Re: New python.org website

2006-03-14 Thread Roel Schroeven
robin schreef: > "Michael Tobis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> While the new one is much better than the old website, the logo strikes >> me as awful. > As far as the layout goes, I still find it too busy. Specifically > there are too many fonts on the one page. But I have already made that > po

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-13 Thread robin
"Michael Tobis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >While the new one is much better than the old website, the logo strikes >me as awful. I personally believe the new logo is miles better than the old one. Whether you see snakes or a plus-sign or a yin-yang, it has a nice harmonious look that still captu

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-09 Thread Peter Mayne
Kay Schluehr wrote: > > This evening we talked at the Hofbraeuhaus at Munich about Michelangelo > whose sixtine chapel images where once overpainted because his figures > appeared naked "as god created them". That's why Michelangelo didn't design the new Python web site: because Google wouldn't

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-09 Thread Steven Bethard
Roy Smith wrote: > I'm OK with bold for stuff like this, but the wording could be better. The > last sentence: > > Many Python programmers report substantial productivity > gains and feel the language encourages the development of > higher quality, more maintainable code. > > r

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-09 Thread Roy Smith
msoulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I don't mind the logo or the colour scheme, but I do mind the first >paragraph in bolded text. What, you figure the readers can't figure out >how to find "What is Python?" by themselves? > >Bold should be used sparingly. This is serious overuse. I'm OK with bol

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-09 Thread msoulier
I don't mind the logo or the colour scheme, but I do mind the first paragraph in bolded text. What, you figure the readers can't figure out how to find "What is Python?" by themselves? Bold should be used sparingly. This is serious overuse. Otherwise, I like it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailma

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-09 Thread Magnus Lycka
Nicola Musatti wrote: > The obviously perfect logo would be Kaa's face: > http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/villains/kaa/kaa.html The Soviet version is better, and I think most of the Maugli movies are made before 1973, which means that they aren't copyrighted outside the former Soviet Union. (D

Alternative style sheets - Re: New python.org website

2006-03-09 Thread Magnus Lycka
Phoe6 wrote: > beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org > website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it > looks "more official" and maximum possible information about python is > now directly accessible from the home page

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-09 Thread Nicola Musatti
Michael Tobis wrote: [...] > On the other hand, (since I think the design, while not brilliant, is > good) fixing the logo is something that can be achieved without too > much fuss. The obviously perfect logo would be Kaa's face: http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/villains/kaa/kaa.html After al

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-09 Thread Doug Bromley
I much prefer the look and feel of the potential Ruby websites being developed at the moment.  The Python site is very corporate and academic which could put many early adopters off.  I'm sure you've all heard accusations that Python doesn't have the marketing drive of Ruby.  Perhaps this is an exa

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Kay Schluehr
Michael Tobis wrote: > > No one > > of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much > > better. > > Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to > notice it has bugs. > > On the other hand, (since I think the design, while not brilliant, is > good) fixin

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Michael
Kay Schluehr wrote: > Steven Bethard wrote: > >> Phoe6 wrote: >> >>> beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org >>> website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it >>> looks "more official

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Michael Tobis wrote: > > No one of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it > > much > > better. > > Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to > notice it has bugs. just wait until you mention that rottened egg you found yesterday, and all the chicke

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Thomas G. Willis
On 3/8/06, Robert Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8 Mar 2006 07:47:15 -0800, Michael Tobis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > No one> > of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much > > better.>> Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to> notice it has

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Robert Boyd
On 8 Mar 2006 07:47:15 -0800, Michael Tobis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No one > > of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much > > better. > > Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to > notice it has bugs. > > On the other hand, (since I think

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Michael Tobis
> No one > of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much > better. Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to notice it has bugs. On the other hand, (since I think the design, while not brilliant, is good) fixing the logo is something that can be ac

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Ant
I like it personally. Nice clean look and feel, and the logo is much better than the old cheesy green python. Has a more professional feel to it, which can be important if you want to use the language outside of your free time... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Thomas G. Willis
I don't necessarily like it, but I think the true test is whether a pointy haired manager type can be convinced that python can be taken seriously as a welcome addition to the programming arsenal. I think the site re-design will aid in that area more so  than  the previous one. I'm not feeling the

