Re: hcls dataset description comments--Dataset Descriptions vs. PROV

2014-08-04 Thread Melissa Haendel
I'm happy to help Michael, let me know where I can contribute. Cheers, Melissa On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Michael Miller mailto:michael.mil...@systemsbiology.org>> wrote: hi michel and kim, yes, i'll take a look at writing something up. kim, i do see 'wasDerivedFrom' and 'createdWith' which

RE: hcls dataset description comments--Dataset Descriptions vs. PROV

2014-08-04 Thread Michael Miller
hi michel and kim, yes, i'll take a look at writing something up. kim, i do see 'wasDerivedFrom' and 'createdWith' which, you're right, do address this issue in part but there is so much more to this, which i think using PROV terms will address. so i'll try and come up with a potential example o

Re: hcls dataset description comments--Dataset Descriptions vs. PROV

2014-08-04 Thread Michel Dumontier
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Joachim Baran wrote: > Having said that, our note apparently is not clear on that particular > aspect. We will see what we can do about this. We would welcome some prose from you and Melissa so that it communicates what you feel is necessary for other potential us

Re: hcls dataset description comments--Dataset Descriptions vs. PROV

2014-08-04 Thread Joachim Baran
Hi! Relations between dataset descriptions are actually supported and we addressed derived datasets. Having said that, our note apparently is not clear on that particular aspect. We will see what we can do about this. Kim > On Aug 4, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Michael Miller > wrote: > > hi all,

RE: hcls dataset description comments--Dataset Descriptions vs. PROV

2014-08-04 Thread Michael Miller
hi melissa, '...and ideally we'd be able to automate the display of the provenance chain...' we already are close to automating producing our feature matrix given a snapshot of the dcc repository and this is exactly what we'd like to add to the pipeline. thanks, michael Michael Miller

Re: hcls dataset description comments--Dataset Descriptions vs. PROV

2014-08-04 Thread Melissa Haendel
Hi all, I agree Michael, and I had put a note to this effect on the original google doc. We deal with the same issue all the time, and ideally we'd be able to automate the display of the provenance chain if such a thing were specified well enough. Cheers, Melissa On Aug 4, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Mic

RE: hcls dataset description comments--Dataset Descriptions vs. PROV

2014-08-04 Thread Michael Miller
hi all, as you are all undoubtedly aware, a major, if not the major TCGA dataset use cases revolve around taking the 3rd level data from the TCGA dcc repository and doing analysis, producing 4th level data such as clusters, pca, etc. one of the things we do here at ISB is produce an intermediat

Re: Problem with classifying the Human Phenotype Ontology

2014-08-04 Thread Andrea Splendiani
Yes, I think reasoners that only consider the EL subset are very fast. >From the site: TrOWL utilises ... a syntactic approximation from OWL2-DL to OWL2-EL for TBox and ABox reasoning. best, Andrea On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Matthias Samwald < matthias.samw...@meduniwien.ac.at> wrote: > >

[LLD] Reminder: Dataset descriptions telco 8AM PST / 5PM CET

2014-08-04 Thread M. Scott Marshall
Hello All, Just a reminder of our telco at 8AM PST / 5PM CET. Relevant docs: - Working draft of W3C Note: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html Cheers, Scott -- M. Scott Marshall, PhD MAASTRO clinic, http://www.maastro.nl/en

Re: Problem with classifying the Human Phenotype Ontology

2014-08-04 Thread Melissa Haendel
Hi Andrea, Those of us who work on the HPO (OWL) use ELK for classification, and most other ontologies and it works quite well. Cheers, Melissa On Aug 4, 2014, at 5:40 AM, Matthias Samwald mailto:matthias.samw...@meduniwien.ac.at>> wrote: > TrOWL I have tried, but I have the impression it doe

Re: Problem with classifying the Human Phenotype Ontology

2014-08-04 Thread Matthias Samwald
> TrOWL I have tried, but I have the impression it doesn't really make a classification upfront, but rather incrementally on demand. It's just an impression, but it classified HP in no time ;) It is supposed to classify everything. Maybe you don't have a problem at all. ;) - Matthias Am 0

Re: Problem with classifying the Human Phenotype Ontology

2014-08-04 Thread Andrea Splendiani
Hi, I didn't see the BioHackathon ML message. I have just realised my mail setup is a bit messed up... TrOWL I have tried, but I have the impression it doesn't really make a classification upfront, but rather incrementally on demand. It's just an impression, but it classified HP in no time ;) I wi

Re: Problem with classifying the Human Phenotype Ontology

2014-08-04 Thread Matthias Samwald
Hi Andrea, I remember you got the recommendation to try ELK on the Biohackathon mailing list. Is ELK not working for you? You might also want to give TrOWL a try if ELK is not working for you for some reason. Konclude might also be an option as it seems to outperform most other reasoners, but

Problem with classifying the Human Phenotype Ontology

2014-08-04 Thread Andrea Splendiani
Hi all, I have stumbled onto a problem for which I would like to hear from your experience. In a project, I am using the Human Phenotype Ontology ( http://www.human-phenotype-ontology.org/). For the sake of the project, I really only need the is_a structure of the ontology, but as an OWL version