e. In
this case I don't want users fiddling with it apart from the app.
What is the right way to do this? (What's the easy way?) Is there a
simple method that will work for both Mac and Windows (and Linux)?
Charles Hartman
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n for applications? Oh well.
Charles Hartman
"Creative paranoia means developing at least as thorough a We-system as a They-system." Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow, p. 638.
On Dec 21, 2004, at 3:32 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 21, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
(I also posted thi
.)
2. Bravo! Bravo!
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On Dec 23, 2004, at 6:12 PM, Jack Jansen wrote:
Fixing this for 2.4.1 and 2.3.5 themselves is rather easy (and
sketched in the mail mentioned above). Fixing this i
to be completely unsuccessful -
at least without users there's nobody to upset but yourself. Oh well,
maybe in Python 3000... ;)
That's always been my solution (I learned it from my profession, that
of a poet), and I should report that it works wonderfully.
Charles Hartman
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old.
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Hey, that's great -- thanks! RegexPlor looks like what I need. (I've
got a regex puzzle that's made my head hurt for two days. [Not knowing
what I'm doing might have *something* to do with it.])
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On D
Yes please! With Bob Ippolito's helpful pointer (the QPL is **not**
easily evident on the Troll web site) I now have the free version of
PyQt, though I haven't tested it yet. I'd love to see Kodos. On the
SourceForge.net page?
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Please not PyOxide. I used it for a while, I like it -- but it doesn't
work, and it hasn't been worked on or updated in months. The current
PythonIDE is minimal and shabby, but it works just fine.
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Yes please! With Bob Ippolito's helpful pointer (the QPL is **not**
easily evident on the Troll web site) I now have the free version of
PyQt, though I haven't tested it yet. I'd love to see Kodos. On the
SourceForge.net page?
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ntly I did something to my system that busted it. The most recent
thing I did was to load PyQt (and free Qt and SIP) -- could that have
anything to do with it? Sorry to be so clueless about something
presumably simple.
Charles Hartman
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. The performance hit from X11 doesn't seem to be
severe, and it plays well with Virtual Desktop Pro (which I'm also
going to have to pay for because after five days I can't live without
it).
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http:
7;s already found. The
solutions that occur to me are pretty Rube Goldberg (run the search
multiple times, cutting one character off the beginning of the string
each time . . .) I know there's a better solution.
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Sorry, that was a dumb question. I forgot about
for i in range(len(str) - 3):
fnd = pattern.search(str, i)
if fnd
(Why do I think of these things one [1] minute after posting a question
in desperation? Law of nature?)
Charles Hartman
argument that becomes available then. It's just awkward. And I keep
thinking I must be missing something about RE syntax that would let me
do these searches in a single step, not a loop (or, often, two nested
loops).
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Prof
On Jan 18, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Nicholas Riley wrote:
On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 04:40:54PM -0500, Charles Hartman wrote:
find 'abca' in string 'abcabca'
Every *single* RE I can think of misses the second instance (beginning
in position 3) in the first example, because it&#x
intention of writing
commercial software I guess I could as easily (that is, cheaply) use
QT. (I do need my (academic) programs to run on both Mac and Windows.)
Worth switching?
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e question. I don't
even *have* different platforms (I sneak onto a colleague's machine to
see if my Windows builds work). Certainly this distinguishes what I
write from commercial apps; but when you ask me to describe the result
as "throwaway," I balk.
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On
e the next release. (This has happened to me in the past.)
I
really hate to say this, but in this respect backward compatibility in
Windows seems to be much better. Am I missing something?
Umm . . . Software Update?
Charles Hartman
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I haven't used it for a while. Now when I try to make an app of the
thing I've been working on -- OR of a separate package (part of
appscript)! -- I get "ObjectGraph not found." ObjectGraph.py(c) *is* in
/Library/Python/2.3/py2app/altgraph. So what did I do
cify it on the
py2app command line (python setup.py py2app --resources mydatafile) --
but where do I put it in the setup.py file? (I want it to get included
in a py2exe build, too.)
You see the kind of tutorial I'm looking for? Any poin
e of us need a fill-in-the-gap
tutorial. Any mercy welcome.
