On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:31:06 AM UTC+5:30, Rhodri James wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:26:27 +0100, Mark Janssen
> wrote:
>
> >> = Rusi, attribution missing from original.
Yes. It would help to keep your quotes bound (firstclassly?) to their
respective quoters --
On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:56:27 AM UTC+5:30, zipher wrote:
> > Objects in programming languages (or 'values' if one is more functional
> > programming oriented) correspond to things in the world.
>
>
> One of the things you're saying there is that "values correspond to
> things in the wor
On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:20:10 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> If you read the whole python-history blog on blogspot, you'll see that
> Python's had it's share of mistakes, design failures and other "oops!"
> moments. I think that it is a testament to GvR's over-all design that the
>
On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:48:25 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:18:59 -0700, John Nagle wrote:
>
> > No, Python went through the usual design screwups. Look at how
> > painful the slow transition to Unicode was, from just "str" to Unicode
> > strings, ASCII s
On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:01:37 AM UTC+5:30, zipher wrote:
> Yes, and all of that is because, the world has not settled on some
> simple facts. It needs an understanding of type system. It's been
> throwing terms around, some of which are well-defined, but others,
> not: there has been enor
On Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:34:56 PM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
> To be fair to Larry, there were different design drivers working there.
One more thing to be said for perl:
I remember when some colleague first told me about perl (I guess early 90s) I
was incredulous that the *same* language
On Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:04:00 PM UTC+5:30, David wrote:
> I have never heard the term "hypercomplex" numbers. I guess you
> are referring to vectors with more dimensions than two. A three
A generalization of quaternions :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercomplex_number
http://en.wikipedia
On Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:40:19 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
> I have no objection to encouraging people to read the fine manual, and I
> don't intend to be Nikos' (or anyone else's) unpaid full-time help desk
> and troubleshooter. But I do think it is simply unfair to treat him m
On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:31:21 PM UTC+5:30, Ravi Sahni wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM, rusi wrote:
> > To explain at length will be too long and OT (off-topic) for this list.
> > I'll just give you a link and you tell me what you make of it:
> > http://sl
On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:49:11 AM UTC+5:30, zipher wrote:
> I don't have an infinite stack to implement
> lambda calculus, but...
And then
> But this is not a useful formalism. Any particular Program implements
> a DFA, even as it runs on a TM. The issue of whether than TM is
> finite or
On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:46:50 AM UTC+5:30, Ravi Sahni wrote:
> With due respect Sir, you saying that Turing machine not a machine?
> Very confusion Sir!!!
Thanks Ravi for the 'due respect' though it is a bit out of place on a list
like this :-)
Thanks even more for the 'very confusion'.
On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 5:54:10 AM UTC+5:30, zipher wrote:
> Now, one can easily argue that I've gone too far to say "no one has
> understood it" (obviously), so it's very little tongue-in-cheek, but
> really, when one tries to pretend that one model of computation can be
> substituted for anot
On Sunday, October 6, 2013 2:35:24 PM UTC+5:30, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
> So, instead of this, maybe we should work on getting psycopg2 to the
> top result on Googling “python sql”, or even “python mysql” with an
> anti-MySQL ad? (like vim was doing some time ago on Googling “emacs”)
Do yo
On Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:57:48 PM UTC+5:30, Ravi Sahni wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:46 AM, rusi wrote:
> > 4. There is a whole spectrum of such optimizaitons --
> > 4a eg a single-call structural recursion example, does not need to push
> > return address on the
On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:53:46 PM UTC+5:30, Alain Ketterlin wrote:
> rusi writes:
>
>
>
> > On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 3:00:41 AM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
> >> Part of the reason that Python does not do tail call optimization is
> >> th
On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 3:00:41 AM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
> Part of the reason that Python does not do tail call optimization is
> that turning tail recursion into while iteration is almost trivial, once
> you know the secret of the two easy steps. Here it is.
What happens for mutual
On Monday, September 30, 2013 11:20:16 PM UTC+5:30, vignesh.h...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Thank you both so much! I'll be sure to make more pertinent subject lines now
> :) Thanks for the detailed explanations! Clearly, I've just started learning
> this language ~20 minutes before I made this post, an
On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 6:11:18 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:04:32 +0200, Franck Ditter wrote:
> > 2. Lambda-expression body is limited to one expression. Why ?
