I like most do not like all that DarwinPorts and Fink bring in when
you install them. So, I have been developing my own scripts as
well. Currently, I use a model for the script based on the actions
that DarwinPorts does when it installs packages, but using bash
scripts rather than tcl whi
On Dec 2, 2004, at 12:50 PM, David Reed wrote:
On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:11 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:00, Samuel M.Smith wrote:
Would anyone care to post step by step instructions for building a
framework version of Python 2.4
that will peacefully cohabitate with the built in OS X
bout an easy to install DB + Python
module? Bob, anything in your PackMan database, maybe?
The one in my PackMan database may be too old.. building bsddb3 from
source is probably a good idea.
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On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:55, Samuel M. Smith wrote:
On Dec 2, 2004, at 08:11, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:00, Samuel M.Smith wrote:
Would anyone care to post step by step instructions for building a
framework version of Python 2.4
that will peacefully cohabitate with the built in OS X
preflight
script that checks for OS X 10.3.x, and does the patch.
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rder isn't going to
make a lick of difference.
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d directory - I don't have any
objc, AppKit or other directories that I think I'm supposed to be
getting.
Any pointers?
vic
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:58:38 -0500, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
The py2app-branch of PyObjC has been merged to trunk, and development
will
ource
tree:
% python setup.py bdist_mpkg --open
If that doesn't work, I'm not sure what to tell you, because it works
just fine on three computers here (one OS X 10.2 and two OS X 10.3)
with standard-enough configurations.
-bob
On Dec 4, 2004, at 11:45, Bob Ippolito wrote:
What version
crap.
Yeah. It does work fine on a normal setup :)
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On Dec 5, 2004, at 2:21 PM, Robert Valsjö wrote:
On 2004-12-02, at 16.11, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:00, Samuel M.Smith wrote:
Would anyone care to post step by step instructions for building a
framework version of Python 2.4
that will peacefully cohabitate with the built in OS X
ython 2.4. That's probably what you actually want, anyway.
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reinstall all third part modules
There is a way to use old modules with python2.4 without reinstall all?
(i have all modulen in (Library/Python/2.3)
No! You must reinstall all third party modules that have compiled
extensions. Python 2.3 and Python 2.4 DO NOT have binary compa
nGL has a stupid way of finding its
version that prevents it from being easily bundled)
- PyOpenGL example
- py2applet command line tool (performs the same function as the GUI
app)
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#x27;t bother to test the upgrade scenario when cutting the
release, so I didn't think to add these additional steps in the
preflight script.
Future upgrades won't have this problem, as I don't see a need to move
things around like this again anytime soon :)
-bob
On Dec 7, 2004, a
er.. missed one:
rm -rf /Library/Python/2.3/bdist_mpkg
On Dec 7, 2004, at 4:18 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
I did some reorganization of the packages (I put them in a .pth'ed
directory). It does clean out some of the old py2app, but fails to
clean out macholib and altgraph.
If you do this, th
rg/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2004-November/012077.html
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le from
/usr/bin/pythonw. Of course, it won't be available from Python 2.4.0
unless you compile and install such a version of wxPython.
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On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:13 PM, Christian Meesters wrote:
On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Christian Meesters wrote:
On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:06 AM, Robert Valsjö wrote:
How to upgrade Apples python installation in Mac OS X 10.3 from
python 2.3 to 2.4
s
Can anybody give me a hint on what to do here?
Yeah, do what it says:
ranlib ../waste/Static\ Libraries/libWASTE.a
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Darwinports isn't going to do anything for you without Xcode installed either! :)
On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:08 PM, john lichtenstein wrote:
Due to a combination of bad luck (dropping laptop onto stone) and good luck (new job) I just got a clean machine. I installed in order X11 and XCode from Apple,
ython 2.4.1 and Python 2.3.5.
These threads might also be of interest:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2004-November/012192.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2004-December/012237.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2004-December/012275.html
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copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>
You also need to set the PATH from the shell prompt, or start a new
terminal window. Editing .bashrc doesn't do anything to a currently
running bash process.
