Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset a5247ea950d5 by Benjamin Peterson in branch '3.4':
merge 3.3 (#20695)
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/a5247ea950d5
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: 211679
nosy: ericnaeseth
priority: normal
severity: normal
status: open
title: test_urllibnet.urlretrieveNetworkTests fails due to new python.org
website
type: compile error
versions: Python 3.3
Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file34150/python-3.3.4-urllibnet-failure.txt
Eric Naeseth added the comment:
In addition, the test_reporthook and test_data_header tests try to retrieve a
Python logo image from
http://www.python.org/community/logos/python-logo-master-v3-TM.png. That is now
a 404.
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New changeset 0199bff14c5c by Benjamin Peterson in branch '2.7':
update logo url (#20695)
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/0199bff14c5c
New changeset d4b9692ac75f by Benjamin Peterson in branch '3.1':
update logo url (#20695)
Changes by Benjamin Peterson bp+pyb...@benjamin-peterson.org:
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robin schreef:
Michael Tobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While the new one is much better than the old website, the logo strikes
me as awful.
As far as the layout goes, I still find it too busy. Specifically
there are too many fonts on the one page. But I have already made that
point, and did
Michael Tobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While the new one is much better than the old website, the logo strikes
me as awful.
I personally believe the new logo is miles better than the old one.
Whether you see snakes or a plus-sign or a yin-yang, it has a nice
harmonious look that still captures
I much prefer the look and feel of the potential Ruby websites being developed at the moment. The Python site is very corporate and academic which could put many early adopters off. I'm sure you've all heard accusations that Python doesn't have the marketing drive of Ruby. Perhaps this is an
Michael Tobis wrote:
[...]
On the other hand, (since I think the design, while not brilliant, is
good) fixing the logo is something that can be achieved without too
much fuss.
The obviously perfect logo would be Kaa's face:
http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/villains/kaa/kaa.html
After all
Phoe6 wrote:
beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks more official and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible from the home page itself. Kudoes
Nicola Musatti wrote:
The obviously perfect logo would be Kaa's face:
http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/villains/kaa/kaa.html
The Soviet version is better, and I think most of the
Maugli movies are made before 1973, which means that
they aren't copyrighted outside the former Soviet Union.
I don't mind the logo or the colour scheme, but I do mind the first
paragraph in bolded text. What, you figure the readers can't figure out
how to find What is Python? by themselves?
Bold should be used sparingly. This is serious overuse.
Otherwise, I like it.
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msoulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't mind the logo or the colour scheme, but I do mind the first
paragraph in bolded text. What, you figure the readers can't figure out
how to find What is Python? by themselves?
Bold should be used sparingly. This is serious overuse.
I'm OK with bold for
Roy Smith wrote:
I'm OK with bold for stuff like this, but the wording could be better. The
last sentence:
Many Python programmers report substantial productivity
gains and feel the language encourages the development of
higher quality, more maintainable code.
reads
Kay Schluehr wrote:
This evening we talked at the Hofbraeuhaus at Munich about Michelangelo
whose sixtine chapel images where once overpainted because his figures
appeared naked as god created them.
That's why Michelangelo didn't design the new Python web site: because
Google wouldn't
projecktzero wrote:
I think the new site is great. I really don't understand all the nit
picking that's going on from the armchair web designers.
It's a nice site. It is not ugly, and its easy to navigate.
*much* better than the old site,
--
hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark
Comparing:
http://www.python.org/
http://www.perl.org/
http://www.java.org/
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
http://java.sun.com/
http://www.php.net/
It is pretty easy to see that http://www.python.org/ is both prettier
than the rest, and has a far better structure.
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hilsen/regards Max M,
Kay Schluehr wrote:
The new website is to blah. It's so light colored across the whole thing
that it kind of just melts away in my mind. Maybe giving a little color
in the menu bar on the right would help. My experience is that white is
a bad background color when over used.
I agree. The
The first two links on the News and Announcements are dead -- they get
you a 404 File Not Found. I've opened a critical ticket on this in the
bug tracker. I see there's another ticket open already on a similar issue.