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fing one thing or another (an icon file, a data file) into one of
these. So an app turns out to be a whole village.
Fellow wanderer in benightedness,
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between the
'data_files' argument in a setup.py file (as ordained by distutils),
and the 'resources' option to py2app?
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can hardly guess how good the above music sounds to the ears of the
Terminal-ly challenged & similar Mac-hacking persons like myself. I
write goofy linguistic-research apps, I don't do systems stuff. People
like me love Python too.
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If you try SPE, I'd be very interested to hear your results. It's
beautiful, and very extensive. But I have not been able to make it
work. (The same has been true for me with wxGlade. It may be my fault,
or the fault of my system.)
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mething to *study*!)
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confused, or only somewhat?
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On Feb 9, 2005, at 9:04 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
You should never, ever, ever, ever, ever write inside of a bundle
anyway. You should make this runtime directory in /tmp,
/Library/Application Support/, etc.
In fact, I was thinking that I should c
problem, I have to keep saying.
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m into the
executable" (I don't know how to do that; I have to give my app to
Windows people, but actually (*knowing* anything about Windows . . .)
or if you could explain "(bleh)" -- but maybe the one question answers
the other.
s
quite useful overviews of the cross-platform issues. Thank you.
Charles Hartman
On Feb 9, 2005, at 11:47 PM, Roger Binns wrote:
I'm not sure whether to ask if you could explain "compile them into
the executable" (I don't know how to do that; I have to give my app
to Win
k in, isn't it likely to be a reasonable
place for someone to work who knows more, too?
Sorry, I'm rambling.
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quick and
painless. The only annoyance is the almost-but-not-quite-the-same
commands for STCs versus wx's TextCtrls.
Charles Hartman
On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Boa uses wxScintilla (AKA wxSTC) also. It is also only currently
working with wxPython2.4.2, so not a good o
my stage -- beginner but not
complete beginner -- and that without the IDE I'd get lost in the
larger integrative steps. And those are the parts where a
sort-of-beginner is most likely to need help for (I'm guessing) quite a
while.
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In that long discussion, someone mentioned jEdit, so I went and looked
it up. It looks very promising and robust. But am I right in thinking
that the only path toward GUI apps that it would support would be Java
(JPython) based? Rather than wx, and so on?
Charles Hartman
I suppose that might turn out to be the crucial
question. But either way, I'm very puzzled to find a cross-platform
disparity in this area. What am I missing?
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is
why what I think is a very simple dictionary lookup should find the key
on the Mac and not find it on Windows. In the debugger I can look at
both values -- 'word' and an entry in self.SD.Dict -- and see the same
string.
Is that any clearer? I know I could easily have made a
an
get at the Windows machine tomorrow I'll try to check this again.
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On Feb 21, 2005, at 9:17 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Feb 21, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Kevin Ollivier wrote:
On Feb 21, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:
This may be the wrong list for this question. Send me away if so,
but I thought I'd try here first.
I'm building Mac and Windows vers
I just make it
word = selstring.lower().strip()
Many thanks! It was driving me crazy, and you steered me right.
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On Feb 21, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Feb 21, 2
If anybody has a crying need for a program that scans iambic
pentameters, see the site below (the Programs page). wxPython on
Mac/Win. Ta-da, and all that. It mostly seems to work.
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(Tried to answer before but it didn't go through) It works fine in
TextWrangler if you choose (from TW's Run submenu) Run in Terminal;
you're still doing your work in TW, just using Terminal for i/o.
Charles Hartman
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only a little). But for me at least, it's a very nice debugging
environment. TextWrangler is better as an editor for big tasks, but
Wing's is quite OK, especially for the editing required while
debugging.
Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
http://cherr
No no, pythonw is simply part of OS X Python. Just change the command
that your editor or whatever runs, probably from /usr/bin/python to
/usr/bin/pythonw. You need to do that for *any* GUI app.
Charles Hartman
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http
ion. I use WingIDE for editing and
debugging, but it doesn't include any graphic designer for wx. I wish
something that did worked, or that I could get it to work. Several
half-there solutions; but everything I've tried either isn't ready for
OS X or isn't ready f
It crashes for me all the time; I found it unusable at this stage.