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Ted
Hear hear! I like it. It's not perfect but is much better than the old one in all ways. A huge improvement. Thanks to the website team. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Tim Parkin
Roy Smith wrote: >The first two links on the "News and Announcements" are dead -- they get >you a "404 File Not Found". I've opened a critical ticket on this in the >bug tracker. I see there's another ticket open already on a similar issue. > >My recommendation would be that if these can't be

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Roy Smith
The first two links on the "News and Announcements" are dead -- they get you a "404 File Not Found". I've opened a critical ticket on this in the bug tracker. I see there's another ticket open already on a similar issue. My recommendation would be that if these can't be resolved in very short

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Kay Schluehr wrote: >> The new website is to blah. It's so light colored across the whole thing >> that it kind of just melts away in my mind. Maybe giving a little color >> in the menu bar on the right would help. My experience is that white is >> a bad background color when over used. > > I agre

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Max M
Comparing: http://www.python.org/ http://www.perl.org/ http://www.java.org/ http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ http://java.sun.com/ http://www.php.net/ It is pretty easy to see that http://www.python.org/ is both prettier than the rest, and has a far better structure. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Den

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-08 Thread Max M
projecktzero wrote: > I think the new site is great. I really don't understand all the nit > picking that's going on from the armchair web designers. It's a nice site. It is not ugly, and its easy to navigate. *much* better than the old site, -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread Kay Schluehr
Steven Bethard wrote: > Phoe6 wrote: > > beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org > > website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it > > looks "more official" and maximum possible information about python is >

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread Steven Bethard
Phoe6 wrote: > beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org > website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it > looks "more official" and maximum possible information about python is > now directly accessible from the home page

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread Kay Schluehr
Michael wrote: > The new website is to blah. It's so light colored across the whole thing > that it kind of just melts away in my mind. Maybe giving a little color > in the menu bar on the right would help. My experience is that white is > a bad background color when over used. I agree. The text i

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread Michael
The new website is to blah. It's so light colored across the whole thing that it kind of just melts away in my mind. Maybe giving a little color in the menu bar on the right would help. My experience is that white is a bad background color when over used. -- Michael McGlothlin, tech monkey Tub

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread Brain Murphy
I dont know, when i went to the web site i wasent sure i was in the right place, i prefer the old web site, it (no pun intendid) said Python all over it. the logog was good and i had no trouble finding anything when i first went there. BrianMichael Tobis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While the new o

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread dimitri pater
I do like it, one thing I noticed though:http://www.python.org/doc/ has an image (batteries-included.jpg), a very nice image but it says "new V 1.6". Okay , this may not seem important, but maybe someone (the original artist?) can "update" it. regards,DimitriOn 7 Mar 2006 11:03:27 -0800, projecktze

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread projecktzero
Oops...it is live. Cool! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread projecktzero
I think the new site is great. I really don't understand all the nit picking that's going on from the armchair web designers. The new site is clean and professional. It needs to go live soon! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread Michael Tobis
While the new one is much better than the old website, the logo strikes me as awful. I tried to suggest repurposing the much better PyCon logo, but it didn't raise the vast groundswell of support I wanted it to. But for whatever its worth I'll try again. My rant is here: http://tinyurl.com/rkq3s

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-07 Thread Nicola Musatti
Phoe6 wrote: > beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org > website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it > looks "more official" and maximum possible information about python is > now directly accessible from the home p

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-06 Thread Ian Parker
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phoe6 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org >website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it >looks "more official" and maximum possible informatio

Re: New python.org website

2006-03-06 Thread mwt
Wow. That does look fantastic. Thumbs up! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

New python.org website

2006-03-06 Thread Phoe6
beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it looks "more official" and maximum possible information about python is now directly accessible from the home page itself. Kudoes to the d