-bob
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Date: December 10, 2004 1:29:53 CST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: How-To upgrade Apples python
installation in Mac OS X 10.3 from python 2.3 to 2.4
talk
about what I know best and am most interested in :)
My slides, proposal, slide-creation-scripts, and notes taken during my
presentation by the audience last year are available here:
http://svn.red-bean.com/bob/pycon/2004/trunk/
I will likely break my PyObjC talk it into two separate 30 minute
for more posts by me on this issue.
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On Dec 16, 2004, at 2:14 PM, has wrote:
Bob wrote:
[py2app] still does the dependency scan for third party python code
and dependent libraries/frameworks. If you want to depend on third
party stuff in site-packages, too bad, you'll have to exclude them
all individually and use --site-pac
On Dec 16, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
The way to tell it to include nothing is to build an alias bundle
(-A), which is for development only and doesn't create something
suitable for redistribution.
Can you tell us more about what an Alias bundle is? Is like th
On Dec 16, 2004, at 2:40 PM, has wrote:
Bob wrote:
[py2app] still does the dependency scan for third party python code
and dependent libraries/frameworks. If you want to depend on third
party stuff in site-packages, too bad, you'll have to exclude them
all individually and use --site-pac
On Dec 16, 2004, at 3:07 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
Rare enough that I can't justify writing the code and adding yet
another option.
That, of course, is your judgment. However, I'm not sure it's a rare
as you think. I, for one, want to be able to distribute apps
On Dec 17, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
I originally came down on Has' side of this debate, but now think Bob
has made the right choices, so I thought I'd add a couple comments.
First, I'm a little unclear on what exactly Has wants. Could you
clarify?
I think he
On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:29 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:00 PM, has wrote:
On a separate issue, I've noticed the semi-standalone option appears
to be buggy in 0.1.6. When I set it to true, py2app correctly omits
standard modules and extensions from Resources/Python, but is
particular library, i've installed FFTW, F2PY though
here is the log :
[etc]
Scipy also requires a FORTRAN compiler. If you have Fink, install the
package g77. Otherwise, install g77 from http://hpc.sf.net .
It's also called g77 in darwin
On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:47 AM, has wrote:
One for Bob really, but I'm trying to figure out how to build a
non-standalone app using py2app. This was easy (albeit clumsy) with
bundlebuilder - just set both 'standalone' and 'semi-standalone'
options to False. I see a &#
On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:00 PM, has wrote:
Bob wrote:
Because I don't care about your use case. It's rare and is very
often not what people want.
How rare?
Rare enough that I can't justify writing the code and adding yet
another option.
If you don't need a redistributable a
mission denied error looks like something is missing a +x and/or the
"idle" shell script is not correct
For what it's worth, I haven't had any such problems with Darwinports
and its Python... however, VPython isn't available from Darwinports at
this time, so it's
, why
solve a problem you don't have?
... and the DESTROOT thing isn't really relevant to the problems you
brought up, anyway. This particular limitation only matters if you are
building a framework Python, and neither Fink nor Darwinports currently
provide such a build.
-bob
run on some systems:
Actually, using #!/usr/bin/env %(sys.executable_path) *will* cause it
to fail to run in more cases than it will not. I'll take your patch
for adding a junk extension, but not this one.
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th it apart from
the app. Especially if it's a pickle file. It will be pretty buried,
anyway.
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stall? build won't install
anything.
FWIW, Twisted should run without ANY C extensions or ANY compilation.
You can just point sys.path to /code/Twisted-1.3.0 and it will have a
working twisted package.
Also, the cfreactor in 1.3.0 is broken for PyObjC 1.1 and late
On Dec 21, 2004, at 5:42 PM, has wrote:
Chris Barker wrote:
I originally came down on Has' side of this debate, but now think Bob
has made the right choices, so I thought I'd add a couple comments.
First, I'm a little unclear on what exactly Has wants. Could you
clarify?
Freedom,
On Dec 21, 2004, at 6:57 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:
On Dec 21, 2004, at 3:32 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 21, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
(I also posted this to wxusers because it's sort of cross-platform
-- sorry if you're seeing it again.)
With an earlier app I
ts are Python module identifiers, not path
names. Using a relative path name, anything that has a slash in it, or
anything that starts with a dot or has more than one dot in succession,
is of course an error because those are invalid Python module
identifiers.
from distutils.core im
System`__.