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Professor of English, Poet in Residence
http://cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar
http://villex.blogspot.com
On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Chris Barker wrote:
I
thought someone had built a wxGlade package
ge for OS-X.
(Yes, but I couldn't get it to wait to crash long enough to build a
dialog box with it.)
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it is.
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10.x, but no more. I'm counting on the
herd instinct, here.
Charles Hartman
On Mar 17, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Mar 17, 2005, at 10:37, Charles Hartman wrote:
On Mar 16, 2005, at 9:39 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
You *may* need to compile the Python framework and all of the
extensio
On Mar 18, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
Actually, I'm not totally sure I trust the 10.3+ zip files for
symlinks. Disk images are the popular solution. Some later version
of py2app will probably have an option for creating a dmg out of your
application.
Yes please!
Charles Ha
what he
or she was doing wouldn't have any trouble.) The two *seem* to be
playing perfectly happily together.
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4. I don't know how to do it in a way that allows for the
variations (unicode or not, replacing an old installation or not . . .
trust me, everybody will be happier if I don't undertake this.
Charles Hartman
On Apr 4, 2005, at 10:20 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Apr 4, 2005, at 10:12 PM, C
uncommented the source-folding lines, and they work fine.
Thanks for doing this. I hope you've told Wing Tech Support about it.
(They're extraordinarily helpful.)
Charles Hartman
On Apr 6, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:
I have put up a basic keymap file for WingIDE that makes it loo
download and install the Mac keymap that
Russell Owen just posted here. It reduces the alien feel of X11 a fair
amount.
Charles Hartman
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:19 PM, Lee Cullens wrote:
Just a followup. I thought since I was the one that complained
_coupled_ with Bob's mention of not much he
ded the two-platform license I need if I'm to
distribute for Windows as well as Mac (which is to say, octupling my
user base).
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at field, begin typing (it will help) the path to the Python you
want. (For me, that's /usr/bin/pythonw for Python 2.3 and
/user/local/bin/pythonw for Python 2.4.) Hope this helps.
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*the Scandroid* is available at:
http://cherry.conncol
7;t (except by rewriting everything but that to a new zipfile
and renaming). Somewhere I saw a patch request for this, but it was
languishing, a year or more old. Or am I just totally missing
something?
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using
wxPython; the applet was big, like 14Mb as opposed to the 11Mb app that
py2app makes, if that's a clue.)
?
Charles Hartman
On Apr 25, 2005, at 1:24 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Apr 25, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Apr 24, 2005, at 12:20 AM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
doesn't display at all.
Because of the difference between standalone and in-the-IDE, I can't
figure out where the problem lies. Any clues very welcome. (I'm getting
very sick of unicode.)
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What, do without generator expressions?? I don't think so.
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On Apr 28, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Apr 27, 2005, at 11:59 PM, Dethe Elza wrote:
I'm using 2.4.1 and will be generally be running the latest stable
release. Using py2app makes it so convenie
[incidental gripe]
I don't understand why -- sometimes, not always -- it can take two
hours or more for a message I send to show up on the list. Just server
gaggage somewhere?
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ingIDE debugger, I get
default encoding is mac-roman
If I run it from the command line, I get
default encoding is mac-roman
If I use py2app to build a standalone, I get
default encoding is utf-8
How come?
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I don't know about that. If I'm building an Open Source app for Mac and
Windows (py2app and py2exe standalones), using Python 2.4.1, is there a
problem?
Charles Hartman
On Apr 28, 2005, at 10:04 PM, Roger Binns wrote:
Whichever one ships with new Macs (presumably 2.3.5).
Since I us
On May 3, 2005, at 7:10 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: Upgrading wxPython on a Tiger box will be harder than it was on Panther. Why?Not that I've tried yet; the first thing I tried when Tiger was through making itself at home was firing up Python (yup: 2.4.1) and importing wx (yup: 2.5.4.1). And that
a special set of libraries in Java) would
I be riding an endangered horse? Or do I need -- shudder -- to learn
Java?