>
> Nobody has come up with syntax that is unambiguous, would allow multiple
> statements in an expr
On Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:54:22 AM UTC+5:30, Arturo B wrote:
> So I know what recursion is, but I don't know how is
>
>flatten(i)
>
> evaluated, what value does it returns?
There is a folklore in CS that recursion is hard
[To iterate is human, to recurse divine
On Friday, September 27, 2013 4:13:52 PM UTC+5:30, Dave Angel wrote:
> You should study APL. Many functions were written in one line, with
> twenty lines of explanation. The function itself was considered
> unreadable nonsense. And if a function stopped working, general wisdom
> was to throw it o
On Friday, September 27, 2013 12:43:51 AM UTC+5:30, D.YAN ESCOLAR RAMBAL wrote:
> Good morning all
>
> thanks for your help. Now I`ve a question, if I need create a matrix, method
> of thomas, ghost nodes, etc.. for developed one aplicative for the ecuation
> of difusion in 1d, 2d, 3d, 4d. It`s
On Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:54:22 AM UTC+5:30, Arturo B wrote:
> So I know what recursion is, but I don't know how is
>
>flatten(i)
>
> evaluated, what value does it returns?
When you are a noob, who do you ask? The gurus.
When you are a guru who do you ask? The co
On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:56:21 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:07 AM, rusi wrote:
> > And this is an old conundrum in programming language design:
> >
> > In C printf is easy to write and NOT put into the language but into
> > e
On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:21:19 PM UTC+5:30, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
> Would the type system get in the way of providing some analogous
> function in Haskell? I don't know.
Yes.
The haskell curry
curry f x y = f (x,y)
is really only curry2
curry3 would be
curry3 f x y z = f (x,y,z)
and so
On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:12:51 PM UTC+5:30, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
> rusi writes:
>
> > Without resorting to lambdas/new-functions:
> > With functools.partial one can freeze any subset of a
> > function(callable's) parameters.
> >
>
> &g
On Monday, September 23, 2013 11:54:53 PM UTC+5:30, Vito De Tullio wrote:
> rusi wrote:
>
> > [Not everything said there is correct; eg python supports currying better
> > [than haskell which is surprising considering that Haskell's surname is
> > [Curry!]
>
&g
On Monday, September 23, 2013 2:01:00 PM UTC+5:30, Peter Cacioppi wrote:
> One thing re: editors and interactive environments. I'm not a huge emacs fan
> (ducking) and I really like iPython.
Heh! Yeah we are an endangered species
G enerally
N ot
U sed
E ditor for
M iddle
A ged
C omputer
S cientis
Take a look at babel
http://www.cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/data/CISE-13-3-SciProg.pdf
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/intro.html
Its my impression that babel supports everything and more that pylatex does
...the catch is that its under emacs...!!
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Combining your two questions -- Recently:
What minimum should a person know before saying "I know Python"
And earlier this
On Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:00:35 PM UTC+5:30, Aseem Bansal wrote:
> If there is an issue in place for improving the lambda forms then that's
> good. I wanted a link about f
On Monday, September 23, 2013 12:27:50 AM UTC+5:30, John Ladasky wrote:
> All right, never mind!
>
>
> I hacked around this morning, making some changes to parts of my program that
> I thought were unrelated to my namespace issues. I was paring it down to a
> minimal example, to post here as N
On Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:13:13 AM UTC+5:30, Peter Cacioppi wrote:
> This is an idea brought over from another post.
>
> When I write Python code I generally have 2 or 3 windows open simultaneously.
>
>
> 1) An editor for the actual code.
> 2) The interactive interpreter.
> 3) An editor fo
On Friday, September 20, 2013 8:51:20 PM UTC+5:30, Kasper Guldmann wrote:
> I was playing around with lambda functions, but I cannot seem to fully grasp
> them. I was running the script below in Python 2.7.5, and it doesn't do what
> I want it to. Are lambda functions really supposed to work that w
On Friday, September 20, 2013 7:09:13 PM UTC+5:30, Robert Kern wrote:
> On 2013-09-20 12:43, rusi wrote:
> > Stroustrup says he is still learning C++ and I know kids who have no qualms
> > saying they know programming language L (for various values of L) after
> > hardly an
On Friday, September 20, 2013 3:28:00 PM UTC+5:30, Aseem Bansal wrote:
> I started Python 4 months ago. Largely self-study with use of Python
> documentation, stackoverflow and google. I was thinking what is the minimum
> that I must know before I can say that I know Python?