.. __:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/
BPFileSystem/index.html
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On Dec 22, 2004, at 6:49, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 21-dec-2004, at 23:42, has wrote:
Chris Barker wrote:
I originally came down on Has' side of this debate, but now think Bob
has made the right choices, so I thought I'd add a couple comments.
First, I'm a little unclear on what ex
s right enough. Typically DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH is a terrible,
awful, evil thing to do, but that's how Qt works.
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icns format. What I would've liked is Windows XP
.ico writing support, but I couldn't find that (or sufficient docs to
implement it) *anywhere* and I ended up using a commercial package on
Win32 to do it in batch.
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On Dec 22, 2004, at 7:45 PM, whamoo wrote:
On 23/dic/04, at 01:29, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 22, 2004, at 7:09 PM, whamoo wrote:
I've read that new beta of the Pil now add support for icns file
format, nice, but in the code of the plugin i read that there is
only the read support, so, i c
e py2app distribution.. so if someone were so inclined,
they could soup up py2exe, cx_Freeze, etc. leveraging this work. I
might do this myself at some point, but not soon. Maybe I'll try and
PEP it into Python 2.5.
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Reinstall Xcode and/or make sure you aren't using Fink or something
which may have installed an alternate compiler (make sure "which cc"
and "which gcc" point to /usr/bin).
On Dec 23, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Kevin Dangoor wrote:
Err, while this might be enough info for someone to go on, I just
reali
y evil.
You can also do that with py2applet. It doesn't get much simpler than
dragging your script plus resource files, optional icon and Info.plist
onto py2applet and having an application bundle pop out in the same
directory as the script. If the application can be packaged with a
trivial setup.py (and most can), it just works.
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make it necessary to put some kind of editor turd in the
file like you have to do for text encoding (because that would work for
ctypes dependencies too). That will likely happen at the same time
PyObjC grows a smarter wrapper-generator that won't need to create
extension modules as often (probably a PyObjC 1.3 feature).
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m pretty sure I pointed this out several
times. There is no reason to believe they will screw it up between
then (WWDC) and now :)
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n 2.3.x installed and some modules built and also probably for
other Portfiles. I don't know/care about Fink. This can be fixed on
their own schedules by their own people once the patch is in 2.3.5 (if
they decide to adopt a framework build).
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Basically it should be an
installer .pkg that simply tosses a single file to a specific place,
replacing what was there. There is no need to revert to the original
version of this file because that one is half-broken to begin with.
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On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:13 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 24-dec-04, at 1:01, Bob Ippolito wrote:
+0 for any patches to 2.3.x explicitly for Fink or Darwinports.
Darwinports uses -flat_namespace for 2.3.x,
That's lame. Do you know why they do that?
Legacy from 10.1.x or 10.2.x support, pro
On Dec 24, 2004, at 6:19 AM, Michael Hudson wrote:
Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
On Dec 23, 2004, at 6:28 PM, Michael Hudson wrote:
Jack Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Second question: I think the solution to peaceful coexistence is
that
all Pythons adopt the solution
On Dec 26, 2004, at 10:46 AM, has wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
The goal for 0.2.0, which I think has already been achieved (sans
documentation), was to make it better than the alternatives for any
platform.
When do you think we'll start seeing some formal documentation for
py2app?
Write som
y report "false positives" for people who have modified the
Makefile in a similar but weaker or even mildly incorrect manner, but
would still benefit from having the "officially patched" version.
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ider that a working title. I may call it "The Installer that
makes
Apple-Installed Python on 10.3 build correct extension modules even
after installing
newer framework builds of Python".
But suggestions for shorter names are welcome...
But 10.3 is Panther, not Jag
On Dec 27, 2004, at 8:08 AM, Jack Jansen wrote:
Ok, Bob, you win:-)
I've created an installer package that replaces the Makefile after a
simple test that you're actually running 10.3 and have that Makefile
in the right place (i.e. didn't mess too much with your installation).
On Dec 27, 2004, at 11:47 AM, Michael Hudson wrote:
On 27 Dec 2004, at 16:38, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 27, 2004, at 11:31 AM, Michael Hudson wrote:
But 10.3 is Panther, not Jaguar, right?