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points to /usr/local/bin/pythonw, which is Python 2.4.1.
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1, and I'm not
having much luck with that either.)
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On May 19, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> On 19-mei-2005, at 15:51, Charles Hartman wrote:
>>
>> (I also want the Tiger-distributed Python 2.3.5 to be able to call
>> wxPython 2.6 rather than the seriously hobbled 2.5.3.1, and I'm not
>> having much
, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> On 19-mei-2005, at 16:09, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>> On May 19, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>
>>> On 19-mei-2005, at 15:51, Charles Hartman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (I also want the Tiger-distrib
I knew I was missing something obvious. Duh! Right, now everything works. Thanks for your patient help!Charles HartmanOn May 19, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: python2.3 correctly picks up the new version of wxPython. If you want to use wxPython 2.6 in python 2.3 and in python 2.4 you'll
On Jun 1, 2005, at 10:33 PM, Matthew S-H wrote:##Seperates words with punctuation into 2 seperate words.def puncSep(list): currentWord = -1 for word in list: currentWord = currentWord + 1 if word[-1] in punctuation:# list = list[:currentWord] + [word[0:-1], word[-1]]
The story seems to be that Apple's had an Intel version of OSX ready,
and kept up to date, for five years.
Which makes it *sound* as though the transition will be painless (for
developers as well as users). I'll believe that when I see it.
Charles Hartman
On Jun 6, 2005, at 6:14
I'd like to reintroduce myself to Emacs, so I went looking for "the
Mac version". There seem to be at least two, maybe more, even just
from Apple. Can anyone give me the thumbnail version of why I should
get one or another?
I was wondering about the ones in
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/
I see "Carbon Emacs", "Emacs on Aqua 8.0-rc3", "AquaMacs 0.9.1" . . .
Charles Hartman
On Jun 15, 2005, at 6:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Apple only offers one emacs, the
ng into
the 10.4 install disk and found a package for BSD, and ran that
installer and restarted. Still the same message! What in the world is
going on? Any enlightening much appreciated.
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The new version is very pretty, and very promising. Unfortunately, it
crashes. I started the steps in the Help tutorial -- created a
folder, made a new app with a frame -- and pressed the Run button,
and the program crashed. Tried again, same thing.
Charles Hartman
On Jun 17, 2005, at 12
Forgot to thank you for this run-down. Thanks! I guess it depends --
like too much else -- on what I want.
Charles Hartman
On Jun 15, 2005, at 10:44 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
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> Charles,
>
> There are indeed various versions
t; http://www.kevin-walzer.com
> http://www.smallbizmac.com.
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>
> Charles Hartman wrote:
> | The new version is very pretty, and very promising.
> Unfortunately, it
> | crashes. I started the steps in the Help tutorial -- created a
> folder,
> | m
versions of Py/wxPy.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kevin Walzer, PhD
> WordTech Software--Open Source Applications and Packages for OS X
> http://www.wordtech-software.com
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> Charles Hartman
If I understand the question, this is something that WingIDE does
just fine.
Charles Hartman
On Jun 18, 2005, at 4:30 AM, Werner F. Bruhin wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Kevin Walzer wrote:
>
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>> I don'
On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:50 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: I like the idea of Python and wxWidgets, but with the progress I'm making I'm tempted to move on. I know I'm setting myself up for smart retorts, but I'm being honest -- so far the install experience has been a disaster. If Python (and specific
I for one would be really, really interested in hearing from anyone
who's tried one or more of these. Any comparison shoppers at work out
there?
Charles Hartman
On Oct 22, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Tom Pollard wrote:
>
> A little googling turned up the following interesting-so
--and off-topic too:I never work in Windows except to build distros, which I haven't done for a while. I have an app that works find in OSX and that works fine from inside the WingIDE, but when I use setup.py py2exe to build it and InnoSetup to make an installer, and then try to run the result, I g
ov 17, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:--and off-topic too:I never work in Windows except to build distros, which I haven't done for a while. I have an app that works find in OSX and that works fine from inside the WingIDE, but when I use setup.py py2exe to build it and InnoSetup to make an
that I
could find that worked consistently and well.
