Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alan J. Salmoni wrote: > I heartily agree. pdf format has never been much of a problem for me. > Now that you have an ISSN, has it been submitted to Google Scholar or > other academic indexes? > > http://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/about.html for Google Scholar > http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-27 Thread Alan J. Salmoni
I heartily agree. pdf format has never been much of a problem for me. Now that you have an ISSN, has it been submitted to Google Scholar or other academic indexes? http://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/about.html for Google Scholar http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/submitDocument.html for Citeseer

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-26 Thread Ben Finney
"Noah Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I do not think this thread is an embarrassment to the community. I > think it speaks volumes about people's commitment to free software. > > While we can applaud such contributions it is no excuse to waiver on > one's ethics and principles. Yes, this wa

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-26 Thread Noah Slater
I do not think this thread is an embarrassment to the community. I think it speaks volumes about people's commitment to free software. While we can applaud such contributions it is no excuse to waiver on one's ethics and principles. Regardless of content, or even format, if the Python Papers are

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-26 Thread Ɓukasz Langa
Fredrik Lundh: > Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: > > >> If anyone has any good ideas for how to cope as a publisher with these >> difficulties, I'm all ears. >> > > has any of the format zealots posting to this thread actually > volunteered to produce any material for your publication? if no

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:13:58 -0800, Noah Slater wrote: > > On Nov 22, 12:41 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Thanks for the comments. PDF is, to some extent, a requirement. To >> preserve the entire journal as a single "entity" with a reasonably high >> production quality,

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Noah Slater wrote: > Which is more important to the Python comunity... the community definitely don't need more random usenet posters who's only contribution is to complain whenever someone tries to do some- thing. this thread is an embarrassment for the Python community; you should all be ash

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Noah Slater
On Nov 22, 12:41 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the comments. PDF is, to some extent, a requirement. To > preserve the entire journal as a single "entity" with a reasonably high > production quality, there seems to be no way around it. I could not > find a sufficie

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Paul Boddie
Jerry Hill wrote: > > MontyLingua is GPL software and thus has its own licensing issues for > > commercial software. MontyLingua might appear to be GPL-licensed, but then the author puts some kind of non-commercial clause on top, either thinking that's what the GPL is all about (out of confusion,

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Carl Banks
Paul Rubin wrote: > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Your email indicates a possible concern that we are doing something > > untoward -- this was not at all intended, nor is it true. > > Although you might not have intended it, I feel it is still true. You > are misappropriatin

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Fuzzyman
Maurice LING wrote: [snip..] > As Steven mentioned -- anything you can read is copyrighted. The > difference is whether is the copyright effective or enforceable. What do > I mean by this? Without copyright, there will not be plagarism. Ask > yourself this question, can you copy William Shakespear

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Fuzzyman
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: > > > If anyone has any good ideas for how to cope as a publisher with these > > difficulties, I'm all ears. > > has any of the format zealots posting to this thread actually > volunteered to produce any material for your publication? if not, I

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Jerry Hill
On 11/25/06, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And how do you think this is different from any other publication? That > Python Papers is under a CC licence is a red-herring. Well, the CC license is viral. According to the CC explanation of the Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike lice

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Paul Rubin
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I thought I just had. In what way does the statement "Yes, it's true > that you can't resell copies of The Python Papers for personal profits, > but you may derive from it, reproduce and propagate it" not provide > such a revision and clarification?

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Paul Rubin
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Your email indicates a possible concern that we are doing something > untoward -- this was not at all intended, nor is it true. Although you might not have intended it, I feel it is still true. You are misappropriating terminology ("free as in fre

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-25 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: > If anyone has any good ideas for how to cope as a publisher with these > difficulties, I'm all ears. has any of the format zealots posting to this thread actually volunteered to produce any material for your publication? if not, I suggest ignoring them. any bozo

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-24 Thread Robert Kern
Maurice LING wrote: > As Steven mentioned -- anything you can read is copyrighted. The > difference is whether is the copyright effective or enforceable. What do > I mean by this? Without copyright, there will not be plagarism. Ask > yourself this question, can you copy William Shakespeare's Mac

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-24 Thread Maurice LING
Jerry Hill wrote: > On 11/25/06, Jerry Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 23 Nov 2006 15:09:11 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Yes, it's true that you can't resell copies of The Python Papers for >> > personal profits, but you may derive from it, reproduce and prop

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-24 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:27:24 -0500, Jerry Hill wrote: > On 11/25/06, Jerry Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 23 Nov 2006 15:09:11 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Yes, it's true that you can't resell copies of The Python Papers for >> > personal profits, but you may

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-24 Thread Jerry Hill
On 11/25/06, Jerry Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23 Nov 2006 15:09:11 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, it's true that you can't resell copies of The Python Papers for > > personal profits, but you may derive from it, reproduce and propagate > > it. You're quite