Yes.
That was rhetorical :)
I'm not being completely thick, am I? The file should surely be
c
On Dec 27, 2004, at 11:59 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 27-dec-04, at 17:50, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 27, 2004, at 11:47 AM, Michael Hudson wrote:
On 27 Dec 2004, at 16:38, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 27, 2004, at 11:31 AM, Michael Hudson wrote:
But 10.3 is Panther, not Jaguar, right?
Yes.
That
On Dec 27, 2004, at 12:09 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 27-dec-04, at 17:44, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 27, 2004, at 8:08 AM, Jack Jansen wrote:
Ok, Bob, you win:-)
I've created an installer package that replaces the Makefile after a
simple test that you're actually running 10.3 and
On Dec 27, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
That doesn't fix the multiple versions problem.
This is a big issue that the core Pythonistas don't seem to be
interested in addressing. It's odd, because I think it's a no-brainer
that python modules need
On Dec 27, 2004, at 2:53 PM, Jack Jansen wrote:
On 27-dec-04, at 17:44, Bob Ippolito wrote:
You can find the package at
<http://www.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/JaguarPythonFix.dmg>.
The Makefile is missing the MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.3 before the
$(CC) .. which means that for most peop
backward compatible"
Which is also kind of what Bob I. said about PyObjC.
Personally I think the wx versioning mechanism is bad. It should've
just been done with module names. Importing wx directly could
reference the last version that was installed, and wx_2_4 could
reference some speci
xversion can be used from setup.py).
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s again for the cool tool
I have no idea. I'm not sure what version you are using, and svn trunk
doesn't reference a "_py_suffixes" anywhere from any file. Try
upgrading to svn trunk or wait for an 0.1.7 release later this week.
-bob
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you know if compiled ptl is compatible with py2exe?
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have been. That is likely to make it significantly harder, and
CodeWarrior will probably be necessary in order to compile this Python
and its extensions. I'm not sure if anyone aside from Jack and Just
even remember how to do that.. I sure don't :)
-bob
_
es)
with other apps I've tried to build with py2app, so I'm not sure what
to do.
Where the heck does this XML module come from anyway? It's not in the
standard library or anything else I've ever used.
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stepped out of the GNU world & into
the old.
Qt is dual-licensed software. For X11 and Mac OS X, it is available
under the terms of the QPL.
You might want to look at RegExPlor
<http://python.net/~gherman/RegexPlor.html>, which does more or less
the same thing but is PyObjC ba
On Dec 28, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Kevin Dangoor wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 28, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Dangoor wrote:
Kevin Dangoor wrote:
I don't see _py_suffixes defined anywhere...
One more bit of relevant info... I just noticed that the file in
question was a ".ptl" fil
ker + ld_args)
"linker" is the variable expanded LDSHARED (or whatever comes out of
sysconfig.customize_compiler).
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he generic unix code.
Yes, not linking to CoreFoundation will cause problems, because
*something* will inevitably link to CF. For example, the py2app
bootstrap will link to CF. A bunch of the extension modules in
MacPython also independently link to CF-using fr
been discussed A LOT on this
list, most recently
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2004-December/
thread.html#12403>.
Your "phantom framework" problem is because you didn't clobber the
build directory for numarray. It cached the incorrectly bui
On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:23 AM, Jack Jansen wrote:
On 29-dec-04, at 4:35, Bob Ippolito wrote:
This is the wrong fix. Distutils is dumber than you think. This
patch just breaks C++ compilation in a different way. The correct
solution is a patch to distutils of some kind.
from distutils
On Dec 29, 2004, at 5:32 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 29-dec-04, at 11:23, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 29, 2004, at 4:50 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 28-dec-04, at 23:11, Brett C. wrote:
I am planning to attempt to fix the _locale module (which 'locale'
itself imports and uses) for OS
On Dec 29, 2004, at 6:06 AM, Michael Hudson wrote:
Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Alternatively, we could just punt on the issue and say "you need to
use 10.X in order to have a working locale module", where 10.X is the
version that Apple fixes CF. X is obviously great
in what it does in terms of
packaging, but it's also more complex. That is, if there's an error,
it's very hard--at least for me--to debug. The build process dies. I
tested this yesterday with both py2app and py2applet with Eric3, an
application I have successfully with BuildApplet. Wi
work if all dependencies are expected to
already be installed. You probably haven't received bug reports
because you have an audience of developers who are used to and willing
to install all these dependencies. Pointing them all out probably
helps, too.