My recommendation would be that if these can't be resolved in very short
Roy Smith wrote:
The first two links on the News and Announcements are dead -- they get
you a 404 File Not Found. I've opened a critical ticket on this in the
bug tracker. I see there's another ticket open already on a similar issue.
My recommendation would be that if these can't be resolved
Hear hear!
I like it. It's not perfect but is much better than the old one in all
ways. A huge improvement.
Thanks to the website team.
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I don't necessarily like it, but I think the true test is whether a pointy haired manager type can be convinced that python can be taken seriously as a welcome addition to the programming arsenal. I think the site re-design will aid in that area more so than the previous one.
I'm not feeling the
I like it personally. Nice clean look and feel, and the logo is much
better than the old cheesy green python. Has a more professional feel
to it, which can be important if you want to use the language outside
of your free time...
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No one
of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much
better.
Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to
notice it has bugs.
On the other hand, (since I think the design, while not brilliant, is
good) fixing the logo is something that can be
On 8 Mar 2006 07:47:15 -0800, Michael Tobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No one
of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much
better.
Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to
notice it has bugs.
On the other hand, (since I think the design,
On 3/8/06, Robert Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8 Mar 2006 07:47:15 -0800, Michael Tobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much
better. Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to notice it has bugs. On
Michael Tobis wrote:
No one of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it
much
better.
Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to
notice it has bugs.
just wait until you mention that rottened egg you found yesterday, and
all the chickens in
Kay Schluehr wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
Phoe6 wrote:
beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks more official and maximum possible information about python is
now directly
Michael Tobis wrote:
No one
of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much
better.
Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to
notice it has bugs.
On the other hand, (since I think the design, while not brilliant, is
good) fixing the logo
Phoe6 wrote:
beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks more official and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible from the home page itself. Kudoes
While the new one is much better than the old website, the logo strikes
me as awful.
I tried to suggest repurposing the much better PyCon logo, but it
didn't raise the vast groundswell of support I wanted it to. But for
whatever its worth I'll try again. My rant is here:
http://tinyurl.com/rkq3s
I think the new site is great. I really don't understand all the nit
picking that's going on from the armchair web designers. The new site
is clean and professional. It needs to go live soon!
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Oops...it is live. Cool!
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I do like it, one thing I noticed though:http://www.python.org/doc/ has an image (batteries-included.jpg), a very nice image but it says new V 1.6. Okay , this may not seem important, but maybe someone (the original artist?) can update it.
regards,DimitriOn 7 Mar 2006 11:03:27 -0800, projecktzero
I dont know, when i went to the web site i wasent sure i was in the right place, i prefer the old web site, it (no pun intendid) said Python all over it. the logog was good and i had no trouble finding anything when i first went there. BrianMichael Tobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the new
The new website is to blah. It's so light colored across the whole thing
that it kind of just melts away in my mind. Maybe giving a little color
in the menu bar on the right would help. My experience is that white is
a bad background color when over used.
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Michael wrote:
The new website is to blah. It's so light colored across the whole thing
that it kind of just melts away in my mind. Maybe giving a little color
in the menu bar on the right would help. My experience is that white is
a bad background color when over used.
I agree. The text is
Phoe6 wrote:
beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks more official and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible from the home page itself. Kudoes
Steven Bethard wrote:
Phoe6 wrote:
beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks more official and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible from the home page
beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks more official and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible from the home page itself. Kudoes to the
design team.
Senthil
Wow. That does look fantastic. Thumbs up!
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Phoe6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks more official and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible
whisper
If you build it, they will come.
/whisper
http://pydotorg.dyndns.org:8000
/F
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Hi
Fredrik Lundh schrieb:
whisper
If you build it, they will come.
/whisper
http://pydotorg.dyndns.org:8000
Have access-problem.
It's dnynds.org.
Perhabs not everytime Online?
bye
Chris Ditze-Stephan
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http://pydotorg.dyndns.org:8000
Have access-problem.
It's dnynds.org.
no, it's dyndns.org. did you make that typo in the browser too ?
