On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:13:33 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
Last week, Elad Maidar wrote a fairly short but readable opinion
piece[0] illustrating some long-standing social problems in the Ruby
community,
[...]
Well, this has been a big disappointment. The author of this post, Owen
Jacobson,
On 18/10/2013 02:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Because it was tedious, repetitive work, and because most of the men were
over in Europe getting shot at, nearly all of the computers at Bletchly
Park were women. The actual mechanical computing devices were called
bombes, I kid you not.
What
On 18/10/2013 04:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:16:24 -0700, Roy Smith wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a mailing list for a language named after a
snake,
Am 17.10.2013 18:16, schrieb Roy Smith:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico
wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a mailing list for a language named after a
snake, especially by a guy who claims to prefer an language named
I think we should follow the lead of the radio and TV industry, and let the
FCC decide what's acceptable. On second thought, that won't work - they
would let therapist through, and as we all know, that has a double
meaning.
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 4:57 AM, ishish ish...@domhain.de wrote:
Am
Strangely I have never seen sexism on python nor on ruby and the
stangest thing is that this subject seems to make more speach than how
think algorithm in python -_-'
Regards
Bob Hartwig bobje...@gmail.com writes:
I think we should follow the lead of the radio and TV industry, and let the
On 2013-10-18 04:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:16:24 -0700, Roy Smith wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a mailing list for a language named after a
snake,
On 2013-10-18 05:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:16:24 -0700, Roy Smith wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be
(I forgot to reply to all, so I'm adding python-list in cc back).
Strangely I have never seen sexism on python nor on ruby and the
stangest thing is that this subject seems to make more speach than how
think algorithm in python -_-'
If you have any doubt sexisms exists in the ruby
Am 18.10.2013 15:09, schrieb Robert Kern:
On 2013-10-18 05:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:16:24 -0700, Roy Smith wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris
On 17 Oct 2013 05:48:10 GMT, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:22:47 -0400, random832 wrote:
While this flippant usage of Nazi (based on, as I understand it,
Seinfeld's soup nazi) may be offensive, it has nothing to do with
sexism. If the scope of this
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:13:33 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
Last week, Elad Maidar wrote a fairly short but readable opinion
piece[0] illustrating some long-standing social problems in the Ruby
community, ending with a very specific call to action around naming
conventions for Ruby projects and
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
[...]
2. What kind of social pressure can we bring to bear to _keep_ Python's
package naming conventions as socially neutral as they are, if and when
some high-profile dirtbag decides this language is the best language?
How can we
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:30 PM, mar...@python.net wrote:
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
[...]
2. What kind of social pressure can we bring to bear to _keep_ Python's
package naming conventions as socially neutral as they are, if and when
some high-profile dirtbag
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:44:01 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
[...]
Nazis, while they were an awful oppressive influence in society in the
first half of the 20th century, are not an influence now in the 3rd
millennium.
Tell that to Golden Dawn. And the Russian Parliament.
Just because few people in
:
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 09:20:39AM +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Oh well. There's only so much I can do at once. I've got bigger
troubles than trying to solve Ruby's problems with yahoos, and
frankly, if I were a Ruby community member, I wouldn't exactly be
pleased to have a bunch of
In article 201310162317485-owenjacobson@grimoireca,
Owen Jacobson owen.jacob...@grimoire.ca wrote:
* SexMachine (https://pypi.python.org/pypi/SexMachine/0.1.1 - an
attempt to detect the gender of names, which⦠well, ask the nearest boy
named Sue - or girl named Leslie)
I'm not sure
I am a woman and all I can say to these things is.. Bringing light to these
things do nothing but give attention to the attention seeking.. yea the
names are dumb. But does it ever stop me. No. Mainly because ignore the
college/boyish mentality that is associated with names like that.
On Thu,
On 17/10/2013 04:13, Owen Jacobson wrote:
It is no business of the Python community how the Ruby community manages
sexism or any other ism.
--
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Most poems rhyme,
But this one doesn't.
Mark Lawrence
--
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Danyelle Davis ladyni...@gmail.com wrote:
I am a woman and all I can say to these things is.. Bringing light to these
things do nothing but give attention to the attention seeking.. yea the
names are dumb. But does it ever stop me. No. Mainly because ignore
What we need to do is A) Prove that we are not sexist and racist by excluding
and intolerating people who do not agree with. B) Head on over to the Ruby
mailing list and make a thread called Hey guys we are the python people, and
can you learn to behave, ok plz? wherein we detail to them what
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:18:25 PM UTC+5:30, Zero Piraeus wrote:
:
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 09:20:39AM +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Oh well. There's only so much I can do at once. I've got bigger
troubles than trying to solve Ruby's problems with yahoos, and
frankly, if I
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a mailing list for a language named after a snake,
especially by a guy who claims to prefer an language named after a fish :-)
--
On 17/10/2013 17:43, Paul Pittlerson wrote:
What we need to do is A) Prove that we are not sexist and racist by
excluding and intolerating people who do not agree with. B) Head on
over to the Ruby mailing list and make a thread called Hey guys we
are the python people, and can you learn to
17.10.13 20:37, MRAB написав(ла):
It's interesting to note that, in the early days, programming was
thought to be a suitable job for a woman because, after all, it
involved typing, so basically it was just clerical activity!