-bob
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Bob Ippolito wrote:
| I said that py2app's alias mode is non-portable. BuildApplet creates
| portable applications that work if all dependencies are expected to
| already be installed.
Hmmm. That's a good argument to retain BuildApplet in
ng useful, but at least it's broken even with the reduced core
dependencies in Python 2.4.
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On Dec 29, 2004, at 6:25 PM, Jack Jansen wrote:
On 29-dec-04, at 11:40, Bob Ippolito wrote:
[Bob notes that my PantherPythonFix installer will break C++
compilation because distutils simply replaces the first component of
LDSHARED with "c++"]
Any suggestions as to what to d
ears, what have you) into the
app bundle. Any external libraries such as wxPython have to be
installed
separately by the end user.
You can just as easily do this with app bundles built by py2app.
Yeah, if your main script doesn't have any detected dependencies.. or
they're explic
"g++ MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.3 gcc..." depending on
whether "env" was used or not.
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On Dec 30, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 30-dec-04, at 18:49, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 30, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Jack Jansen wrote:
On 30-dec-04, at 10:02, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
In the quick-and-dirty-hacks category: you could write two simple
shell-scripts that start the compiler
n of
altgraph (and whatever else) it needs, and not screw up an exiting
installation that other folk's code might be depending on.
The packages altgraph (my fork of "graphlib"), modulegraph, bdist_mpkg,
macholib, and py2app are all exclusively maintained by me, and are only
rele
On Dec 30, 2004, at 7:31 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
py2app is not a package, it's just a directory pointed to by a pth.
but couldn't be? I why isn't it in site-packages anyway? Though I
imagine you have a good reason, I'd like to know what it is. The whole
This announcement is available in HTML at:
http://bob.pythonmac.org/archives/2004/12/30/ann-py2app-017/
`py2app`_ is the bundlebuilder replacement we've all been waiting for.
It is implemented as a distutils command, similar to `py2exe`_, that
builds Mac OS X applications from Python scripts,
the symbol table), but I'm not
going to write such a monstrosity any time soon unless someone is
willing to pay me a lot to do it. I simply just don't have a need for
it, and if I did, I would likely just write a custom C/C++ stub.
-bob
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s) then I'm going to have some serious problems with this fix.
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completion, I'm not sure.
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ot going to say any more about that.
I'm also curious how pyject works with this (if its related at all).
Can you give an example of how pyject would be used?
pyject <http://svn.red-bean.com/bob/pyject/trunk/> works with this by
starting a new thread in an arbitrary pid that loads som
On Jan 2, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Dethe Elza wrote:
pyject <http://svn.red-bean.com/bob/pyject/trunk/> works with this by
starting a new thread in an arbitrary pid that loads some plugin
using mach_inject. The intended use is to load a py2app-built
plugin, which will run whatever module leve
On Jan 2, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Jack Jansen wrote:
On 2-jan-05, at 4:40, Bob Ippolito wrote:
+SCRIPT="""#!/bin/sh
+export MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.3
+exec %s "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
This script should check to see if MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET is
already set. If
away by Mac OS X 10.4 or some later
release.
This URL points to the sf bug and Darwin 7.7's realloc(...)
implementation:
http://bob.pythonmac.org/archives/2005/01/01/realloc-doesnt/
-bob
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On Jan 3, 2005, at 12:13 AM, Tim Peters wrote:
[Bob Ippolito]
Quite a few notable places in the Python sources expect realloc(...)
to
relinquish some memory if the requested size is smaller than the
currently allocated size.
I don't know what "relinquish some memory" means. If it
On Jan 3, 2005, at 2:16 AM, Tim Peters wrote:
[Bob Ippolito]
...
Your expectation is not correct for Darwin's memory allocation scheme.
It seems that Darwin creates allocations of immutable size. The only
way ANY part of an allocation will ever be used by ANYTHING else is if
free() is called
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