>
>
>
> I come fro
On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:12:21 AM UTC+5:30, Bryan Britten wrote:
> Hey, gang, I've got a problem here that I'm sure a handful of you will know
> how to solve. I've got about 6 *.csv files that I am trying to open; change
> the header names (to get rid of spaces); add two new columns, wh
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:49:28 PM UTC+5:30, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:55 AM, rusi wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:21:49 PM UTC+5:30, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
>
> >
> >> The main difference between wx and qt is
On Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:21:49 PM UTC+5:30, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
> The main difference between wx and qt is that qt looks native on every
> platform
> while wx *is* native on every platform (it uses native controls wherever
> possible). This means that wx integrates into the OS bett
On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:44:04 PM UTC+5:30, mnishpsyched wrote:
> Hey i am a programmer but new to python. Can anyone guide me in knowing which
> is a better IDE used to develop web related apps that connect to DB using
> python?
Just saw this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-dUkyn_fZA
On Friday, September 6, 2013 10:26:07 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Not specifically about Python, but still relevant:
>
> http://blog.kickin-the-darkness.com/2007/09/confessions-of-terrible-programmer.html
Nice post -- thanks!
Prompted this from me
http://blog.languager.org/2013/09/poor
On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:05:53 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> Skip Montanaro writes:
>
> > I really love Emacs, however... […]
> >
> > This is clearly a case where choosing the proper tool is important. I
> > agree that using a spreadsheet to edit a 3x5 CSV file is likely
> > overkill (might
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:40:39 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> > The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that
> > emacs' ergonomics is not right.
>
> Kind of a small sample size, don't you think? Hopefully we can kill
> this meme that Emacs is somehow worse for your wrists than
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:05:14 AM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
> I never got why Vi doesn't support Ctrl-C by default -- it's not like
> it's a used key-combination and it would have helped me so many times
> when I was younger.
Dunno what you are referring to.
Out here C-c gets vi out of in
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 1:37:10 PM UTC+5:30, Göktuğ Kayaalp wrote:
> Programmability comes to my mind, before anything else. I'd suggest
> to find out about designs of Emacs and Vi(m).
There's one reason I prefer emacs -- and I guess some people prefer Idle -- the
interpreter and editor are ti
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:03:19 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Simmons wrote:
> Boy oh boy! You really are a slow learner Nicos. You have just offered to
> commit a crime and to include dozens of others in that crime ON A PUBLIC
> FORUM. Please think before you post.
For the record Steve, let me say, I f
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 6:38:31 AM UTC+5:30, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
> And also, let's end this and all the related discussions about
> trolling and how to deal with trolls. I can see how some are annoyed
> by Νίκος and his posts but I for one am *much more* concerned/bothered
> by the surrounding
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:31:23 PM UTC+5:30, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> Are the existence of laws against beating people up
> negated because you told them in advance? Or negated
> because they "deserve" the beating?
One of the fundamental purpose of laws is to legalize what you call 'bea
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC+5:30, feedth...@gmx.de wrote:
> Any questions?
YES!
Who is that hiding behind 'FeedTheTroll' ?
Well thanks anyways :-)
I was thinking of doing that but could not find my oxygen mask needed to wade
into the steaming pile of ...
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On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 5:52:12 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I'm running a box with Debian squeeze, and I just ran:
> sudo aptitude install jython
> which ended up installing Python 2.5:
BTW trying to install jython out here gave me this list
(which does not seem to have this dependenc
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 5:52:12 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Does anyone know why CPython 2.5 is a dependency for Jython 2.5.1+ on
> Debian squeeze?
Not exactly answering your question...
The debian dependencies can be fairly 'conservative' which means all kinds of
stuff is pulled in
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 3:15:15 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> If my boss gave a random stranger from a mailing list the root
> password to one of our servers, I would say to his face that he had
> betrayed his (our) customers' trust. I would say it with strong
> emphasis and a raised tone
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 6:09:35 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
>
> > So who would enforce any rules?