Charles Hartman
On Nov 28, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Jan Erik Moström wrote:
> A somewhat similar question: is there a good debugger for python?
>
> Personally I prefer BBEdit as my editor but the thing I'm looking
> for is a
>
This same message keeps reappearing - ?
On Nov 28, 2005, at 3:45 AM, mark hill wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best IDE
> for Python on OS X. I've been informed that PythonIDE
> has ceased development and that the cold is pretty
> old.
>
> I don't want too many bells
Bless you guys -- this is a very helpful-looking project.
I'm ignorant, but I can write. If (for example) you want me to do any
editing, or something like that, I'd be delighted to help.
Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
[EMAIL PROTE
On Feb 6, 2006, at 5:00 AM, linda.s wrote:Python 2.3.5 instead of Python 2.4.2, very confused... Some onesuggested me to download MacPython. So I am thinking about removingthe Python 2.4.2 from my machine (still curious why it did notappear).You just want to change your PATH. If your built-from-scr
Hence, yet again, a plea for newbies everywhere:I continue to believe that it really, really shouldn't be necessary for people who want to write programs in Python for the Mac to do all this. Great to learn as much as possible, yes, always -- but to require people, just to get started, to learn abo
Oh well, "other platforms" -- if that means Linux of course you have to learn those same things, but you undoubtedly already know them. If it means Windows, I'd rather drive a truck, and I'm thinking particularly of potential users who feel the same way.There are a lot of programming environments o
I'm speculating that if the (rather small) gaps in the
unpack-it-and-run scenario were filled, there might be a useful
additonal user base for Python on the Mac. That's all.
Charles
On Feb 6, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
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Me & my big mouth. OK, I will take a serious look at the page, and
see whether I can construct something that at least gets to the point
of having blanks that someone with knowledge can fill in.
Charles
On Feb 6, 2006, at 3:15 PM, Christopher Barker wrote:
> Charles, if you want to help, her
OK, here's the first donkey -- please step up to the line & fire when ready.The project is to build a new front page for pythonmac.org that will serve as a welcome and introduction for anyone who wants to write Python programs on the Mac. (An assumption behind this is that the site will come up qui
This is a little separate from my previous message, though it speaks
to question #2 in that message.
Somebody who comes idly to the idea of programming in Python, and
finds the pythonmac page, will be happy if the result is an
afternoon's work that ends in a "hello world," possibly in a wind
I'm watching these responses & collecting views. (Obviously I'm also
watching for comments on my "New Page, first proposal" outlline.)
I'll propose changes to the page organization when things settle out
a little more.
Charles
Charles Hartman
Professor
On Feb 8, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Louis Pecora wrote:
>
> I agree with the 2 teams approach and hope I can add something to the
> non-pro/scientific user end. I would encourage Charles H. to get the
> new web page up sooner than later. That's not demanding he work and I
> watch, but I think that se
006, at 12:00 PM, Louis Pecora wrote:
> Charles Hartman wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Louis Pecora wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'd like to get some feedback on the organization I proposed
>> before I start trying to flesh anything out. The better the
&g
Thanks Chris. What's below is not a complete response, just a couple of specific, interim notes while I study up on the rest.Charles On Feb 8, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Christopher Barker wrote:also I hope a prominent one slapped onto the top of the MacPythonsite.)Do you mean Jack Jansen's site?Yes. I'm th
On Feb 8, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Dethe Elza wrote:Hmmm. If they don't know that Python is a programming language, why are they here? Familiarity with the terminal app and knowing how to save python as a text file are certainly prerequisites at this point though. I agree with the first point -- w
e. ("I had to learn sudo to do X,
and it's great,
and now I'm going to try . . .")
This is why people are afraid of Terminal, and the fear isn't
*totally* irrational.
Charles
On Feb 8, 2006, at 4:39 PM, Christopher Barker wrote:
> Charles Hartman wrote:
>> I
On Feb 8, 2006, at 6:01 PM, Louis Pecora wrote:
> Charles Hartman wrote:
>> I'm afraid that you're right about this, and I think it's the
>> biggest obstacle to the project of getting (non-Unix) Mac users
>> interested in Python when they go looking for
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