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-02-05 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Chris Ditze-Stephan wrote: > > http://pydotorg.dyndns.org:8000 > Have access-problem. > It's dnynds.org. no, it's dyndns.org. did you make that typo in the browser too ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-02-05 Thread Chris Ditze-Stephan
Hi Fredrik Lundh schrieb: > > > > If you build it, they will come. > > > > http://pydotorg.dyndns.org:8000 Have access-problem. It's dnynds.org. Perhabs not everytime Online? bye Chris Ditze-Stephan > > ___ Chris Ditze-Stephan Zentric -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-02-05 Thread Fredrik Lundh
> > If you build it, they will come. > http://pydotorg.dyndns.org:8000 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-24 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Aahz wrote: > >I think I mentioned this in an earlier post; simply adding a special SideBar > >link list at the top of a page should be good enough > > > > SideBar: > > * [link title] > > * [link title] > > * [link title] > > > > > > Hrm. So you're suggesting that each page have a ma

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-24 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Aahz wrote: >>Fredrik: >>> >>>the sample site contains ~600 pages. each page has been automatically >>>translated from python.org sources to moinmoin markup, and then stored >>>in a moinmoin 1.5 instance. a separate compone

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-24 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Gerhard Häring wrote: > > the sample site contains ~600 pages. each page has been automatically > > translated from python.org sources to moinmoin markup, and then stored > > in a moinmoin 1.5 instance. a separate component has then extracted the > > pages from moinmoin, and converted them XHTML

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-24 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Aahz wrote: > >the sample site contains ~600 pages. each page has been automatically > >translated from python.org sources to moinmoin markup, and then stored > >in a moinmoin 1.5 instance. a separate component has then extracted the > >pages from moinmoin, and converted them XHTML fragments for

Re: Who is www.python.org for? (was Re: New Python.org website ?)

2006-01-23 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:43:45 -0600, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For me, the most important function of the python.org site > is as a quick-reference to deeper documentation that I > actually need in the process of writing Python code. docs.python.org is probably the site mo

Re: Who is www.python.org for? (was Re: New Python.org website ?)

2006-01-23 Thread Magnus Lycka
Roy Smith wrote: > For the most part, I agree with Terry; I want a site that gives me the info > I need without any fluff getting in the way. But, at the same time, I > realize that there is a need for marketing to suits. I'll leave layout to others, but content-wise, I don't think this is very

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-23 Thread Sibylle Koczian
Tony Meyer schrieb: >>> But sheesh, if I objected to every picture of the moon I >>> see (or pictures that vaguely resemble a moon), I would be >>> in a very sad state. >> >> >> But you see Terry, the point is not that it is just a picture. And >> let's not forget that as far as we know the moon ha

Re: Who is www.python.org for? (was Re: New Python.org website ?)

2006-01-23 Thread Tim Parkin
Terry Hancock wrote: > On 22 Jan 2006 14:18:18 -0800 > *I* don't want a "slick brochure" for Python as the website. > > For all the commercial value in Python (and there is plenty, > I am sure), it's not Java, and I don't want it to be. I'm > cool with suits loving it too, but I don't want to hav

Re: Who is www.python.org for? (was Re: New Python.org website ?)

2006-01-22 Thread Roy Smith
Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For all the commercial value in Python (and there is plenty, > I am sure), it's not Java, and I don't want it to be. I'm > cool with suits loving it too, but I don't want to have to > put on a suit to play. Python is an absolutely top-notch > free softwar

Re: Who is www.python.org for? (was Re: New Python.org website ?)

2006-01-22 Thread Bryan
Aahz wrote: > The idea is that we make www.python.org even more minimal than the > current beta.python.org; it becomes a portal similar in simplicity to > google.com (with a bit more explanation). It would lead off to > subdomains such as business.python.org, tech.python.org, help.python.org, > a

Re: Who is www.python.org for? (was Re: New Python.org website ?)