>
> Ideally, this community is healthy enough for us to enforce the code of
> conduct of our host, through social convention among us all.
Thanks Ben for that.
Lets
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:41:32 AM UTC+5:30, Victor Hooi wrote:
> Also, what's this improvement you mentioned?
See thread
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-June/650550.html
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On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:17:29 AM UTC+5:30, Victor Hooi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a Python script where I want to run fork and run an external command
> (or set of commands).
> For example, after doing , I then want to run ssh to a host, handover
> control back to the user, and have my script
A plague is raging in the town
A rat scampers into the room.
People are harried --- A RAT!
Rurpy: Rats are living beings dont you know?! Never kill a living being!
Its not humanitarian, er rattatitarian.
(200 more posts on humanitarianism, veganism, rattatitarianism etc)
Alex: Hear Hear! But fir
On Monday, July 1, 2013 8:36:53 PM UTC+5:30, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2013-07-01, rusi wrote:
> > 1. Kill-filing/spam-filtering are tools for spam.
> > Nikos is certainly not spamming in the sense of automated
> > sending out of cooked mail to zillions of recipients/lis
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 1:24:30 AM UTC+5:30, Tobiah wrote:
> > Are you familiar with absolute and relative imports:
> > http://docs.python.org/release/2.5/whatsnew/pep-328.html
>
> Doesn't seem to work:
> Python 2.7.3 (default, May 10 2012, 13:31:18)
> [GCC 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4)] on linux
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 1:32:44 AM UTC+5:30, Dave Angel wrote:
> But what was the expected output? And who cares? The code made no
> sense, was incomplete, and the posted question was nonsensical.
Yes in this specific instance all this is probably true.
I believe however, that Joel's intent in
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 12:46:40 AM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
> On 1 July 2013 19:29, rusi wrote:
>
> > On Monday, July 1, 2013 10:26:21 PM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
>
> >> So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
> >>
On Monday, July 1, 2013 11:59:35 PM UTC+5:30, Tobiah wrote:
> So today, I created a file called 'formatter.py',
> and my program broke. It turned out that I was
> also import 'gluon' from web2py, which in turn,
> somewhere, imported the regular python formatter.py
> with which I was not familiar.
On Monday, July 1, 2013 10:26:21 PM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
> So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
> the list.
This 'and' is type-wrong.
> I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you
> two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for th
On Monday, July 1, 2013 9:04:11 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > And no, i do not want to piss off people like you, who have spend time
> > helping me.
> Too late. I asked you to stop flaming on-list, and you didn't. I am now
> kill-filing you for a month. Feel grateful that it is not perma
On Monday, July 1, 2013 7:31:18 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hurry wrote:
> Please...enough. Polite request: consider killfiling him and having done
> with it.
>
>
> It is irritating to see all the responses even though I killfiled him
> long ago. Whilst I realise, of course, that it is entirely your
>
On Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:08:51 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
> > for host in hosts:
> >deploy(the_code).remote()
>
> For further hack delight, require a patch
> Submitted for this code restrict itself
> To five feet, neither more nor
On Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:24:46 PM UTC+5:30, Akshay Kayastha wrote:
> Hi I am trying to compile a python module called hunspell from the following
> [source](https://pypi.python.org/pypi/hunspell).
>
According to
http://docs.python.org/2/extending/windows.html
you need to use the same compiler
On Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:52:24 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jun 2013 01:56:25 -0700, rusi wrote:
> > Now having such passes is one thing. Defining the language in terms of
> > them quite another...
>
>
> I don't believe that Python'
On Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:23:35 AM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
>
>
>
> If, in the general case, the compiler requires two passes to understand
> a function body, then *so do people*#. This requirement is what trips up
> people who are either not used to the idea of two-pass compilation or do
On Sunday, June 30, 2013 10:38:01 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> > One of the reasons I switched to Python was to not have to do that, or
> > hardly ever. For valid code, an new declaration is hardly needed. Parameters
> > are locals. If
On Sunday, June 30, 2013 12:21:35 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:02:01 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> > We might as well say that C doesn't have variables, it has names
> > pointing to memory locations or value containers or something like that.
