Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-12 Thread Phillip Lord
> "LH" == Larry Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: LH> On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 11:42 +0100, Phillip Lord wrote: >> >> My own feeling is that the fly people got it right years >> ago. Their gene identifiers had meaning, but not too much. So, >> for example, sevenless is a mutant lack

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-11 Thread Larry Hunter
On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 11:42 +0100, Phillip Lord wrote: > > My own feeling is that the fly people got it right years ago. Their > gene identifiers had meaning, but not too much. So, for example, > sevenless is a mutant lacking the 7th cell in the eye. Clear, straight > forward and memorable. And

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-11 Thread Trish Whetzel
Hi Alan, I meant to refer to the portion of the identifier 'GO#001' as in the example below with respect to OWL ontologies. My understanding is that when building an ontology using Protege/OWL, it would be best to use GO_001 in the rdf:ID field (perhaps that is not correct?). When usi

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-10 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
Hi Trish, What was the specifics of the argument for alphanumeric versus numeric identifiers? If you check out the go-format list I recently sent some examples that use identifiers of the form http://www.bioontologies.org/2006/02/obo/GO#001 Details are in http://sourceforge.net/maila

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-10 Thread William Bug
Dear Philip,Thanks again for your thoughtful and candid comments.I'm glad you mentioned "Sonic Hedgehog."  :-)I would have to disagree on the point you are making here.From the point of view of mining the literature, use of language is remarkably "messy" given the business of science.As wonderfully

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-10 Thread Trish Whetzel
AR> Could I strongly support the following. If there is one AR> repeatedly confirmed lesson from the medical communities AR> experience with large terminologies/ontologies/ it is to AR> separate the "terms" from the "entities". ... Not that I wish to disagree with Alan, of course, but

RE: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-10 Thread Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)
y 08, 2006 11:57 AM > To: William Bug > Cc: Miller, Michael D (Rosetta); Tim Clark; w3c semweb hcls; > SWAN Team; Trish Whetzel; chris mungall > Subject: Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment > > > > On 6 Jul 2006, at 19:22, William Bug wrote: > > > >

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-10 Thread Alan Rector
On 10 Jul 2006, at 11:42, Phillip Lord wrote: "AR" == Alan Rector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: AR> All AR> Just catching up. AR> Could I strongly support the following. If there is one AR> repeatedly confirmed lesson from the medical communities AR> experience with large term

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-10 Thread Phillip Lord
> "AR" == Alan Rector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: AR> All AR> Just catching up. AR> Could I strongly support the following. If there is one AR> repeatedly confirmed lesson from the medical communities AR> experience with large terminologies/ontologies/ it is to AR> separate t

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-10 Thread Phillip Lord
> "cm" == chris mungall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Converting between one syntax and another is fairly simple, and >> there are some reasonably tools for it. XSLT would work for >> converting XML into RDF. I wouldn't like to use it for converting >> the other way (actually I would

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-09 Thread Alan Rector
All Just catching up. Could I strongly support the following. If there is one repeatedly confirmed lesson from the medical communities experience with large terminologies/ontologies/ it is to separate the "terms" from the "entities". There are always linguistic artefacts, and language

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-09 Thread Alan Rector
On 6 Jul 2006, at 19:22, William Bug wrote: 2) Doesn't this lead down a road similar to that of MIAME, only now you've shifted the border of incommensurateness beyond the level for data format and into the semantic domain? Yes, but put another way, you have refactored the problem of

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-07 Thread chris mungall
On Jul 7, 2006, at 3:35 AM, Phillip Lord wrote: "TW" == Trish Whetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: TW> Hi all, TW> As a terribly simple question, is it possible to take the actual TW> FuGE-ML that is generated on a per instance reporting of an TW> experiment/study/investigation and

