Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 25, 2018, at 14:40, Brett Cannon wrote: > For me personally, I am not going to participate in any discussion about any > PEP until there is a published text to refer to, otherwise the discussion is > ripe for misunderstandings. If a PEP comes out which people disagree with and > want an

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 09:18, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 25.09.2018 16:28, Mariatta Wijaya wrote: > > My proposal is taking into consideration The PSF's mission and diversity > > statement. I will not remove the diversity clause from PEP 8011. > > I cannot comment on what you actually have in PEP

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > Le 25/09/2018 à 18:10, Guido van Rossum a écrit : >>To save us all trouble of discussing this particular issue, for >>those of you who disagree completely, and have other ideas about how >>you'd like Python to be governed

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 25/09/2018 à 18:10, Guido van Rossum a écrit : > To save us all trouble of discussing this particular issue, for > those of you who disagree completely, and have other ideas about how > you'd like Python to be governed and who should be in it, you can do > one or more of the fol

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 25.09.2018 16:28, Mariatta Wijaya wrote: > My proposal is taking into consideration The PSF's mission and diversity > statement. I will not remove the diversity clause from PEP 8011. I cannot comment on what you actually have in PEP 8011 as diversity clause, since the page is just a placeholder

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:28 AM Mariatta Wijaya wrote: > My proposal is taking into consideration The PSF's mission and diversity > statement. I will not remove the diversity clause from PEP 8011. > +1 > To save us all trouble of discussing this particular issue, for those of > you who disagre

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 25/09/2018 à 17:49, Victor Stinner a écrit : > Le mar. 25 sept. 2018 à 13:57, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : >> Not sure what you mean here. What you are asking for is routinely >> called, AFAIK, "positive discrimination". Please correct me if I'm wrong. >> >> You ask me to assume positive intent,

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Victor Stinner
Le mar. 25 sept. 2018 à 13:57, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > Not sure what you mean here. What you are asking for is routinely > called, AFAIK, "positive discrimination". Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > You ask me to assume positive intent, but you are the one assuming > negative intent on my p

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Paul Moore
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 15:28, Mariatta Wijaya wrote: > > My proposal is taking into consideration The PSF's mission and diversity > statement. I will not remove the diversity clause from PEP 8011. > > To save us all trouble of discussing this particular issue, for those of you > who disagree com

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Mariatta Wijaya
My proposal is taking into consideration The PSF's mission and diversity statement. I will not remove the diversity clause from PEP 8011. To save us all trouble of discussing this particular issue, for those of you who disagree completely, and have other ideas about how you'd like Python to be gov

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Giampaolo Rodola'
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:52 PM Mariatta Wijaya wrote: > > > * Mariatta proposed to require to have a least one woman in that > > council. > > > Why stop at women? > > > My actual wording was: "not all white men", which actually means quite > different from "must include one woman". > > I don't a

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 25/09/2018 à 13:52, Mariatta Wijaya a écrit : > I don't appreciate you jumping straight to accusing me for > discrimination. Assume positive intent, and ask for clarity before > scrutinizing and making accusations. Not sure what you mean here. What you are asking for is routinely called, AFAI

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Mariatta Wijaya
> * Mariatta proposed to require to have a least one woman in that > council. > Why stop at women? My actual wording was: "not all white men", which actually means quite different from "must include one woman". I don't appreciate you jumping straight to accusing me for discrimination. Assume po

Re: [python-committers] Council / board (Was: 1 week to Oct 1)

2018-09-25 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hi, Le 25/09/2018 à 12:14, Victor Stinner a écrit : > > Since there are no concrete PEPs, I don't know where I should post my > comments. I decided to send them here :-) > > For the new council/board idea (group of 3 or 5 peoples): > > * Can we require that each people comes from a different c