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Aahz wrote:
the sample site contains ~600 pages. each page has been automatically
translated from python.org sources to moinmoin markup, and then stored
in a moinmoin 1.5 instance. a separate component has then extracted the
pages from moinmoin, and converted them XHTML fragments for
Gerhard Häring wrote:
the sample site contains ~600 pages. each page has been automatically
translated from python.org sources to moinmoin markup, and then stored
in a moinmoin 1.5 instance. a separate component has then extracted the
pages from moinmoin, and converted them XHTML
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aahz wrote:
Fredrik:
the sample site contains ~600 pages. each page has been automatically
translated from python.org sources to moinmoin markup, and then stored
in a moinmoin 1.5 instance. a separate component has then
Aahz wrote:
I think I mentioned this in an earlier post; simply adding a special SideBar
link list at the top of a page should be good enough
SideBar: side bar title
* [link title]
* [link title]
* [link title]
rest of page
Hrm. So you're suggesting that each page
Terry Hancock wrote:
On 22 Jan 2006 14:18:18 -0800
*I* don't want a slick brochure for Python as the website.
For all the commercial value in Python (and there is plenty,
I am sure), it's not Java, and I don't want it to be. I'm
cool with suits loving it too, but I don't want to have to
Tony Meyer schrieb:
But sheesh, if I objected to every picture of the moon I
see (or pictures that vaguely resemble a moon), I would be
in a very sad state.
But you see Terry, the point is not that it is just a picture. And
let's not forget that as far as we know the moon has always been a
Roy Smith wrote:
For the most part, I agree with Terry; I want a site that gives me the info
I need without any fluff getting in the way. But, at the same time, I
realize that there is a need for marketing to suits.
I'll leave layout to others, but content-wise, I don't think this
is very
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:43:45 -0600,
Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For me, the most important function of the python.org site
is as a quick-reference to deeper documentation that I
actually need in the process of writing Python code.
docs.python.org is probably the site most
Terry Hancock wrote:
On 18 Jan 2006 18:05:18 -0800
Obaid R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope it is not counted against me that I am the first
one to point out that the logo is shaped like a cross.
[...]
Hey, looks more like a Yin-Yang symbol to me. ;-)
True. But I hope you are not
� wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
Tim Golden wrote:
[Steve Holden]
| https://svn.python.org/www/trunk/beta.python.org
| but I don't know whether anonymous access is enabled. Maybe you can
let
|me know ...
Doesn't look like it. Asking me for authentication.
I've finally gotten to install
Obaid R. wrote:
Terry Hancock wrote:
On 18 Jan 2006 18:05:18 -0800
Obaid R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope it is not counted against me that I am the first
one to point out that the logo is shaped like a cross.
[...]
Hey, looks more like a Yin-Yang symbol to me. ;-)
True. But I hope
If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement
something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki.
Exactly.
I don't really have time for this tonight, and I've spent more time copying
and pasting stuff than working on the converter, but I've posted
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Tim Parkin wrote:
[...] Thanks for installing pyramid! Can
you give me any feedback on what parts of the install process were
painful..
There was nothing particularly painful.
I tried to avoid having to install everything manually and to use the
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I've also done some experimentation this weekend, and my solution would
be based on MoinMoin and KID.
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
[...] and a more
extensive (but still rough) translation is available here:
http://effbot.org/pydotorg/
the sample
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
(or maybe the entire site should be a run via a web framework with good
support for caching, such as
http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/cache/
any django hackers around with some cycles to spare ? )
Yeah, I or other Django folks would be quite happy to set
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement
something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki.
Exactly.
I don't really have time for this tonight, and I've spent more time copying
and pasting stuff than working on the converter,
Gerhard Häring wrote:
The other part of my experiment was a stupid build system that
recursively looks for KID files in a directory tree and renders them to
HTML.
My idea is that for each KID file there would be a corresponding
content.xml file that would come from the MoinMoin
Tim Parkin wrote:
It sounds very similar to what we have already built!! What we have also
parses yaml files, rest files, inline rest content, has special
renderers for navigation and breadcrumbs and handles cacheing of built
data to speed generation.
except that it isn't: you're talking
But sheesh, if I objected to every picture of the moon I
see (or pictures that vaguely resemble a moon), I would be
in a very sad state.