RE: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-07 Thread Xiaoshu Wang
Trish, > Comments inline. > > >> Based on that work, I'd like to follow Eric N's penchant for > >> "strawmen" and propose the following amendments to the Proposed > >> Classes to give focus to the discussion: > >> > >> Project > >> Study > >> Hypothesis > >> ... > > > > I honestly think before

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-07 Thread Phillip Lord
> "TW" == Trish Whetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: TW> Hi all, TW> As a terribly simple question, is it possible to take the actual TW> FuGE-ML that is generated on a per instance reporting of an TW> experiment/study/investigation and then convert than to RDF for TW> use with sema

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-07 Thread William Bug
On Jul 6, 2006, at 12:55 PM, William Bug wrote:In the context of the comment above, this is being addressed by trying to establish a foundational ontology for biomedical reality and an ontology of relations ([]).  I realize we went through this debate of the foundational ontology a few weeks back,

RE: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-06 Thread Chimezie Ogbuji
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Trish Whetzel wrote: Hi all, As a terribly simple question, is it possible to take the actual FuGE-ML that is generated on a per instance reporting of an experiment/study/investigation and then convert than to RDF for use with semantic web technologies? Absolutely,

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-06 Thread Trish Whetzel
Comments inline. Based on that work, I'd like to follow Eric N's penchant for "strawmen" and propose the following amendments to the Proposed Classes to give focus to the discussion: Project Study Hypothesis ... I honestly think before making the list, we should think about how ontology shou

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-06 Thread Trish Whetzel
Two quick questions: 1) If two labs are doing microarray experiments and each seeks to represent the data all the way back to the digital image acquired (so as to enable others to reanalyze the data, and modify the pooling and/or statistics applied in this new, shared context), if both are

RE: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-06 Thread Trish Whetzel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Neumann Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:57 AM To: AJ Chen Cc: w3c semweb hcls Subject: Re: ontol

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-06 Thread William Bug
Hi Xiaoshu,I believe the issue you raise is a critical one - one, as Sean - I believe - pointed out in the call - that there heated debates continue regarding whether whether it's appropriate to ever "merge" ontologies, and - if so, how explicit and detailed must the contract be.Please see below fo

RE: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-06 Thread Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)
ael D (Rosetta); Eric Neumann; AJ Chen; w3c semweb hcls; SWAN TeamSubject: Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment Dear Tim, I think this is an excellent idea - and comes at a very propitious time. I would suggest including participants on the FuGO, PaTO, and EXPO projec

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-06 Thread Xiaoshu Wang
> Based on that work, I'd like to follow Eric N's penchant for > "strawmen" and propose the following amendments to the > Proposed Classes to give focus to the discussion: > > Project > Study > Hypothesis > ... I honestly think before making the list, we should think about how ontology should

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-06 Thread William Bug
ler Lead Software Developer Rosetta Biosoftware Business Unit www.rosettabio.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric NeumannSent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:57 AMTo: AJ ChenCc: w3c semweb hclsSubject: Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experime

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-06 Thread Tim Clark
ChenCc: w3c semweb hclsSubject: Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment AJ,This is a great start, and thanks for taking this on! I would like to see this task force propose a conceptual framework within the two months. It does not have to be final, but I think we need to h

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-05 Thread William Bug
chael Miller Lead Software Developer Rosetta Biosoftware Business Unit www.rosettabio.com -----Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric NeumannSent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:57 AMTo: AJ ChenCc: w3c semweb hclsSubject: Re: ontology specs for self-publish

RE: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-05 Thread Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)
AIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric NeumannSent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:57 AMTo: AJ ChenCc: w3c semweb hclsSubject: Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment AJ, This is a great start, and thanks for taking this on! I would like to see this task force

Re: ontology specs for self-publishing experiment

2006-07-03 Thread Eric Neumann
AJ,This is a great start, and thanks for taking this on! I would like to see this task force propose a conceptual framework within the two months. It does not have to be final, but I think we need to have others on the list review the ontologies (http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ScientificPublishingTas