2006-01-22 Thread Terry Hancock
On 22 Jan 2006 14:18:18 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: > The idea is that we make www.python.org even more minimal > than the current beta.python.org; it becomes a portal > similar in simplicity to google.com (with a bit more > explanation). It would lead off to subdomains such as > busines

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Tim Parkin
Fredrik Lundh wrote: >Tim Parkin wrote: > > > >>It sounds very similar to what we have already built!! What we have also >>parses yaml files, rest files, inline rest content, has special >>renderers for navigation and breadcrumbs and handles cacheing of built >>data to speed generation. >> >

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >for the curious, I've found a few more spare 15-minute slots, and a more >extensive (but still rough) translation is available here: > >http://effbot.org/pydotorg/ > >the sample site contains ~600 pages. each page has

Who is www.python.org for? (was Re: New Python.org website ?)

2006-01-22 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Agreed. The main page should be like a slick book cover. It should grab >you and leave you wanting more. I think the beta page does that pretty >well. > > [...] > >Of course, I'm a minimalist. I understand techy types want the d

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Paul Boddie
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > for the curious, I've found a few more spare 15-minute slots, and a more > extensive (but still rough) translation is available here: > > http://effbot.org/pydotorg/ I've also been messing around with different content sources, and the results can be viewed here: http

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-22 Thread Tony Meyer
>> But sheesh, if I objected to every picture of the moon I >> see (or pictures that vaguely resemble a moon), I would be >> in a very sad state. > > But you see Terry, the point is not that it is just a picture. And > let's not forget that as far as we know the moon has always been a > natural par

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Tim Parkin wrote: > It sounds very similar to what we have already built!! What we have also > parses yaml files, rest files, inline rest content, has special > renderers for navigation and breadcrumbs and handles cacheing of built > data to speed generation. except that it isn't: you're talking

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Tim Parkin
Gerhard Häring wrote: > > The other part of my experiment was a stupid build system that > recursively looks for KID files in a directory tree and renders them to > HTML. > > My idea is that for each KID file there would be a corresponding > content.xml file that would come from the MoinMoin dump-

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Shalabh Chaturvedi
Fredrik Lundh wrote: If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki. >>> Exactly. >> I don't really have time for this tonight, and I've spent more time copying >> and pasting stuff than working on the

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Adrian Holovaty
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > (or maybe the entire site should be a run via a web framework with good > support for caching, such as > > http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/cache/ > > any django hackers around with some cycles to spare ? ) Yeah, I or other Django folks would be quite happy to

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Gerhard Häring
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've also done some experimentation this weekend, and my solution would be based on MoinMoin and KID. Fredrik Lundh wrote: > [...] and a more > extensive (but still rough) translation is available here: > > http://effbot.org/pydotorg/ > > the s

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Gerhard Häring
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Parkin wrote: > [...] Thanks for installing pyramid! Can > you give me any feedback on what parts of the install process were > painful.. There was nothing particularly painful. I tried to avoid having to install everything manually and to use th

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Fredrik Lundh
> > > If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement > > > something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki. > > > > Exactly. > > I don't really have time for this tonight, and I've spent more time copying > and pasting stuff than working on the converter, but

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-22 Thread Steve Holden
Obaid R. wrote: > Terry Hancock wrote: > >>On 18 Jan 2006 18:05:18 -0800 >>"Obaid R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>I hope it is not counted against me that I am the first >>>one to point out that the logo is shaped like a cross. >> >>[...] >> >>Hey, looks more like a Yin-Yang symbol to me. ;-)

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-22 Thread Tim Parkin
� wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > >>>Tim Golden wrote: >>> >>> [Steve Holden] | https://svn.python.org/www/trunk/beta.python.org | but I don't know whether anonymous access is enabled. Maybe you can let |me know ... Doesn't look like it. Asking me for authen

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-22 Thread Obaid R.
Terry Hancock wrote: > On 18 Jan 2006 18:05:18 -0800 > "Obaid R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I hope it is not counted against me that I am the first > > one to point out that the logo is shaped like a cross. > [...] > > Hey, looks more like a Yin-Yang symbol to me. ;-) True. But I hope you ar

