this kind of crap all the time-- more
or less in collusion with hardware vendors. IMO, it's a moral
crime, even if it isn't (yet) a statutory one.
People do have a choice
What's wrong is periodically pulling the rug out from under customers
to force them to "upgrade". You know, in most states in the US, it's
a crime that results in prison time for an auto mechanic to tell a
customer that s/he needs a "repair" that s/he doesn't really need, or
to deliberately br
> From: "Jean Laeremans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> About time you took a closer look, i'm afraid at least as far as
> European cars are concerned, no idea about Americans though. Must be
> years i've seen one..
Yep iron ;->
That is how we refer to cars on the lot for sale at least.
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On Monday, August 14, 2006 1:50 PM Jean Laeremans wrote:
>About time you took a closer look, i'm afraid at least as far as
European cars are concerned, no idea >about Americans though. Must be
years i've seen one..
I heard on the radio how safer cars have gotten that more people are
surviving car
On 8/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hmm, i was only joking Stephen . Yep irony yet again
Automotive companies have to change the looks of the cars because under
it's skin not much has changed in 15.
About time you took a closer look, i'm afraid at least as far as
Euro
> From: "Jean Laeremans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, August 14, 2006 9:45 am
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> On 8/14/06, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Aug 13, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
>
> > If they have safety problems in cars, even those that are a few
> >
On 8/14/06, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Aug 13, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
If they have safety problems in cars, even those that are a few
years old, they have to fix them. If I choose to stay with my current
car (I drive a '95 Honda), it still works as long a
Ed Leafe <> wrote:
> The main problem is that people are sheep. They go along with
> whatever the majority of the rest of the people do without putting
> very much thought into it.
80/20 rule.
Stephen Russell
DBA / Operations Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
http://spaces.msn.c
On Aug 13, 2006, at 8:14 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:
What's wrong is periodically pulling the rug out from under
customers to force them to "upgrade".
My point was that the naive customer would just go along in order to
get the "latest/greatest" because for so long, upgrades *did* get you
some
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Aug 13, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
Your kidding right? People upgrade because they want something
new.
Oh, yeah, that's right; I've never upgraded because Microsoft refused
to patch security holes in the product I was using. It was always
because of my desir
Ken Dibble wrote:
It isn't that so much. The reason behind it is "NVJ" features: New
Version Justification. What possible reason is there to upgrade any
word processor or spreadsheet program when there hasn't been
anything truly new in them since, well, let me see, 10-15 years?
But companies hav
On Aug 13, 2006, at 9:14 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:
But software vendors get away with this kind of crap all the time--
more or less in collusion with hardware vendors. IMO, it's a moral
crime, even if it isn't (yet) a statutory one.
People do have a choice, and those who give enough of a damn t
On Aug 13, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
Your kidding right? People upgrade because they want something new.
Oh, yeah, that's right; I've never upgraded because Microsoft
refused to patch security holes in the product I was using. It was
always because of my desire for someth
Ken Dibble <> wrote:
> What's wrong is periodically pulling the rug out from under customers
> to force them to "upgrade". You know, in most states in the US, it's
> a crime that results in prison time for an auto mechanic to tell a
> customer that s/he needs a "repair" that s/he doesn't really ne
It isn't that so much. The reason behind it is "NVJ" features: New
Version Justification. What possible reason is there to upgrade any
word processor or spreadsheet program when there hasn't been anything
truly new in them since, well, let me see, 10-15 years? But companies
have to "innovate" t
Bingo. That's Gate's reason why...
Alan Bourke wrote:
Because they lose an SQL Server sale presumably.
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Yes, he did...
Andy Davies wrote:
Chet Gardiner wrote:
As Bill Gates said, "We lose $20,000 for every copy of VFP we sell!"
*Oh* no he didn't!
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Chet Gardiner wrote:
> As Bill Gates said, "We lose $20,000 for every copy of VFP we sell!"
*Oh* no he didn't!
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I would have thought the more they sell the less they lose but maybe
Microsoft know better.
Allen
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Subject: Re: FREE Turbo Delphi and others
Gates was guessing. The point is m$ DOES believe they lose money on
every sale of VFP.
I think the number's way low. As usual, Gates doesn't know what's
really going on in the real world.