> >
> > AFAICS there is
On Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:32:01 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 29-06-13 16:02, Michael Torrie schreef:
> > The real problem here is that you don't understand how python variables
> > work. And in fact, python does not have variables. It has names that
> > bind to objects.
>
> I don't
On Saturday, June 29, 2013 7:06:37 AM UTC+5:30, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 06/27/2013 03:49 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > [rant]
> > I think it is lousy design for a framework like argparse to raise a
> > custom ArgumentError in one part of the code, only to catch it elsewhere
> > and call sys.exit.
On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:45:27 PM UTC+5:30, Νίκος wrote:
> Στις 28/6/2013 12:35 μμ, ο/η Robert Kern έγραψε:
> I see, your explanation started to make things clearer to me.
> What is the easiest and simplest web framework you advise me to use?
>
Here's a picture of the web-development scene as I
On Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:44:36 PM UTC+5:30, Fábio Santos wrote:
> On 27 Jun 2013 14:49, wrote:
> > I've used web frameworks, but I don't know how they work. Is there anywhere
> > that I can learn how this all works from scratch?
> Write CGI scripts. It is the most raw way to program for the
On Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:40:39 PM UTC+5:30, Vlastimil Brom wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I belive, the author is Roman Jakobson, see the respective post about
> this very question:
> http://linguistlist.org/issues/9/9-32.html
Thanks!
>
> There seem to be several variations,
> Another remarkable linguist
On Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:49:23 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:14 PM, rusi wrote:
>
> > I am looking for a quote
> > (from Whorf/Sapir/Wittgenstein/Humboldt dunno... that 'school')
> >
> > It goes something like this:
I am looking for a quote
(from Whorf/Sapir/Wittgenstein/Humboldt dunno... that 'school')
It goes something like this:
What characterizes a language is not what we can say in it but what we must --
like it or not -- say.
A demo of this is D Hofstadter's
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655
On Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:35:14 PM UTC+5:30, Russel Walker wrote:
> On Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:19:18 AM UTC+2, Thrinaxodon wrote:
> I was hoping to have a good laugh. :|
> Although I wouldn't call it hostile.
I think the python community is being educated in how to spam and troll at the
sa
On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:54:56 PM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
> On 25 June 2013 22:48, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 25 June 2013 17:47:22 Joshua Landau did opine:
>
> I did not.
I guess Joshua is saying that saying ≠ opining
[Or is he opining?]
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On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:09:53 PM UTC+5:30, jim...@aol.com wrote:
> I just checked and MISRA-C 2012 now allows gotos in specific, limited
> circumstances. I think it was the MISRA-C 1998 standard that caused all this
> trouble. So if MISRA now allows goto, why not Python :)
Not sure w
On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:03:39 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:39:53 -0400, jimjhb wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just checked and MISRA-C 2012 now allows gotos in specific, limited
>
> > circumstances. I think it was the MISRA-C 1998 standard that caused all
>
> > this
On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:35:50 AM UTC+5:30, willle...@gmail.com wrote:
> thanks man you answered my questions very clear, btw do you know of a place
> where I can learn python I know some tutorials but are 2. something and I'm
> using 3.3 and I've been told they are different.
If you are a
I guess the string constant 'XYZ:colorlist' needs to be a byte-string -- use b
prefix?
Dunno for sure. Black hole for me -- unicode!
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On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:30:54 PM UTC+5:30, Ian wrote:
> In my experience the sorts of people who preach "one exit point" are
> also all about defining preconditions and postconditions and proving
> that the postconditions follow from the preconditions. I think that
> the two are linked, becaus
On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:48:44 AM UTC+5:30, jyou...@kc.rr.com wrote:
> 1. Is there another way to get metadata out of a pdf without having to
> install another module?
> 2. Is it safe to assume pdf files should always be encoded as latin-1 (when
> trying to read it this way)? Is there a chanc
On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:44:44 AM UTC+5:30, alex23 wrote:
> I'd probably just go with a generator expression to feed the for loop:
>
> for X in (i for i in ListY if conditionZ):
>
>
Nice idiom -- thanks
Yes it does not correspond to a takewhile (or break in the control stru
On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:09:19 AM UTC+5:30, MRAB wrote:
> And convenience for the programmer.