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-21 Thread Gerhard Häring
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Holden wrote: > Tim Golden wrote: > >>[Steve Holden] >> >>| https://svn.python.org/www/trunk/beta.python.org >> >>| but I don't know whether anonymous access is enabled. Maybe you can >>let >> |me know ... >> >>Doesn't look like it. Asking me

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread sszmidt
Hmm, it's rather obvious that the first thing the eye should be attracted to should be what the page is about. Something that represents the site. Just like the first thing you see on a playboy mag is skin. The stories are just added bonus. By printing up different layout pages, and then flas

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-19 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:58:27 -0600 in comp.lang.python, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >At worst, the cross might be a reference to "The Spanish >Inquisition", which anyone who knows anything about Python >should know is topical. Perhaps, but they wouldn't expect it... Regards,

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > The renderer/template engine can deal with that. > > Um... yeah, but how? We can group pages into folders ('Doc/whatever', > 'SuccessStories/Whatever'), and then say it'll retrieve 'Doc/Sidebar' > for the sidebar. But how could a particular page add more stuff to > the s

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Markus Wankus
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Markus Wankus wrote: > >> Well I happen to agree whole-heartedly with Tim on that one. I can't >> stand trying to navigate some of these Wiki-trying-to-be-website pages. >> It is impossible to find anything on most of them (notice I didn't say >> all..there are exceptions)

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement > > something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki. > > Exactly. I don't really have time for this tonight, and I've spent more time copying and pasting stuff than working on the conve

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:20:37 +0100, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd prefer a separate wiki (at least initially). Do we have enough > admin resources to set up an 1.5 instance ? I doubt it's practical to run 1.3 alongside 1.5. python.org uses mod_python, so unless the Moin

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-19 Thread Terry Hancock
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:02:52 - "Richard Brodie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not only is there a Red Star of David but it has been > causing great controversy for years in the ICRC. Google > "Red Crystal", or check Wikipedia for the story. At least, > it had some kind of resolution. "Like, OM

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Magnus Lycka
Roel Schroeven wrote: > - The header is too empty. Maybe "The Official Python Programming > Language Website" should be there instead of under it. (I also think > that title should be shorter, maybe something simply like "The Python > Programming Language" I also think that grey header area is

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Gerhard Häring wrote: > I agree with /F that through-the-web editing would make it more likely > to get more people on board and get the conversion done in time. Plus it > would make maintanance easier once the beta from beta.python.org has > been removed. > > If I see this correctly, Fredrik woul

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement > > something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki. > > First question I have: which wiki? Does this go into the existing > Python wiki, or into a fresh new wiki that contains *only* >

Re: The Python cross? Was New Python.org website

2006-01-19 Thread Robert Boyd
On 1/18/06, Paul McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looks like a plus sign to me, evoking the idea of "incremental improvement". > A cross (as in Christian symbol) really has an elongated leg to the bottom. > But it most closely resembles two snakes (see the little eyes > at the top and bottom?)

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-19 Thread Richard Brodie
"Terry Hancock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > There is no "Red Yin Yang", "Red Eightfold Path", "Red Star > of David" or "Red Serpent and Rainbow" to my knowledge, and > it would be incredibly stupid for there to be any such. Not only is there a Red Star of David

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:34:21 +0100, Gerhard Häring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement > something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki. First question I have: which wiki? Does this go into the existing Pyt

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread skip
>> I'm assured that in print ads the only "content" anyone reads is in >> picture captions, and you damn well better make sure your message is >> conveyed there. Any other "content" only wastes space. I see no >> reason to think that a web page should be designed using any other

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-19 Thread Terry Hancock
On 18 Jan 2006 18:05:18 -0800 "Obaid R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope it is not counted against me that I am the first > one to point out that the logo is shaped like a cross. [...] Hey, looks more like a Yin-Yang symbol to me. ;-) > And why ask with any trepidation, Steve? People of > dif

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Gerhard Häring
Tim Parkin wrote: > Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > >>>Good and congratulations, it shows that the source code is well >>>formatted/consistent - I wish the rest of the website html/data were so. >>>If you are suggesting that your skills can do this with the rest of the >>>site content then please, pleas