C
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Chet Gardiner wrote:
As Bill Gates said, "We lose $20,000 for eve
Chet Gardiner wrote:
As Bill Gates said, "We lose $20,000 for every copy of VFP we sell!"
Where did he get that $?
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As Bill Gates said, "We lose $20,000 for every copy of VFP we sell!"
Don't hold your breath...
Dave Crozier wrote:
To All,
I know this isn't strictly Fox business but isn't this EXACTLY what
Microsoft should really do with VFP to relaunch it. How about VFP Lite?
"Explore for Free
Turbo Expl
On Aug 9, 2006, at 6:58 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
this industry have thought of as "innovation."
It isn't that so much. The reason behind it is "NVJ" features: New
Version Justification. What possible reason is there to upgrade any
word processor or spreadsheet program when there h
Jerry Wolper wrote:
And my checkbook spreadsheet runs almost as fast as it did in 1988.
What is wrong with this picture?
But now you can put lovely animations into your checkbook
spreadsheet. Isn't that more important than performance?
LOL! That speaks volumes about what some ge
Andy Davies wrote:
- maybe release VFP6 or VFP7 without support or something?
or with database sizes limited to 2Gb
LOL!!
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Dave Crozier wrote:
Yes I recall your previous post and I thought it was a very good idea - and
still do. However I doubt that it will ever happen - unfortunately.
Note: Still, I must have a go at YAG when in Prague about it!.
I doubt it will ever happen under the M$ umbrella.
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> And my checkbook spreadsheet runs almost as fast as it did in 1988.
>
> What is wrong with this picture?
But now you can put lovely animations into your checkbook
spreadsheet. Isn't that more important than performance?
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On Aug 9, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Andy Davies wrote:
I set it as my default
editor for Clipper
Ooh -- I had forgotten that -- I set it as my editor for dBase PRG's,
too. I still miss the phone dialer.
Ken
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Ken Kixmoeller
Jaguar Marke
>I used Sidekick...
You could bring it up by hitting both shift keys - I set it as my default
editor for Clipper so as soon as my compile bombed I could switch
straight back into my souce code - switching windows in Win 3.1 was **s l o
w** in comparison.
p.s. iirc Sidekick was from Peter Norton
On 8/9/06, mrgmhale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have fond memories of Turbo
> Pascal and Turbo C from years ago.
Same here, plus their ground-breaking Sidekick application. I used Sidekick
for so many things. Imagine how thrilled I was when in DOS I was able to
copy and paste data between a
Well as long as we're reminiscing ...
I got my first Intel PC in 1986 or 1987.
It had a 4.8MHz processor and 1 MB of RAM.
It had a 5.25" floppy with 750Kb capacity and a 20Mb Hard Drive at
2400RPM that was the size of a shoebox and weighed about 8 or 9 pounds.
I tried installing 123 on it but a
Speaking of Borland apps I have VERY FOND memories of Quattro Pro!
I was the sole Quattro Pro user in a +4000 people company for a long time.
Everybody else was using Lotus123+Allways. Almost got my purchase
request denied because the IT director (talk about stupid
micromanagement) didn't know w
, and to lie
about your age
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Yeah Sidekick was a real killer app for the time!
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se III
(later III+), I never looked back. Ah, the memories
Gil
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> - maybe release VFP6 or VFP7 without support or something?
or with database sizes limited to 2Gb
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The Turbo product set includes Turbo Delphi® for Win32, Turbo Delphi for
.NET®, Turbo C++® and Turbo C#®
Delphi for .NET!
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Great to see the 'Turbo' name back - I have fond memories of Turbo
Pascal and Turbo C from years ago.
Regarding VFP Lite, well they did it with the .NET platforms so there is
a precedent - maybe release VFP6 or VFP7 without support or something?
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Dave Crozier said "As a matter of interest are you going to Prague?"
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Dave Crozier said "How about VFP Lite?"
Yes! - I said so here:
http://leafe.com/archives/showMsg/314097
- but got a lacklustre response from the list.
Dave Crozier said "How about VFP Lite?"
Yes! - I said so here:
http://leafe.com/archives/showMsg/314097
- but got a lacklustre response from the list.
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