On 04/07/2020 16:38, Random832 wrote:
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, at 08:48, Rhodri James wrote:
As I said in my preamble, it doesn't matter whether you believe that is
true or think it's utter bollocks. I asked the question to get the
Steering Council's opinion, not anyone else's. If you
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, at 18:17, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 07/04/2020 10:32 AM, Random832 wrote:
>
> > I said obvious because even if it was not obvious from the commit message
> > itself, it had *already been explained* in the thread on the other mailing
> > list
>
> That would require Michael
On 07/04/2020 10:32 AM, Random832 wrote:
I said obvious because even if it was not obvious from the commit message
itself, it had *already been explained* in the thread on the other mailing list
That would require Michael to have been reading the other mailing list to know
that. Just
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, at 12:33, o1bigtenor wrote:
> I would point out that even suggesting that the issue be a *obvious
> factual mistake* only serves to prove that you didn't read the thing
> and I, at least, wonder why you're offering an opinion on any part of
> the discussion.
I said
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 10:41 AM Random832 wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, at 08:48, Rhodri James wrote:
> > As I said in my preamble, it doesn't matter whether you believe that is
> > true or think it's utter bollocks. I asked the question to get the
> > Steering Council's opinion, not anyone
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, at 08:48, Rhodri James wrote:
> As I said in my preamble, it doesn't matter whether you believe that is
> true or think it's utter bollocks. I asked the question to get the
> Steering Council's opinion, not anyone else's. If you collectively
> really must rehash the
On 2020-07-03, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 7/3/20 10:57 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2020-07-03, Ethan Furman wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2020 07:42 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
She didn't - you did.
>>>
>>> Please keep the discourse civil. Petty taunts are not helpful.
>>
On 7/2/2020 6:46 PM, Random832 wrote:
how much of that discussion you've actually read), but the point is
that the *whole idea* of "standard English" is tied to white supremacy,
not any particular standard whether via its authors or otherwise.
France has the French Academy to protect the
Random832 wrote at 2020-7-2 18:46 -0400:
> ... the *whole idea* of "standard English" is tied to white supremacy, not
> any particular standard whether via its authors or otherwise.
PEP 8 was initially designed as a style specification for
Python's runtime library. I hope we can agree that
all
On 7/3/20 10:57 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
> On 2020-07-03, Ethan Furman wrote:
>> On 07/02/2020 07:42 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>>> She didn't - you did.
>>
>> Please keep the discourse civil. Petty taunts are not helpful.
>
> Sorry, I don't understand what you are
On 2020-07-03, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 07/02/2020 07:42 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> She didn't - you did.
>
> Please keep the discourse civil. Petty taunts are not helpful.
Sorry, I don't understand what you are getting at. My comment was not
a "petty taunt", it was an important
On 07/02/2020 07:42 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
She didn't - you did.
Please keep the discourse civil. Petty taunts are not helpful.
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On 03/07/2020 15:28, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
On 2020-07-03, Rhodri James wrote:
On 02/07/2020 23:46, Random832 wrote:
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, at 18:29, Michael Torrie wrote:
Come again? I can see no other link in the verbage with the
"relics of white supremacy" that she referred to.
> On Jul 3, 2020, at 10:23 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
>
> I decry the present hypersensitivity to any hint of culture that was
> present some 200 years ago especially when such sensitivity is used
> to block a wider group from participating. IMO such hypersensitive
> individuals might be better
On 2020-07-02, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 7/2/20 1:26 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2020-07-02, Michael Torrie wrote:
>>> Agreed. She just needs to fix her commit message to remove the sentence
>>> about the relics of white supremacy. The fact she would conflate an
>>> author's
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 7:05 PM Michael Torrie wrote:
>
> On 7/2/20 4:46 PM, Random832 wrote:
> > It's possible that this wasn't explained clearly enough in the commit
> > message itself (though I would argue it was definitely adequately
> > explained in the ensuing on-list discussion, and wonder
On 2020-07-03, Rhodri James wrote:
> On 02/07/2020 23:46, Random832 wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, at 18:29, Michael Torrie wrote:
>>> Come again? I can see no other link in the verbage with the
>>> "relics of white supremacy" that she referred to. If there are
>>> other links, they should be
On 02/07/2020 23:46, Random832 wrote:
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, at 18:29, Michael Torrie wrote:
Come again? I can see no other link in the verbage with the
"relics of white supremacy" that she referred to. If there are
other links, they should be included in the commit message. I
agree with
Since explicit is better than implicit :-), I would like to formally ask the Steering Council to answer the following
questions.
1. Does the Steering Council think political statements have any place in the
Python repositories?
2. If so, for the avoidance of doubt does the Steering
On 7/2/20 4:46 PM, Random832 wrote:
> It's possible that this wasn't explained clearly enough in the commit
> message itself (though I would argue it was definitely adequately
> explained in the ensuing on-list discussion, and wonder how much of
> that discussion you've actually read), but the
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Random832 wrote:
>
> but the point is that the *whole idea* of "standard English" is tied to white
> supremacy
Bunkum. It is racist to claim that standards are against people, when their
purpose to to make the written word understood by all who read it, as
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, at 18:29, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Come again? I can see no other link in the verbage with the "relics of
> white supremacy" that she referred to. If there are other links, they
> should be included in the commit message. I agree with Rhodri that an
> explanation would be
On 7/2/20 1:26 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
> On 2020-07-02, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> Agreed. She just needs to fix her commit message to remove the sentence
>> about the relics of white supremacy. The fact she would conflate an
>> author's name with some kind of race-related thing is
On 07/02/2020 12:14 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
The fact she would conflate an
author's name with some kind of race-related thing is a bit
embarrassing, frankly.
It seems she has studied literary and English history, at least as related to
the 20th century, so I don't think any name conflation
On 2020-07-02, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Agreed. She just needs to fix her commit message to remove the sentence
> about the relics of white supremacy. The fact she would conflate an
> author's name with some kind of race-related thing is a bit
> embarrassing, frankly.
She didn't - you did.
--
On 7/2/20 11:11 AM, Dieter Maurer wrote:
> In the replaced sentence
> `When writing English, follow Strunk and White`
> I interpret "Strunk and White" as a reference to some
> document containing rules for readable English and "Strunk and White"
> are likely the authors of this document. I do not
On 7/2/20 12:04 PM, Rhodri James wrote:
> On 02/07/2020 18:11, Dieter Maurer wrote:
>> I am no member of the Council. Thus, your questions are not directed
>> to me. **BUT** you made your questions public and thus you are
>> likely prepared to receive public comments.
>
> Fortunately you don't
On 02/07/2020 18:11, Dieter Maurer wrote:
I am no member of the Council. Thus, your questions are not directed
to me. **BUT** you made your questions public and thus you are
likely prepared to receive public comments.
Fortunately you don't answer any of the questions, so I don't need to
have
Rhodri James wrote at 2020-7-2 14:39 +0100:
>We've had the requested 24 hour cooling off, and I don't imagine anyone
>is surprised that the situation remains unchanged. The commit message
>that caused the controversy is still in the PEP repository, and is still
>controversial. Whether you think
On 07/02/2020 06:39 AM, Rhodri James wrote:
We've had the requested 24 hour cooling off, and I don't imagine anyone is
surprised that the situation remains unchanged. The commit message that caused
the controversy is still in the PEP repository, and is still controversial.
Whether you
We've had the requested 24 hour cooling off, and I don't imagine anyone
is surprised that the situation remains unchanged. The commit message
that caused the controversy is still in the PEP repository, and is still
controversial. Whether you think it's the best thing since the last
best
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