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Tim Parkin
Fredrik Lundh wrote: >>Good and congratulations, it shows that the source code is well >>formatted/consistent - I wish the rest of the website html/data were so. >>If you are suggesting that your skills can do this with the rest of the >>site content then please, please help!! >> >>In fact I will

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Tim Parkin wrote: > >you're complaining about the lack of manpower, and still think that lowering > >the threshold for contributions is not a priority ? at this point, this > >should > >be your *only* priority. > > If you want to contribute, then do so... so make it easy to contribute. I'm sur

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Tim Parkin
Fredrik Lundh wrote: >Steve Holden wrote > > > >>As you indicated, there are other priorities just at the moment. >> >> > >you're complaining about the lack of manpower, and still think that lowering >the threshold for contributions is not a priority ? at this point, this should >be your *o

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Markus Wankus wrote: > Well I happen to agree whole-heartedly with Tim on that one. I can't > stand trying to navigate some of these Wiki-trying-to-be-website pages. > It is impossible to find anything on most of them (notice I didn't say > all..there are exceptions). It seems like they cater t

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Markus Wankus
If you build it, they will come. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Markus Wankus
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Tim Parkin wrote: > >> How about designing a website and showing us what you think would be a >> good idea? Or suggesting some way of managing all of the content and >> building the system. > > I think I just did that: > > the easiest way to get there would be to use

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Steve Holden wrote > > >>As you indicated, there are other priorities just at the moment. > > > you're complaining about the lack of manpower, and still think that lowering > the threshold for contributions is not a priority ? at this point, this > should > be your *onl

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Steve Holden wrote > As you indicated, there are other priorities just at the moment. you're complaining about the lack of manpower, and still think that lowering the threshold for contributions is not a priority ? at this point, this should be your *only* priority. I mean, getting this from a

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-19 Thread Magnus Lycka
Steve Holden wrote: > The trepidation was accounted for solely by a concern that Python would > become involved in any kind of religious controversy, or that someone of > extreme views might claim that Python was associated with, or against, a > particular religious belief. I'm sure there are a

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Steve Holden
Tim Parkin wrote: > Fredrik Lundh wrote: [various stuff] > It would be apparent to you if you'd read around (even within this list) > that the website is ultimately intended to have 'through the web' > editing tools. You'd also know that one of the biggest acheivements so > far is the separation of

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Tim Parkin wrote: > How about designing a website and showing us what you think would be a > good idea? Or suggesting some way of managing all of the content and > building the system. I think I just did that: the easiest way to get there would be to use a MoinMoin instance to main- tai

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Tim Parkin
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > >>This critique is all very well, but it tends to rely rather heavily on >>the words "I think". You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but >>please don't think that this new design was created on a whim. > > > you keep saying that, but whene

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Tim Parkin
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > What puzzles me (and scares me) is that some people seem to think that > anyone would go to python.org and expect a corporate fluff site. > > It's like when I asked a "suit" friend with long industry experience to check > the python marketing list; his spontaneous reaction a

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Steve Holden wrote: > This critique is all very well, but it tends to rely rather heavily on > the words "I think". You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but > please don't think that this new design was created on a whim. you keep saying that, but whenever the analysis that led up to the

Re: New Python.org website?

2006-01-19 Thread Steve Holden
Obaid R. wrote: > Steve Holden: > > >>The history of this choice is lost in the mists of time. Many other >>proposals were made and discussed at around the same time, to the extent >>that it became clear no one choice could win universal approval. >> >>You are the first person to my knowledge to

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Brian van den Broek
Steve Holden said unto the world upon 11/01/06 04:44 AM: > http://beta.python.org A few minor points about the design: The "Using Python for . . ." for section on the right is expectation violating in several ways: 1) Each two lines have 3 separate links, but all go to the same place. Much bet

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Tim Parkin wrote: > > the design is alright (if a bit too "bland business"), but the little I've > > seen of the > > information architecture and the backend infrastructure feels like 1998 > > (which, > > I suppose, was when the project started...) > > Could you expand on why the backend infrast

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