But in the earlier days, typing and clerical activity were male
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a mailing list for a language named after a snake,
especially by a guy who claims
On 17/10/2013 20:43, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a mailing list for a language named after a
Op 17-10-13 16:38, Danyelle Davis schreef:
I am a woman and all I can say to these things is.. Bringing light to
these things do nothing but give attention to the attention seeking..
yea the names are dumb. But does it ever stop me. No. Mainly because
ignore the college/boyish mentality that
On 18 October 2013 04:16, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a mailing list for a language named after a snake,
especially by a guy who claims to
On 17 October 2013 04:13, Owen Jacobson owen.jacob...@grimoire.ca wrote:
Last week, Elad Maidar wrote a fairly short but readable opinion piece[0]
illustrating some long-standing social problems in the Ruby community,
ending with a very specific call to action around naming conventions for
On 17 October 2013 22:14, Joshua Landau jos...@landau.ws wrote:
It's not our job to do anything. We can't clean the internet, so
there's no point trying. Personally I think the common digressions
into attacks on intellect and professionalism are much more socially
regressed than the minute
On Thursday 17 October 2013 17:34:15 Mark Lawrence did opine:
On 17/10/2013 20:43, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
On 10/16/13 11:13 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
3. How can we reach out to the Ruby community and help *them* get past
the current crop of gender issues, and help them as a group to do better
next time?
The Ruby community seems to be a singular example of brogrammer
culture: mostly young men, lots
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:
I've worked in marketing, editing, technical writing, and development, and
at no place I have ever worked would such behavior be greeted with anything
but immediate termination.
That's all very well, but what if these
On 10/17/13 6:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:
I've worked in marketing, editing, technical writing, and development, and
at no place I have ever worked would such behavior be greeted with anything
but immediate termination.
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a mailing list for a language named after a snake,
especially by a guy who claims to
In article mailman.1186.1382050591.18130.python-l...@python.org,
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
12.1. pickle Python object serialization
(flavorful, fine once you know it, but a little unintuitive)
Actually, pickle is a very descriptive term. You might be thinking that
a pickle is
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:13:33 +0300, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
17.10.13 20:37, MRAB написав(ла):
It's interesting to note that, in the early days, programming was
thought to be a suitable job for a woman because, after all, it
involved typing, so basically it was just clerical activity!
But
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:50:26 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
On 17 Oct 2013 05:48:10 GMT, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:22:47 -0400, random832 wrote:
While this flippant usage of Nazi (based on, as I understand it,
Seinfeld's soup nazi) may be offensive, it
On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:07:48 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
Thing is, it's all very well to avoid using one particular module
because you don't like its name... but what happens when there are a
goodly number of such ill-named modules? Let's suppose you don't like
the name readline because it
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:16:24 -0700, Roy Smith wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a mailing list for a language named after a
snake, especially by a guy who claims to prefer an
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
In article mailman.1186.1382050591.18130.python-l...@python.org,
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
12.1. pickle ‹ Python object serialization
(flavorful, fine once you know it, but a little unintuitive)
Actually, pickle
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:16:24 -0700, Roy Smith wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
Module names should be descriptive, not fancy.
Interesting comment, on a
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Owen Jacobson owen.jacob...@grimoire.cawrote:
Last week, Elad Maidar wrote a fairly short but readable opinion piece[0]
illustrating some long-standing social problems in the Ruby community,
ending with a very specific call to action around naming conventions
Last week, Elad Maidar wrote a fairly short but readable opinion
piece[0] illustrating some long-standing social problems in the Ruby
community, ending with a very specific call to action around naming
conventions for Ruby projects and gems. To save you the trouble of
scrolling to the bottom
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 23:13, Owen Jacobson wrote:
* therapist - yeah, It passes as a double meaning - but still.
Or a single meaning. Who's to say the person who wrote the module even
had any idea it could be read otherwise?
* shag
Something to do with carpet?
* db_nazi
See below.
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Owen Jacobson
owen.jacob...@grimoire.ca wrote:
-snip-
1. What social biases and problems *do* we unwittingly encourage by way of
community-tolerated behaviour? Where, if not through the conventions for
naming, do we encourage sexism, racism, and other mindlessly
Owen Jacobson owen.jacob...@grimoire.ca writes:
1. What social biases and problems *do* we unwittingly encourage by
way of community-tolerated behaviour?
This is a well-worded good question, and I'd like to draw a connection
with another one you ask:
3. How can we reach out to the Ruby
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:22:47 -0400, random832 wrote:
While this flippant usage of Nazi (based on, as I understand it,
Seinfeld's soup nazi) may be offensive, it has nothing to do with
sexism. If the scope of this discussion is to be offensive module names
generally, then the subject line
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