>
> """Manipulating long texts using variable-length strings? Yes, I know
> it's inefficient, but it's still faster than doing it by hand!"""
Well... did not say it because it tends to be emotional
On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:41:22 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> rusi writes:
> > I dont however think that the two philosophies are the same. See
> > http://www.tcl.tk/doc/scripting.html
>
> That essay constrasts “scripting” versus “system programming”, a useful
>
On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:08:57 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:52 AM, <> wrote:
>
> > (NOTE: Many people are being taught to avoid 'break' and 'continue' at all
> > costs...
>
> Why? Why on earth should break/continue be avoided?
Because breaks and continues a
On Monday, June 24, 2013 1:02:51 PM UTC+5:30, Νίκος wrote:
> And also in my pelatologio.py and other script i use if statements to
> check if user submitted data or not so to print them on screen and then
> exit, like modularization.
>
>
>
> foe example:
>
> if( log ):
> name = log
>
On Monday, June 24, 2013 5:42:51 PM UTC+5:30, christ...@gmail.com wrote:
> Here is my code...I'm using 2.7.5
>
>
> username=raw_input("Please enter your username: ")
> password=raw_input("Please enter your password: ")
> if username == "john doe" and password == "fopwpo":
> print "Login Succ
On Monday, June 24, 2013 11:50:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> rusi writes:
>
> > I dont know what you mean my 'scripting'
>
> Any time someone has shown me a “Python script”, I don't see how it's
> different from what I'd call a “Python pro
On Monday, June 24, 2013 11:04:48 AM UTC+5:30, cutems93 wrote:
> Alright. Thanks everyone for your responses. I just want to know what tools
> are GENERALLY used by professional developers. I am helping somebody who
> wants to know about software that he might use in his project. He does not
> k
On Monday, June 24, 2013 10:07:57 AM UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 06/23/2013 07:44 PM, Νίκος wrote:
>
> > Why use mako's approach which requires 2 files(an html template and the
> > actual python script rendering the data) when i can have simple print
> > statements inside 1 files(my fil
On Monday, June 24, 2013 4:48:35 AM UTC+5:30, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 06/23/2013 02:40 PM, cutems93 wrote:
> > 1. Automated Refactoring Tools
>
> I wish.
Here's pydev [python ide in eclipse]
http://pydev.org/manual_adv_refactoring.html
Note Ive never managed to get it running!
--
http://ma
On Monday, June 24, 2013 5:58:03 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 13:40:07 -0700, cutems93 wrote:
> > What else do I need?
> You don't *need* any of these. You only *need* two things to write Python
> code: something to edit text files, and the Python interpreter to che
On Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:37:20 PM UTC+5:30, Rick Johnson wrote:
> I sorry, but FP is not going to wash our sins clean. In
> fact, if taken too seriously, FP leads to preaching
> professors, intellectually unstimulated students, and
> semesters of wasted time that could have been better spent
>
On Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:37:20 PM UTC+5:30, Rick Johnson wrote:
> > So for example, if the use-case contained a statement
> > like: In order to safeguard customer-satisfaction, the
> > ATM's performance shall not degrade beyond 3 seconds
> > response time.
> > So now - according to our methodol
On Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:25:15 AM UTC+5:30, Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Friday, June 21, 2013 9:32:43 PM UTC-5, rusi wrote:
> > So Rick... I agree with you... all these theoreticians
> > should be burnt at the stake!
> > On a more serious note: many
> > peop
On Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:34:18 AM UTC+5:30, MRAB wrote:
> Pure functional languages don't have mutables, or even variables, but
> then we're not talking about a pure functional language, we're talking
> about Python.
In which case neither do mathematicians. Do we rewrite the last 1000 years o
On Saturday, June 22, 2013 6:57:42 AM UTC+5:30, Ian wrote:
> While we're at it, I would like to petition for a function
> terminates(f, args) that I can use to determine whether a function
> will terminate before I actually call it.
I was going to say something about this -- viz that in prog. lang
On Friday, June 21, 2013 9:49:01 PM UTC+5:30, Ian wrote:
>
> The level of hospitality is already decreasing for me. That's why I'm
> speaking up.
I believe that this can be a point of unanimity -- "The level of hospitality
having gone down enough, I felt the need to speak up".
And with the imme
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