But you see Terry, the point is not that it is just a picture. And
let's not forget that as far as we know the moon has always been a
natural part of all
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
for the curious, I've found a few more spare 15-minute slots, and a more
extensive (but still rough) translation is available here:
http://effbot.org/pydotorg/
I've also been messing around with different content sources, and the
results can be viewed here:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agreed. The main page should be like a slick book cover. It should grab
you and leave you wanting more. I think the beta page does that pretty
well.
[...]
Of course, I'm a minimalist. I understand techy types want the details,
but
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for the curious, I've found a few more spare 15-minute slots, and a more
extensive (but still rough) translation is available here:
http://effbot.org/pydotorg/
the sample site contains ~600 pages. each page has been
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Tim Parkin wrote:
It sounds very similar to what we have already built!! What we have also
parses yaml files, rest files, inline rest content, has special
renderers for navigation and breadcrumbs and handles cacheing of built
data to speed generation.
except that
On 22 Jan 2006 14:18:18 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote:
The idea is that we make www.python.org even more minimal
than the current beta.python.org; it becomes a portal
similar in simplicity to google.com (with a bit more
explanation). It would lead off to subdomains such as
Aahz wrote:
The idea is that we make www.python.org even more minimal than the
current beta.python.org; it becomes a portal similar in simplicity to
google.com (with a bit more explanation). It would lead off to
subdomains such as business.python.org, tech.python.org, help.python.org,
and
Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For all the commercial value in Python (and there is plenty,
I am sure), it's not Java, and I don't want it to be. I'm
cool with suits loving it too, but I don't want to have to
put on a suit to play. Python is an absolutely top-notch
free software
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Steve Holden wrote:
Tim Golden wrote:
[Steve Holden]
| https://svn.python.org/www/trunk/beta.python.org
| but I don't know whether anonymous access is enabled. Maybe you can
let
|me know ...
Doesn't look like it. Asking me for authentication.
Shalabh Chaturvedi wrote:
Tim the Taller (I presume he's taller; he's Dutch) and the other critics
fail to realize is that no one reads content.
I disagree completely. I wouldn't touch a new language or technology
without first reading content. Neither would my boss, or any other
manager
JW wrote:
I don't agree. I read websites in search for information (content), not to
find advertisements.
Yes, and I read Playboy for the interviews ;)
if you want the glossy stuff, go to python.com.
In another post, you mention http://www.joelonsoftware.com/ which appears
to be some
Shalabh Chaturvedi wrote:
Tim Parkin wrote:
Well apart from the front page and a couple of pages providing content
specific to different types of usersm the whole site is the same as it
was before. Do you have a problem with marketing python or with the
content of the python site? Could you
Tim Parkin wrote:
the design is alright (if a bit too bland business), but the little I've
seen of the
information architecture and the backend infrastructure feels like 1998
(which,
I suppose, was when the project started...)
Could you expand on why the backend infrastructure and
Steve Holden said unto the world upon 11/01/06 04:44 AM:
http://beta.python.org
A few minor points about the design:
The Using Python for . . . for section on the right is expectation
violating in several ways:
1) Each two lines have 3 separate links, but all go to the same place.
Much
Obaid R. wrote:
Steve Holden:
The history of this choice is lost in the mists of time. Many other
proposals were made and discussed at around the same time, to the extent
that it became clear no one choice could win universal approval.
You are the first person to my knowledge to point out
Steve Holden wrote:
This critique is all very well, but it tends to rely rather heavily on
the words I think. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but
please don't think that this new design was created on a whim.
you keep saying that, but whenever the analysis that led up to the
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
What puzzles me (and scares me) is that some people seem to think that
anyone would go to python.org and expect a corporate fluff site.