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-24 Thread Carl Banks
Shane Hathaway wrote: > Just avoid the term "free as in freedom", since the Free > Software Foundation has assigned that phrase a very specific meaning. Bah. FSF is not an arbiter of the language. People whose idea of "free" differs from FSF's still need to differentiate it from the monetary sen

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-24 Thread Paul Boddie
Shane Hathaway wrote: > > IMHO your licensing terms are fine; you don't need to switch from the CC > license. Just avoid the term "free as in freedom", since the Free > Software Foundation has assigned that phrase a very specific meaning. Agreed. It should also be noted that Debian - amongst the

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-24 Thread Shane Hathaway
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ben Finney wrote: >> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Yes, it's true that you can't resell copies of The Python Papers for >>> personal profits, but you may derive from it, reproduce and >>> propagate it. You're quite right to point it out. >> Then p

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread Jacques Naude
kilnhead wrote: > I for one like the pdf format. Nothing irks me more than help files in > multipage HTML. I want a document I can easily download and save. > Thanks for your efforts. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> Some of you may have noticed the launch of the Python Jour

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I thought I just had. In what way does the statement "Yes, it's true > that you can't resell copies of The Python Papers for personal profits, > but you may derive from it, reproduce and propagate it" not provide > such a revision and clarification? Seriously, let me know what exact > statement

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ben Finney wrote: > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Yes, it's true that you can't resell copies of The Python Papers for > > personal profits, but you may derive from it, reproduce and > > propagate it. You're quite right to point it out. > > Then please revise the false stat

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread Ben Finney
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, it's true that you can't resell copies of The Python Papers for > personal profits, but you may derive from it, reproduce and > propagate it. You're quite right to point it out. Then please revise the false statement that the publication is "

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread Paul Boddie
Klaas wrote: > Tennessee writes: > >* If you say LaTex, I'll eat your brain. Or my hat. Unless I'm > > seriously underrating it, but I don't think so. > > Why? It is a suitable solution to this problem. You can produce > unformatted content, then produce pdf and html pages from it. Sure, LaT

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread Stephen Hansen
Perhaps people could comment on the following proposition -- if an organisation is Not for Profit, its dealings are therefore Noncommercial? I think the problem is Python has historically been so very free-- It has always been *extremely* Business-Friendly, and totally lacks ... ah, the moral o

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, it's true that you can't resell copies of The Python Papers for personal profits, but you may derive from it, reproduce and propagate it. You're quite right to point it out. Licenses are too complicated. I don't believe a license exists which meets the demands of all clients, however should I

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread Klaas
Tennessee writes: >* If you say LaTex, I'll eat your brain. Or my hat. Unless I'm > seriously underrating it, but I don't think so. Why? It is a suitable solution to this problem. You can produce unformatted content, then produce pdf and html pages from it. -Mike -- http://mail.python.org

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread jdunck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 1.) It takes too many clicks to download. > A) We know, but it's like that to save our server. We will be > publishing to a number of online archives, back-issues may be > back-linkable from those. Please consider using S3, coral cache, or similar to distribute, if the

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread kilnhead
I for one like the pdf format. Nothing irks me more than help files in multipage HTML. I want a document I can easily download and save. Thanks for your efforts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Greetings all, > > Some of you may have noticed the launch of the Python Journal a while > back. Due to arti

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-23 Thread Tool69
I've recently tried the docutils's reST module with Pygments ( to highlight Python sources), so you can have LaTeX + HTML + PDF output (You can see what it renders here : h**p://kib2.free.fr/geoPyX/geoPyX.html ). It worked fine, but needs a little work to suit your needs (you'll have to write your

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-22 Thread Tennessee Leeuwenburg
On 11/23/06, Stephen Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > 3.) Can I have an HTML version? > > A) No, we like it pretty. > > > The interesting thing is, there's nothing in your layout or format that you > can't do with some nice standards-compliant HTML and CSS. It could look > identical as

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-22 Thread Stephen Hansen
3.) Can I have an HTML version? A) No, we like it pretty. The interesting thing is, there's nothing in your layout or format that you can't do with some nice standards-compliant HTML and CSS. It could look identical as HTML-- and be significantly more "reachable" by people, easier for them to u

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-22 Thread Paul Rubin
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Some of you may have noticed the launch of the Python Journal a while > back. Due to artistic differences, the journal has now been re-launched > as The Python Papers. It is available under a Creative Commons License, > something we felt was appropr

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The adobe people have online conversion http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/access_onlinetools.html google seems to convert them when they end up in the engines http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pdf+to+html has a list of converters http://www.dexrow.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Tell u

Re: The Python Papers Edition One

2006-11-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tell us about it again when it is available as html. We will be glad to read it. I am sorry but I almost never find a pdf worth the bother of clicking on it. Sorry -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list