Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-04-03 Thread srepmub
On Mar 30, 4:36 pm, Michele Simionato wrote: > On Mar 30, 3:31 pm, srepmub wrote: > > > for the record, the input forShedskinis pure Python, so there is no > > added syntax or optional type declaration system. that said, I can > > understand it not being on some list for not being production-read

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-30 Thread Tim Golden
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:46:40 +0200, Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: Its kind of sad to see unladen swallow, which is just a promise, on the list, while Shedskin, which isn't, is ignored. Does this say something about big corporations vs the small man? No, what it says is tha

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-30 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:46:40 +0200, Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: > Its kind of sad to see unladen swallow, which is just a promise, on the > list, while Shedskin, which isn't, is ignored. > > Does this say something about big corporations vs the small man? No, what it says is that I had just read a

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-30 Thread Michele Simionato
On Mar 30, 3:31 pm, srepmub wrote: > for the record, the input for Shedskin is pure Python, so there is no > added syntax or optional type declaration system. that said, I can > understand it not being on some list for not being production-ready. > > thanks, > mark dufour. But does ShedSkin accep

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-30 Thread srepmub
> > Its kind of sad to see unladen swallow, which is just > > a promise, on the list, whileShedskin, which isn't, > > is ignored. > > > Does this say something about big corporations > > vs the small man? > > I think the programs on the list were supposed to actually implement > Python and extensi

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-30 Thread Paul Rubin
"Hendrik van Rooyen" writes: > Its kind of sad to see unladen swallow, which is just > a promise, on the list, while Shedskin, which isn't, > is ignored. > > Does this say something about big corporations > vs the small man? I think the programs on the list were supposed to actually implement P

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-30 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
"Steven D'Aprano" wrote: >Oh noes!!! Python will be just like nearly every other language!!! > >Including Python. There are already at least thirteen implementations >(forks) of Python (although some of these are defunct or unmaintained): > >CPython >Jython >IronPython >Python for .NET >CLPytho

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-28 Thread Aaron Brady
On Mar 29, 12:23 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:57:41 -0700, Aaron Brady wrote: > > I see how c-l-py doesn't represent the full interests of Python, > > Python is a *programming language*. It doesn't have interests. It just > sits there, a bunch of bits on a disk, waiting to b

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:57:41 -0700, Aaron Brady wrote: > I see how c-l-py doesn't represent the full interests of Python, Python is a *programming language*. It doesn't have interests. It just sits there, a bunch of bits on a disk, waiting to be used. *People* have interests, and Python is a me

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Aahz
In article , andrew cooke wrote: > >c.l.python used to be the core of a community built around a language. It >no longer is. It is a very useful place, where some very helpful and >knowledgeable people hang out and give advice, but instead of representing >the full interests of the Python commun

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread skip
Andrew> c.l.python used to be the core of a community built around a Andrew> language. It no longer is. It is a very useful place, where Andrew> some very helpful and knowledgeable people hang out and give Andrew> advice, but instead of representing the full interests of the

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Aaron Brady
On Mar 27, 8:15 pm, "andrew cooke" wrote: > Erik Max Francis wrote: > > [...] > > > And made all purdy-like: > > >    http://www.alcyone.com/tmp/python-list%20traffic.pdf > > That's very pretty, but neither the volume of posts, nor the quality of > the people posting here is really what I was talk

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 21:15 -0400, andrew cooke wrote: [...] > c.l.python used to be the core of a community built around a language. It > no longer is. It is a very useful place, where some very helpful and > knowledgeable people hang out and give advice, but instead of representing > the full

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread andrew cooke
Erik Max Francis wrote: [...] > And made all purdy-like: > > http://www.alcyone.com/tmp/python-list%20traffic.pdf That's very pretty, but neither the volume of posts, nor the quality of the people posting here is really what I was talking about. I don't think I explained very well, but seei

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Erik Max Francis
Albert Hopkins wrote: I agree. If the argument is simply that some devs no longer hang here but do on -dev than that's not declining to me, especially as the amount of traffic on -dev increases. That's ordinary. Same for people coming and going. For me declining means the rate of (non-spam) po

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Aahz
In article , Nick Craig-Wood wrote: > >c.l.py is my favourite usenet group and has been for some time. I've >been doing usenet for 16 years now! Newbie. ;-) -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit an

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Nick Craig-Wood
Aahz wrote: > Well, yes, but that's simply the nature of online fora (I originally > wrote "nature of Usenet", but I think it's more general than that). From > my POV, if you're going to call it a "decline", you need to provide more > evidence than some people leaving and others arriving. I

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread skip
Albert> For me declining means the rate of (non-spam) posts is steadily Albert> dropping over time. I know this wasn't the main point of your post, but if you subscribe to python-list@python.org or read it via a mail-to-news gateway like Gmane I think you will find the ratio of spam to ha

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 10:47 -0700, Aahz wrote: > In article , > andrew cooke wrote: > >Aahz wrote: > >> > >> Excuse me? What decline of this newsgroup? > > > >Hmmm. It's hard to respond to this without implicitly criticising others > >here, which wasn't my point at all. But my personal impress

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread skip
Aahz> Excuse me? What decline of this newsgroup? Andrew> But my personal impression is that over the years various Andrew> people who used to post here now stay pretty firmly in the dev Andrew> group, while others seem to have disappeared more or less Andrew> completely

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Tim Chase
Aahz wrote: In article , andrew cooke wrote: you are trying to do very "deep" things that most people do not do with python. that does not mean that there are no solutions, just that you have to find them yourself (especially with the decline of this newsgroup). Excuse me? What decline of t

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Aahz
In article , andrew cooke wrote: >Aahz wrote: >> >> Excuse me? What decline of this newsgroup? > >Hmmm. It's hard to respond to this without implicitly criticising others >here, which wasn't my point at all. But my personal impression is that >over the years various people who used to post here

Re: c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread andrew cooke
Aahz wrote: > Excuse me? What decline of this newsgroup? Hmmm. It's hard to respond to this without implicitly criticising others here, which wasn't my point at all. But my personal impression is that over the years various people who used to post here now stay pretty firmly in the dev group, w

c.l.py dead, news at 11 (was Re: Mangle function name with decorator?)

2009-03-27 Thread Aahz
In article , andrew cooke wrote: > >you are trying to do very "deep" things that most people do not do with >python. that does not mean that there are no solutions, just that you >have to find them yourself (especially with the decline of this >newsgroup). Excuse me? What decline of this newsgr