It's like when I asked a suit friend with long industry experience to check
the python marketing list; his spontaneous reaction after
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
This critique is all very well, but it tends to rely rather heavily on
the words I think. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but
please don't think that this new design was created on a whim.
you keep saying that, but whenever the
Tim Parkin wrote:
How about designing a website and showing us what you think would be a
good idea? Or suggesting some way of managing all of the content and
building the system.
I think I just did that:
the easiest way to get there would be to use a MoinMoin instance to main-
tain
Tim Parkin wrote:
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
[various stuff]
It would be apparent to you if you'd read around (even within this list)
that the website is ultimately intended to have 'through the web'
editing tools. You'd also know that one of the biggest acheivements so
far is the separation of
Steve Holden wrote:
The trepidation was accounted for solely by a concern that Python would
become involved in any kind of religious controversy, or that someone of
extreme views might claim that Python was associated with, or against, a
particular religious belief.
I'm sure there are a
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Steve Holden wrote
As you indicated, there are other priorities just at the moment.
you're complaining about the lack of manpower, and still think that lowering
the threshold for contributions is not a priority ? at this point, this
should
be your *only*
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Tim Parkin wrote:
How about designing a website and showing us what you think would be a
good idea? Or suggesting some way of managing all of the content and
building the system.
I think I just did that:
the easiest way to get there would be to use a MoinMoin
whisper
If you build it, they will come.
/whisper
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Markus Wankus wrote:
Well I happen to agree whole-heartedly with Tim on that one. I can't
stand trying to navigate some of these Wiki-trying-to-be-website pages.
It is impossible to find anything on most of them (notice I didn't say
all..there are exceptions). It seems like they cater to
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Steve Holden wrote
As you indicated, there are other priorities just at the moment.
you're complaining about the lack of manpower, and still think that lowering
the threshold for contributions is not a priority ? at this point, this should
be your *only*
Tim Parkin wrote:
you're complaining about the lack of manpower, and still think that lowering
the threshold for contributions is not a priority ? at this point, this
should
be your *only* priority.
If you want to contribute, then do so...
so make it easy to contribute. I'm sure the
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Good and congratulations, it shows that the source code is well
formatted/consistent - I wish the rest of the website html/data were so.
If you are suggesting that your skills can do this with the rest of the
site content then please, please help!!
In fact I will ask you
Tim Parkin wrote:
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Good and congratulations, it shows that the source code is well
formatted/consistent - I wish the rest of the website html/data were so.
If you are suggesting that your skills can do this with the rest of the
site content then please, please help!!
In
On 18 Jan 2006 18:05:18 -0800
Obaid R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope it is not counted against me that I am the first
one to point out that the logo is shaped like a cross.
[...]
Hey, looks more like a Yin-Yang symbol to me. ;-)
And why ask with any trepidation, Steve? People of
different
I'm assured that in print ads the only content anyone reads is in
picture captions, and you damn well better make sure your message is
conveyed there. Any other content only wastes space. I see no
reason to think that a web page should be designed using any other
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:34:21 +0100,
Gerhard Häring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement
something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki.
First question I have: which wiki? Does this go into the existing
Python
Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is no Red Yin Yang, Red Eightfold Path, Red Star
of David or Red Serpent and Rainbow to my knowledge, and
it would be incredibly stupid for there to be any such.
Not only is there a Red Star of David but it has
On 1/18/06, Paul McGuire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like a plus sign to me, evoking the idea of incremental improvement.
A cross (as in Christian symbol) really has an elongated leg to the bottom.
But it most closely resembles two snakes (see the little eyes
at the top and bottom?),
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement
something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki.
First question I have: which wiki? Does this go into the existing
Python wiki, or into a fresh new wiki that contains *only*
Gerhard Häring wrote:
I agree with /F that through-the-web editing would make it more likely
to get more people on board and get the conversion done in time. Plus it
would make maintanance easier once the beta from beta.python.org has
been removed.
If I see this correctly, Fredrik would
Roel Schroeven wrote:
- The header is too empty. Maybe The Official Python Programming
Language Website should be there instead of under it. (I also think
that title should be shorter, maybe something simply like The Python
Programming Language
I also think that grey header area is wasting
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